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-(PRE-SHOW) Sheamus d. Damien Sandow with the Brogue Kick
-Curtis Axel d. The Miz & Wade Barrett to win the Intercontinental Championship after Axel got the pin off Miz's figure-4 on Barrett
-AJ d. Kaitlyn to win the Divas Championship with the Black Widow
-Dean Ambrose d. Kane by countout to retain the United States Championship
-Alberto Del Rio d. Dolph Ziggler to win the World Heavyweight Championship with the superkick. Double Turn City!
-CM Punk d. Chris Jericho with double GTS's
-The Shield (Seth Rollins & Roman Reigns) d. RK-No after Seth Rollins pinned Bryan with the curb stomp after face miscommunication
-John Cena d. Ryback in a Three Stages of Hell match to retain the WWE Championship
*Lumberjack: Ryback d. John Cena with the Shell Shock
*Tables: John Cena d. Ryback with the Attitude Adjustment
*Ambulance: John Cena d. Ryback with the Attitude Adjustment

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Yeah, yeah, let's get to it.

SHEAMUS v. DAMIEN SANDOW
Walked into this one late and I came in time to watch Sheamus hit the ten-count chest strikes...to HEEL heat! Oh, it's definitely going to be one of THESE crowds, folks! Sheamus wants the Irish Missile, but gets crotched. Sandow hits the neckbreaker off the top rope for 2. Sandow pounds away and nearly gets picked up for White Noise, but Sandow reverses it into the Terminus! It gets 2! Come on, guys! It's WAY too early to start with that stuff! Sheamus comes back with THREE Irish Curses to MORE heel heat! Brogue Kick finishes for Sheamus.

WINNER: Sheamus - I didn't see enough to evaluate this one properly.

Now let's move into the show, proper.

WWE - THEN, NOW, FOREVER

The opening video package looks at the history of Chicago.

We are LIVE from Chicago! Your hosts are Michael Cole, Jerry Lawler, and JBL!

THE MIZ v. CURTIS AXEL (w/PAUL HEYMAN) v. WADE BARRETT: INTERCONTINENTAL CHAMPIONSHIP TRIPLE THREAT MATCH
Miz enters to major heel heat. Cole talks up all of Axel's victories and JBL has to tell us to erase all the asterisks, which means all of those wins mean jack.

Everyone circles each other to start before Miz hammers on the heels. The Chicago crowd does not appreciate his efforts. Axel gets dumped and a flapjack gets 2 for Miz. Heyman runs distraction, allowing Barrett to attack from behind. Crowd is so enthralled, they chant "ECW"! Barrett's pumphandle slam on Axel leads to a pin broken up by Miz. Miz disposes of Axel, but Barrett wipes him out with 2. Barrett tosses Miz on the turnbuckle for 2, as Axel takes a breather with Heyman. This is going to be another one of those matches where Axel doesn't do anything and winds up winning anyway, isn't it? Barrett tries to wipe out Axel with a running boot, but gets crotched. Miz tries the neckbreaker/backbreaker combo, but Axel counters with a NICE dropkick! Axel hits the Perfect snapmare for 2. Axel now moves to the heat segment, as this match dies a slow death. Miz comes back to heel heat, but Axel hits a back suplex for 2. Barrett rushes back in and hammers away on Axel. Barrett's corner clothesline is cut off by Miz, making the babyface comeback. Miz sets up a double straddling clothesline and calls out to the crowd, getting boos! Barrett tries for the back kick, but Miz catches it and tries for the shitty figure-4! That's countered with the Winds of Change for 2. Barrett wants Wasteland on Axel, but it's countered with the PerfectPlex to a pop! It gets 2, as Miz breaks up the pin! Axel's back suplex on Miz is countered with the Skull-Crushing Finale! Barrett dumps Miz and tries to steal the pin, but Miz pulls Barrett out. Miz tries for the pin again, but only gets 2 by the time he gets there. Miz hits the running seated dropkick and calls for the shitty figure-4, to heel heat. He gets shoved into Barrett! Axel rushes Miz and gets backdropped out and Miz gets the shitty figure-4 on Barrett. Axel suddenly rushes in and covers Barrett for the pin and the title at 10 minutes!

WINNER AND NEW CHAMPION: Curtis Axel - The blowjob push continues for Axel. I can only wonder how long it'll be before the writers tire of him.

Here's a video package for Mark Henry. He returns tomorrow night on Raw.

