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CxMorgado
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#21 Posted on

    Originally posted by Travis
    Bradshaw's probably the worst. He's been tag champ twice and constantly on TV. What dues has he ever paid? HE'S BEEN ONE OF VINCE'S GUYS FOREVER and never sacrificed his body or put forth any extrodinary effort to get himself or the product over. He's been phoning it in since the early 90's and now he's a "locker room leader". (hazing general)

    What a crock. "Paying your dues" in the WWF probably refers to taking closed doors meetings with Pat Patterson and Steve Lombardi.



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#22 Posted on
Do you mean because he's been working for Vince for a while that constitutes paying dues, or do you mean the part about Patterson? ;-)



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CxMorgado
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#23 Posted on
Hahahaha ok that made me laugh... but I do mean the fact that Bradshaw has been there forever has something to do with his alleged position backstage.
Vince did see the majority of his major stars jump ship to WCW on him in the name of money, so I'm sure anyone who stuck with him through thick and thin is considered to have paid their dues backstage(see Holly, Bob and Taker, Under).



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#24 Posted on

    Originally posted by CxMorgado
    Hahahaha ok that made me laugh... but I do mean the fact that Bradshaw has been there forever has something to do with his alleged position backstage.
    Vince did see the majority of his major stars jump ship to WCW on him in the name of money, so I'm sure anyone who stuck with him through thick and thin is considered to have paid their dues backstage(see Holly, Bob and Taker, Under).



At least Taker and Holly have worked hard and sacrificed their bodies (Taker usta bump, really he did). Bradshaw meanwhile has spent all of his time in the WWF in tag teams and bumping and selling for no one like he was a main eventer. Meanwhile a guy like Booker T has to "earn his spot".

And don't even get me started on the hazing...



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I think the "Paying Dues" thought is something that lost it's meaning a long time ago. That term, "Paying Dues," is nothing more than a political maneuver by certain wrestlers to keep other wrestlers from taking money out of their pockets. If being nothing more than a piece of bottom-rung shmuck who only wrestles on Jakked/Metal and loses to Perry Saturn was the big money maker... I am betting that there would be as much positioning over that, as there is at being top of the card.

Vince McMahon's reasoning about not taking what a wrestler has done elsewhere is (a) A load of crap and (b) A totally idiotic thing to do. First off, he takes things into consideration when he feels like it. The nWo is a perfect example of this. But to say he doesn't do this would be a lie. Somebody mentioned Raven, Jericho, and RVD earlier in the thread as people McMahon overlooked (for whatever reason) what they did elsewhere. McMahon, for some reason, just doesn't want to accept the fact that there are other people out there who know how to develop talent beside him.

A great example (I think) of this is looking at Major League Baseball. Being a big Red Sox fan, I had to sit through and watch the Sox use below-average players nearly every day (example: Jose Offerman) because Dan Duquette payed too much for him. Then there were guys that had good potential but because he was politically out of favor with management he was hung out to dry (Rico Brogna). And how can you forget about the bad-apple that gets away with murder because he's a big salary guy (Carl Everett). The Red Sox fell apart because of these problems and it's caused most of the guys responsible for that, their jobs (Duquette, Jimy Williams, Joe Kerrigan). You can parallel the Red Sox woes with problems in the WWF right now, and the reasons are exactly the same. The excuses might even be the same (Offerman is in great shape this season; The Big Show has dropped 50 pounds).

To compare this topic to Baseball one more time; does anybody think that Jason Giambi had to proove himself this pre-season to earn his spot at 1B with the Yankees? I seriously doubt it. So why should somebody who has proven he can make an audience interested in his matches and have those intangibles that are always talked about by the WWF Officials in any interview they do be overlooked just because they weren't done in a WWF Ring?
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#26 Posted on
I think what Vince has done in the past isn't so much holding guys back to start, its just a case of "We'll see what we can do"

Jericho came into the WWF with years of experience behind him, a huge fan following (I recall a 7 point rating for his initial interview) and some killer mic work.

He however did NOT become Champ the next week. I don't think Vince made him "Pay dues", I think it was a case of they tried something, and maybe it didn't work out as well as it should have and killed some heat.

Part of the problem that seems to have been ignored on this thread is the fact that the WWF has a large roster with lots of talented guys. A lot of Talent is going to waste so when someone comes in, he's really got to set himself apart to move up.(Plus the top guys tend to run at the mouth and eat up a lot of TV time)

Jericho probably needed at least a few weeks to get accustomed to WWF style (After having worked for years in WCW, and ECW and Japan prior to that).
Angle had the advantage of being able to train in WWF style (Having no Pro Wrestling influences to unlearn) and go right in.

I don't think its so much a case of Paying Dues, as it is, unless you can really stand out from the rest right away, then you gotta just wait and hope you get a shot.



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