Announcers show a replay of what we just saw five minutes, in case you were watching some other PPV. That takes us backstage to Paul Heyman and Axel celebrating in the back. They're interrupted by Triple H, in full suit and tie, who stares him down. Vince McMahon suddenly enters the picture and congratulates Axel and shakes Heyman's hand. Didn't Vince want to murder Heyman on TV a few weeks ago? No? We're just going to forget all about that? We're pretending that didn't happen? Ok, whatever.

KAITLYN v. AJ LEE (w/BIG E LANGSTON): DIVAS CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
Here's a recap of the insipid Kaitlyn/AJ feud.

Kaitlyn starts destroying AJ to start, even throwing her over the Spanish announce table. AJ's able to sucker Kaitlyn into a chase around the ring and takes her down. Wouldn't you know that the one time the Divas actually have some motivation for a half-decent feud and the announce team is completely dismissing it as a women's feud and is stopping just short of saying that they're both on the rag. This is insulting. Kaitlyn comes back with a dropkick, as the announce team CONITNUES to give zero shits about this match. AJ's able to get a crucifix for 2 and she tries to clamp on the Black Widow. Kaitlyn breaks it and pulls AJ's belt off, as she clamps onto the apron! AJ grabs her belt and whacks Kaitlyn, as the ref was fixing the apron. It gets 2. AJ goes up top, but the top-rope crossbody is caught! Kaitlyn tries to swing her into a uranage, but AJ grabs the Black Widow! Kaitlyn powers out into a backbreaker and looks to finish with the spear! But Kaitlyn stops to slowly blow AJ a kiss, so the spear only gets 2! Corner charge eats ring post, as AJ lays on the top rope. Black Widow on again and Kaitlyn can't power out this time, as she taps out at the 10-minute mark!

WINNER AND NEW CHAMPION: AJ Lee - Best Divas match of the year, by a mile. But holy hell, did the commentary do their damndest to try and kill this one.

Post-match, the camera stops on Kaitlyn. The crowd is so sympathetic, they chant "You tapped out!" Layla comes out to try and console Kaitlyn. Thanks for showing up, Layla!

Here's a video package for Money in the Bank in July.

We go to the booth with Josh Matthews breaking down the action with Big Show, Cody Rhodes, and R-Truth. You're seriously telling me the creative team had NOTHING for ANY of these guys? God, I hate this company sometimes.

Let's waste some more time with a Wyatt Family vignette. Look, I love this idea as much as the next guy, but this is a PPV! People are paying MONEY to watch this show!

KANE v. DEAN AMBROSE: UNITED STATES CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
Ambrose enters through the crowd with The Shield, but once again, leaves them behind.

Kane muscles Ambrose around to start. We go to a VERY fast chinlock. Kane continues to power Ambrose around. Kane tries for the seated dropkick, but Ambrose beats him to it. Ambrose starts working over Kane and gives us his wacky facials. Ambrose's neckbreaker is reversed to a powerslam. Kane tries for the top-rope clothesline, but Ambrose crotches him. Kane headbutts him down, but misses the top-rope clothesline. Second-rope flying elbow gets 2. We hit the headlock and shift to a chinlock. Ambrose wants a fistdrop, but Kane catches him with an uppercut. Kane gets the GOOZLE, but Ambrose elbows out of it. Kane's able to get the seated dropkick. Ambrose wants a sunset flip, but gets brought up the hard way. Ambrose is able to catch Kane coming in, though. Ambrose wants the OLD-SCHOOL ROPEWALK! AWESOME! Kane isn't amused by this and brings him down before making the babyface comeback. We shift to the outside, where Ambrose greets Kane with a slap to the face, so Kane wipes him out with an uppercut. Kane tries to clear off some furniture, but Ambrose is able to wipe him out with a DDT on the floor and he simply rolls back in for the countout win at about 8 minutes.

WINNER BY COR: Dean Ambrose - The term "clash of styles" once again comes to mind. This was a mess.

Here's a video package for...HOLY SHIT, IT'S ROB VAN DAM!!! That's followed with an announcement that Van Dam will return at Money in the Bank! Holy crap, that's huge! I mean, Van Dam's a shell of his former self, but bringing him back for that Philly crowd is going to be tremendous!

Here's a recap of Sheamus beating Damien Sandow during the kickoff show.

ALBERTO DEL RIO (w/RICARDO RODRIGUEZ) v. DOLPH ZIGGLER (w/AJ LEE & BIG E LANGSTON): WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
As you might expect, Del Rio gets heel heat, while Dolph gets a mega face pop. We get a recap of Dolph's title win a few months ago. Lilian Garcia gives the championship intros.

HUGE "Let's go, Ziggler" chant to start! Dolph stalls to start. And at this point, I needed to take a call, so I wound up missing the start of this match.

Let's cut back in with Dolph grabbing the Sleeper Hold! In my time away, Langston got ejected. Del Rio runs Dolph into the turnbuckle and keeps him down with a soccer kick. Del Rio works over the back and hits the backcracker. Del Rio wants the jujigatame, but Dolph reverses to the neckbreaker for 2. Crowd chants for Dolph again. The ref is asking Dolph if he wants to keep going, as they're playing up the concussion. Del Rio puts Dolph up top and he hits an INVERTED SUPERPLEX for 2! The ref checks on Dolph again, who slid to the outside, and Del Rio greets Dolph with a kick to the head! Dolph's out and the ringside doctor's checking up on him! Dolph's pushing the doctor aside, as AJ begs him to stop. Del Rio swoops in with a baseball slide! Everyone's begging Del Rio to stop, except for Ricardo, who yells out that Dolph's fine! Are we doing a double turn? Del Rio measures Dolph and nails an enziguiri! It gets 2! Del Rio complains to the ref. Holy hell, they ARE doing a double turn! Del Rio picks up Dolph, but Dolph suddenly hits the Zig Zag! He can't cover, though! Del Rio has finally had enough of this and finishes with the superkick for the pin and the title.

WINNER AND NEW CHAMPION: Alberto Del Rio - Well, I didn't expect them to go all-in with the double turn and completely give up on Del Rio's face turn, which some people would argue was ill-advised in the first place.

Post-match, ADR celebrates on the ramp and exits. Dolph slides out of the ring to a thunderous "Ziggler" chant, as he collapses to the ground.

Don't Try (recapping) This At Home!

We go up to Josh Matthews and the Booth of Guys That Creative Had Nothing For Tonight. They're stopped short when Del Rio and Ricardo come back out. Del Rio grabs the mic and delivers an insincere babyface promo, asking the crowd to celebrate the new champion. Del Rio delivers a cocky heel promo, just to completely spell out the new dynamic, in case anyone didn't get it.

Here's a video package for Punk/Jericho.

CHRIS JERICHO v. CM PUNK (w/PAUL HEYMAN)
Jericho, as you might expect, is booed mercilessly by the Chicago crowd. The crowd chants LOUDLY for CM Punk before the music hits to a HUUUUUUGE pop! And Punk...actually comes out! Well, I'll be dipped. I guess we ARE having a match!

Big "CM Punk" chant fills the arena, as Punk reveals his Blackhawks-colored tights. Wrestling sequence ends in a standoff. Second wrestling sequence is won by Punk. Jericho gets a shoulderblock to heel heat, as he can't help but smile at the dynamic. Punk hits a dropkick and grabs a headlock. Chop exchange is won by Jericho. Jericho clotheslines Punk over and follows with a baseball slide. Punk comes back in with a Savage Axehandle for 2 and grabs an armbar. Jericho tries to come back, but falls prey to the armbar again. Jericho comes off the top and tries to rally the crowd to no avail. Jericho hits the bulldog, but Punk comes right back with the swinging neckbreaker for 2. Punk hits the corner knee, but Jericho pushes off the bulldog attempt and hits the Lionsault for 2! Jericho tries to come in and nearly eats the GTS, but Jericho reverses into the Walls of Jericho! It's the crab version, so Punk counters with the guillotine choke! Now Punk grabs the Anaconda Vise, but Jericho's able to reach the ropes. Punk wants to finish with the GTS, but it's countered into the Walls again! Heyman tries to run interference, but it backfires! Jericho hits the Codebreaker! It gets 2! Punk makes the "babyface" comeback. Savage Elbow hits! GTS hits! IT GETS 2! Punk wants another one, but Jericho escapes. Codebreaker is blocked and Punk clotheslines Jericho to the outside. Suicide dive hits! Punk wants the springboard clothesline, but JERICHO CATCHES HIM WITH THE CODEBREAKER! IT GETS 2! Top-rope elbow gets nothing for Jericho. Jericho wants the Walls again, but gets cradled for 2! Jericho's able to get the Walls anyway and Heyman's BEGGING Punk to hold on! Punk manages to get it down to a half-crab. Jericho shifts to an anklelock! Punk's able to escape that and hit the GTS, sending Jericho into the corner. Second GTS finishes Jericho for good at about 20 minutes shown.

WINNER: CM Punk - Good match to re-establish Punk and get him back in the mix. Jericho is teflon at this point, so he can absorb this loss. Not the greatest match, obviously because of Punk's rust, but it's still enough to be Match of the Night so far.

Here's a video package for the tag title match.

THE SHIELD v. "THE APEX PREDATOR" RANDY ORTON & DANIEL BRYAN: WWE TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
We've hit 10pm EST and unless they're planning to make each of those Three Stages of Hell five minutes a piece, they're running dangerously long. Bryan's pop rivals Punk's, in terms of volume.

Doesn't take long for the heat segment to start on Bryan, as they're clearly going to move this match in FFWD. Reigns grabs the chinlock. Tags are made on both sides and Orton is a hosue of fire. Orton hits his big spots. Rollins tries to come at Orton with a top-rope crossbody, but Orton counters with a powerslam for 2. Hanging DDT hits! VIPER COIL! Rollins bails and Orton tries to give chase, walking right into a Reigns right hand. Rollins covers for 2. Now the double-teaming starts in earnest on Orton. Rollins nails a flatliner on the turnbuckle! Crowd cares so much about Orton that they chant "RVD." They know he's not there, right? Reigns grabs the chinlock. Orton tries to fight up, but Reigns nails a Samoan drop. That shifts to Rollins grabbing another chinlock. Hey, they know they're running short on time, right? I know this is a Randy Orton match, but can we maybe cut the chinlocks down a tad? Corner charges from both heels miss and Orton nails an exploder (!) on Rollins that nearly killed the poor guy! Bryan gets the hot tag and cleans house on everyone! Bryan kills Reigns with NO! kicks and clears everyone out. He wants the suicide dive, but nails Orton! Oops! Orton's selling death, but Bryan's holding his own in there! The Shield starts double-teaming Bryan, but here's Orton for the save! Reigns tries to spear Orton, but Orton moves and he spears Bryan, instead! Orton wipes out Reigns with the RKO! Rollins disposes of Orton and the curbstomp will finish off Bryan for the Shield.

WINNERS: The Shield - And of course, Bryan eats the pin, to completely erase any good feelings from last Friday.

Here's a PSA from Matt Lauer to promote his new book, "Fatherhood." They DO realize they're short on time, right? How short is this main event going to be?

Here's a video package for the main event, to waste EVEN MORE time!

RYBACK v. JOHN CENA: WWE CHAMPIONSHIP LUMBERJACK MATCH
It's 10:20pm and I can't imagine these matches lasting very long. Look at all those able-bodied lumberjacks who weren't booked for this show! Gotta love The E's creative team! Hey, good to see Zack Ryder is still alive! ALEX RILEY still works here! So does TED DIBIASE! Well, what do you know? Justin Roberts gives us the championship intros.

Ryback overpowers Cena to start. Cena tries to come back, but eats a tilt-a-whirl slam for 2. Fallaway slam hits. Cena comes back with the fisherman's suplex and bodyslam. Cena gets sent out, but re-enters without incident. Ryback hits the chinlock. Cena tries to power out, so Ryback muscles him around some more. Cena gets tossed out and the lumberjacks mug Cena before tossing him back in. Ryback tosses Cena back out for fun and the heels beat him up again. Cena tries to come back with The Usual, so Ryback presses Cena and dumps him on a pile of lumberjacks. Cena gets tossed back and now he decides to toss Ryback out to the lumberjacks. The heels wants to leave him alone, but Ryback stupidly picks a fight with them, so everyone piles on him. And Cena decides to leap on top of the lumberjacks in one of the most contrived sequences I've ever seen. Seriously! JOHN CENA TOOK OUT 20 GUYS AT ONCE! And they wonder where people get the idea of Super Cena from! Back in, Cena grabs the shitty STF. Ryback powers up and finishes with the Shell Shock to take the first fall in about 8 minutes!

WINNER: Ryback

RYBACK v. JOHN CENA: WWE CHAMPIONSHIP TABLES MATCH
Ryback rushes Cena in the corner to start and immediately searches for furniture. Ryback sets up a table in the ring. Cena tries for the Attitude Adjustment, but Ryback counters with the spear. Ryback wants to press slam Cena, but he escapes and shoves Ryback to the outside. Cena sets the table up in the corner before giving chase, but he gets tossed into the steel steps. Ryback tosses Cena and the steel steps into the ring. Ryback bashes Cena with the steel steps. He holds up the steps and yells "RYBACK ROOLZ!" Ryback tosses the steps and misses, breaking the table! Cena puts Ryback down with the steel steps and starts searching for a new table. Cena sets up the table, but gets bopped by Ryback and the steps! Cena gets laid flat on the table and Ryback tries to plow the steps through him! Cena moves, but the table breaks again! Ryback chucks the steps at Cena, but misses again! Cena comes back with The Usual to heel heat. Ryback comes back with the KNOCK THE PISS OUT OF YOU! lariat! Ryback sets up the table and wants the Shell Shock, but Cena counters with the AA through the table.

WINNER: John Cena

RYBACK v. JOHN CENA: WWE CHAMPIONSHIP AMBULANCE MATCH
Ryback's not happy about what just happened, so he clears off the announce table. Ryback powerbombs Cena through the announce table! The bell rings, proper, and Ryback beats on Cena in the corner. The fight goes to the ambulance and Ryback pulls a Goldberg and punches through the window! Cena drives Ryback into the ambulance. Ryback opens the door and tries to whip Cena into it, but it's reversed! Cena bashes Ryback with the ambulance door! Now Ryback rips the hood off the ambulance and bashes Cena with it! Awesome! Ryback rushes Cena, but he gets backdropped onto the windshield! Cena climbs the ambulance and grabs the siren! CENA BOPS RYBACK WITH THE SIREN! Now the fight has shifted to the top of the ambulance, as Cena nails Ryback with a crutch! Attitude Adjustment through the roof of the ambulance, which would be really cool if we hadn't just seen that finish last year. Yeah, that's it, I guess.

WINNER: John Cena - Hey, guys! John Cena overcame the odds! Again! But yeah, recycled ambulance ending aside, that third stage was a lot of fun and it makes me wonder why they even bothered with the first two stages.

Post-match, Cena celebrates with the title. Rise Above Hate! Don't Forget to Floss! Crack is Whack! Whatever. Just another John Cena victory. Closing credits are up and we're out!

FINAL THOUGHT

Hey, look at that! The Spurs are about to win Game 5.

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Damn It, 's False, now I have to go and change all the tenses in this post so it doesn't read like the first one in the thread.

WWE is essentially a Chicago territory at this point, and they did more than just go with the flow of the expected crowd reaction in some places; they rebooked the company around it. Dolph Ziggler and Alberto Del Rio did an honest to goodness double turn, with Del Rio shifting from "booed babyface by smart crowd" to "some heel mannerisms" to outright targeting Ziggler's concussion and working the match as a heel against an injured babyface. Del Rio and Ricardo then did an insincere, obnoxious babyface promo after the match, while Ziggler was treated by the crowd and announcers as a total babyface.

I think there was still a lot of mileage in Ziggler as a heel champion, so it sucks that the injury completely deprived us of ... that entire reign. But they seem to be taking advantage of the timing, and Ziggler may have even been given Triple H's entire heroic concussion comeback storyline. The good news is Del Rio stunk as a face and really wasn't over, and Ziggler will probably be very popular now that the crowd is 'allowed' to cheer him. The weird thing is, AJ was crying for Dolph, but not an hour earlier she and Big E had just cruelly stolen the women's title from Kaitlyn. Also a missed opportunity: the champions power couple only lasted for a few minutes.

CM Punk also worked and was treated as a total babyface by Chicago, obviously, but no split with Heyman yet, though some bits of dissension were teased. Punk and Jericho had probably the best match they've had against each other. Punk's new look for this character change is Wolverine sideburns -- same music for now though.

Randy Orton didn't turn either. Him and Bryan vs. the Shield was the one match that took a backseat in terms of time and emphasis compared to what they've been doing on TV the last few weeks. They had a shorter version of their usual strong match. Bryan accidentally hit Orton with a dive, and Orton accidentally moved Bryan in front of a spear. No breakup afterwards, just glares.

Cena and Ryback wasn't as good as last month, though they did hit each other hard with some stuff, like pieces of the ambulance, and Cena did a cool dive off the top onto all the lumberjacks. Ryback won the 'jacks match, then Cena won the next two by putting Ryback on top of things. Finish was an AA through the ambulance roof. Notably...ish, Ryback has pinfall on Cena and Cena hasn't pinned Ryback once, so there might actually be another round of this as we await Cena/Bryan.

The two things that stood out on this show, which kind of go hand in hand, are one, obviously the crowd, and two, everything was good. The pre-show match (Sheamus/Sandow and the Gordian Knot) and the women's match were way above their usual average, and the IC title match was better than you'd think. AJ/Kaitlyn, with a good angle going in and some creative reversals, was probably the first women's match in WWE I'd call 'good' in a really long time. Unfortunately AJ is now the evil girlfriend of a babyface.

As it stands, the worst in-ring WWE PPV of the year so far might be Wrestlemania. Oops. With the (typically excellent) Money in the Bank PPV followed by SummerSlam with a loaded-looking maybe-card of Cena/Bryan, Punk/Lesnar, and Taker-Kane/Shield, that might not change anytime soon.
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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    The good news is Del Rio stunk as a face and really wasn't over...


I started thinking about this and it still feels strange that The E is pulling the plug on this after such a short time period, especially since they wanted that Hispanic babyface. And that makes me wonder if Rey's just about ready to come back.



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Surprisingly really good PPV.

I love what they did with Ziggler/Del Rio. Yeah, Del Rio is I guess a heel now, but when you consider what Ziggler did with his MITB cash-in and Del Rio's injured leg, it wasn't totally undeserved for Ziggler.

Great to see Curtis Axel win the IC Title on Father's Day. I do think they're rushing him by giving him such a push so early, but hopefully with this push, it'll give the IC Title the prestige it's lost. I know people keep saying that, but it really seems like WWE doesn't have a lot of faith in Barrett nor Miz, but does have a lot going in favor of Axel, so he's the right guy for the belt right now.

I would hope that Cena/Ryback is done. With the exception of HHH/HBK, Three Stages of Hell matches are usually blowoffs for feuds, so I would think that that's done. Maybe Ryback can be inserted into a Cena/Punk/Ryback match next month. Either way, I'm hoping they hold off Daniel Bryan for SummerSlam and don't do it at MITB.

They could also hotshot RVD into a title match next month, too. He could probably pull it off, especially if they play up the story of his past feud with Cena.
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The only guy to pick Del Rio in the prediction thread. LIKE A BOSS.

I really hope that double turn sticks. With Ziggler and Bryan shooting past Sheamus and Orton on the "main event faces" depth chart, the summer and fall could be something - gasp! - fresh.
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.73
    Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
    With the exception of HHH/HBK, Three Stages of Hell matches are usually blowoffs for feuds, so I would think that that's done.


Of the previous 3 Three Stages of Hell matches, two of them resulted in rematches at the following PPV. The only one that didn't was HHH vs Stone Cold, because the next PPV was Wrestlemania, but a day later the Two Man Power Trip was formed, directly referencing the previous match. (So only 1 out of the 3 previous matches was a blowoff and even that didn't close the angle.)

Granted, it SHOULD be a blowoff to any feud it's involved with, but Hell in a Cell should be the same thing and now it's sometimes the FIRST match in a feud.
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Kind feel bad for Kaitlyn since I get the feeling AJ vs. the Bellas is what they are going. She is going to be shifted to the side after not getting any real revenge. As cool as a double turn is, I feel bad for Dolph. He has been going through this years journey to get the belt only to lose it due to his concussion. Ryback being another sacrifice for the glory of Cena is lame. Surprised Punk showed up. I guess he wanted to take some frustration out of sitting rink side seeing the Hawks go down to the Bruins.



The Wee Baby Sheamus.Twitter: @realjoecarfley its a bit more toned down there. A bit.
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Long term this could be pretty amazing for Dolph. He's in a company that is JAMMED with up-and-coming heels. If this first (okay, second, but for realz) reign ends up as the catalyst for moving him into a stronger role then that's great. Plus, he's the best seller they have, and that shit is like gold dust (inhale snap) when it comes to getting faces over.

I have no idea what they do with Cena now for a month, as Bryan shouldn't be jumping straight into the title match after last night and I want him to be headlining SummerSlam anyway. Maybe they do a six-man of Cena/Orton/Bryan Vs. Shield or something, and push the ladder matches as the big draw. Or maybe they just do Cena/Ryback III against all logic.
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I was there last night and tit was crazy as we often are.

When Del rio won the crowd booed the hell out of him, apartly it was so bad that he came back out to try to get people to chear him....it didn't work.

The crowd was solely behind Ziggler and AJ so after the divas match the reaction was more of " She taped she willingly gave up and she is crying like she was cheated out of it "

Best match of the night was by far Punk vs Jericho

Worst match had to be the tag title match. One it was placed after the above match and two the finish added with Orton just walking off.



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The thing that stuck out to me was how well laid out the matches were. Every match had an internal logic that was very well told:

3-way: Curtis Axel is an opportunist. He wins with a creative finish taking advantage of Miz not being able to see him at that moment. Miz seeing Axel at 2 and trying to release the figure four but not having time to do so was really well done.

Divas Match: Kaitlyn was using her strength advantage to just bowl AJ over repeatedly. AJ's antics goaded Kaitlyn into making a mistake that cost her a win, and AJ's craftiness was able to overcome Kaitlyn's power.

Kane/Ambrose: Was in line for the bathroom. Didn't see much beyond the start.

Del Rio/Ziggler: Ziggler is such an egomaniac that he has to try to fight and win even when his brain is jello. Del Rio is so concerned with winning the title he will ruin a man's life to get it back. The post-match angle makes clear he's never really been sincere, we the fans just forgot that for a while. Everything Del Rio does is designed in the end for the betterment of Del Rio.

Jericho/Punk: Jericho needed to win to reaffirm to himself he is the best in the world. Punk coming back from layoff started off slow and walked into a lot of moves. Jericho used some creative counters to keep putting Punk into close calls, but Punk's will and the fighting spirit in his hometown was too much to overcome for Jericho.

Tag Title: Bryan is still trying too hard to prove he's an equal, to the point of making an insane dive when not needed. Orton holds grudges and will sacrifice Bryan for his own good, while the Shield is still a united front working together.

Main Event: Ummm...John Cena overcomes things?




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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.83
    Originally posted by yamcharulez
    Worst match had to be the tag title match. One it was placed after the above match and two the finish added with Orton just walking off.


Can you expand on this, please? What do you mean by "Orton just walking off"? Before the match ended, or do you mean he didn't do the traditional "stand in the ring and shake my head and mutter while I console my pinned teammate" thing and instead just walked to the back without talking to Daniel Bryan?
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.22
from where we were sitting we saw Orton as Brian was being pined just stand there and instead of checking on Bryan he just turned around and walked to the back. It looked odd just to see him walk away as most of the time in tag matched the faces at least check each other. It looked like Orton and Delrio both turned heel as it also looked like Orton tossed Bryan into the spear.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.27
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro

    The weird thing is, AJ was crying for Dolph, but not an hour earlier she and Big E had just cruelly stolen the women's title from Kaitlyn.

I'm putting in an early guess (hope?) that the Del Rio/Ziggler double turn crossed with Heel AJ/Face Kaitlyn conundrum will be solved by the Wyatt Family showing up and capitalizing on a psychologically-damaged Kaitlyn to add her to the family. This could lead to a Wyatt Family vs. Ziggler Loose Affiliation Of Friends feud and, more importantly, a Very Special Raw where AJ (backed by Daniel Bryan, Kane and Dr. Shelby) tries to rescue and de-program Kaitlyn from the Wyatt Family cult.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.29
By sheer virtue of how emotionally engaged I was by AJ vs. Kaitlyn, by Dolph vs. Alberto, and by Jericho vs. Punk, I would call Payback the best PPV of 2013 so far.



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.38
    Originally posted by InVerse
    Of the previous 3 Three Stages of Hell matches, two of them resulted in rematches at the following PPV. The only one that didn't was HHH vs Stone Cold, because the next PPV was Wrestlemania, but a day later the Two Man Power Trip was formed, directly referencing the previous match. (So only 1 out of the 3 previous matches was a blowoff and even that didn't close the angle.)

    Granted, it SHOULD be a blowoff to any feud it's involved with, but Hell in a Cell should be the same thing and now it's sometimes the FIRST match in a feud.


Oh, yeah, this was totally during the time I tuned out. All I could really think of was the 2000/2002-era stuff. Although, to correct myself, HHH/HBK was the blowoff for their feud for a while so HBK could feud with Jericho, until it re-ignited in 2003 again.


    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    By sheer virtue of how emotionally engaged I was by AJ vs. Kaitlyn, by Dolph vs. Alberto, and by Jericho vs. Punk, I would call Payback the best PPV of 2013 so far.


Same here. I think it says a lot when Sheild-Bryan/Orton isn't even the best match on the show (and, I guess, was maybe the worst?). Had a lot of good matches with a lot of significant moments in front of a hot crowd. Hard to beat that.
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.79
Really great PPV last night.

Kaitlyn v. AJ was as good as I expected it to be I loved that this story had been building between these two for over a year now. You wouldn't know however thanks to Lawler and JBL, as Cole was the only one willing to stick to the details about the angle and the match while his colleagues spouted off misogynistic jokes and personal views on women. What, Lawler and Bradshaw have both been divorced and Cole hasn't? Way to put the women over.

DOUBLE FACE/HEEL TURN! Makes sense seeing as how no one really likes Del Rio anyway. I really loved the story in that match. Both men were desperate and Del Rio was just taking advantage of an injury much like Ziggler did to him when he cashed in. People just like Ziggler more. His over-the-top selling will do wonders for him as a Face. I wonder will AJ stay with him and turn Face too or are we seeing the end of ZAy-J?

I honestly believed Punk was gonna troll us and no show. Glad to see CM "The Wolverine" Punk back. We could see Punk was not happy with Heyman interfering this time during the match. I figure on RAW we will see the beginning of their split seeing as how Heyman forced Punk out of his vacation with this match.

Orton totally pushed Bryan into the Dothraki Spear. Did anyone catch after Bryan Suicide Dived into Orton the guy yelling at Orton "Goddammit Orton this is all your fault!"?

Ok the Ambulance part of the TSoH match was some of the most contrived bullshit. When I talk to non-fans about how wrestling maybe scripted but it's just a weekly action drama. If they brought up that Ambulance match and pointed out that it was the reason wrestling is laughable I couldn't argue with them. What kind of cheaply made ambulance was that?

Ryback Goldberg punches and shatters the window, cool got it. I can let go of Cena tossing Ryback at the door so hard it snaps it off the frame, but when Ryback casually plucks part of the fender off the damn thing I lost it. You can't just pull the damn thing off like it's a decal sticker! Then Cena climbs the ambulance and casually pulls the lights off the top of the vehicle? Aren't those things usually welded onto a vehicle? Ryback no sells most of the "vehicular assault" until he gets hit with some thin crutches and AA'ed THROUGH A METAL ROOF! This match was less believable than Peter griffin fighting a giant chicken. Easily the only bad match of the night.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.38
    Originally posted by CruelAngel777
    DOUBLE FACE/HEEL TURN! Makes sense seeing as how no one really likes Del Rio anyway. I really loved the story in that match. Both men were desperate and Del Rio was just taking advantage of an injury much like Ziggler did to him when he cashed in. People just like Ziggler more. His over-the-top selling will do wonders for him as a Face. I wonder will AJ stay with him and turn Face too or are we seeing the end of ZAy-J?


I hope the rest of the group turns face along with Dolph, just because of how much I love AJ. And we've seen on NXT that Langston can be a really good babyface.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.45
    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
      Originally posted by JustinShapiro

      The weird thing is, AJ was crying for Dolph, but not an hour earlier she and Big E had just cruelly stolen the women's title from Kaitlyn.

    I'm putting in an early guess (hope?) that the Del Rio/Ziggler double turn crossed with Heel AJ/Face Kaitlyn conundrum will be solved by the Wyatt Family showing up and capitalizing on a psychologically-damaged Kaitlyn to add her to the family. This could lead to a Wyatt Family vs. Ziggler Loose Affiliation Of Friends feud and, more importantly, a Very Special Raw where AJ (backed by Daniel Bryan, Kane and Dr. Shelby) tries to rescue and de-program Kaitlyn from the Wyatt Family cult.


I would make it a point to watch every show, in it's entirety, if this happens. I'd even sit through the crap.

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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.83
    Originally posted by It's False
      Originally posted by CruelAngel777
      DOUBLE FACE/HEEL TURN! Makes sense seeing as how no one really likes Del Rio anyway. I really loved the story in that match. Both men were desperate and Del Rio was just taking advantage of an injury much like Ziggler did to him when he cashed in. People just like Ziggler more. His over-the-top selling will do wonders for him as a Face. I wonder will AJ stay with him and turn Face too or are we seeing the end of ZAy-J?


    I hope the rest of the group turns face along with Dolph, just because of how much I love AJ. And we've seen on NXT that Langston can be a really good babyface.


The other options would be a Langston/AJ relationship, correct? Not sure how that would go. And it would mean Ziggler's first post-title feud is with Langston, which he'd likely have to win, thus kinda defeating the push of Big E.
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.85
    Originally posted by It's False, in the Payback Prediction Thread
    Chris Jericho vs. C.M. Punk: I will eat my hat if this match happens.


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