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Click here to read about his new, groundbreaking book. Only when you read it, substitute "European-Americans" for good old "white folks", and the rest of his argument basically falls into place.

Basically, the godless Colored races are breeding like rabbits, and the West (read: "white folks") are doomed. Take some worthless Megatrends 2000 level predictions, add heaping doses of xenophobia and scaremongering, add a Sunday's worth of Praise the Lords, and you have Buchanan's worldview. Cosmopolitan, it ain't.





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Yes, but for every Pat Buchannen there is a Moron-type Al "I cant see past my nose" Sharpton, so it all evens out.





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The idiot was on the Today show trying to sell said book today. They read some excerpt of the book. Ugh. GEEEZE, I wonder why he wasn't elected President? Hmmm, WHAT a mystery!
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Buchanan made me embarassed to be a conservative this morning on Today. That is why we have a bad rep in the eyes of the common man, because the people with the radical views get the press coverage cause they help the media (which is mostly liberal) "prove" that we are crazy and/or dangerous. But I'm glad what 210 brought up is true, For every extreme conservative there are extreme liberals that make them look bad too.



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What Pat Buchanan is to conservatives is the same as Erik Watts is to dropkicks. They both are crap. That's namely why I don't read him or pay attention to him. Now only if the media would ignore his arse as well...



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I would hope real, clearly minded conservatives dont pay any attention to Pat. I would hope.




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Ummm the U.S. media has a liberal bias? I've never really understood that argument. PBS has a liberal bias, some of the major newspapers do, but from an outsider's perspective, most of the U.S.'s television and newspapers are mainstream conservative.

For example: Pat Buchanan made his name for most Americans cohosting Crossfire on CNN. For years he had a popular pulpit on national TV. And the "left" on that show (and in most U.S. media) is so far from the established left in Europe and Canada it isn't even, well, close. Someone (might have been Chomsky) wrote that Crossfire was "the left wing of the CIA arguing with the right wing of the CIA." Seems pretty accurate to me. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are pretty left wing -- but how much time do they get on CNN or the major networks to give their views? Not nearly as much time as Buchanan and John Maclaughlan get.

However, I will give Buchanan credit. Unlike most every other politician I can think of, he doesn't sugar coat his beliefs. I may disagree with him on most every point he makes, but at least he is out there banging the drum for what he believes in. Unlike every empty-suit career politician who is only concerned with getting and staying elected.





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The reason there are so many ultra conservatives on those point/counterpoint shows is for the media to get them to say the radical things to make the conservatives look heartless and/or elitest. So making conservatives look bad is just as good if not better than harping on liberal points of view, because in the minds of humans especially in politics if you make the other side look bad it works bette4r than just giving out your platform, hence why there is negative campaigning during election years.



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Gav, I would highly reccomend reading 'Bias', by William Goldberg. Its a new book, but its getting a great response. Well, except from the media.



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Book Description (from amazon.com) For Bias

Think the media are biased? CONSERVATIVES HAVE BEEN crying foul for years, but now a veteran CBS reporter has come forward to expose how liberal bias pervades the mainstream media. Even if you've suspected your nightly news is slanted to the left, it's far worse than you think. Breaking ranks and naming names, Emmy Award-winning broadcast journalist Bernard Goldberg reveals a corporate news culture in which the close-mindedness is breathtaking, journalistic integrity has been pawned to liberal opinion, and "entertainment" trumps hard news every time. In his three decades at CBS, Goldberg repeatedly voiced his concerns to network executives about the often one-sided nature of the news coverage. But no one listened to his complaints-or if they did listen, they did nothing about the problem. Finally, Goldberg had no choice but to blow the whistle on his own industry, to break the code of silence that pervades the news business. Bias is the result. As the author reveals, "liberal bias" doesn't mean simply being hard on Republicans and easy on Democrats. Real media bias is the result of how those in the media see the world-and their bias directly affects how we all see the world.

In Bias you'll learn:
-How on issues ranging from homelessness to AIDS, reporters have simply regurgitated the propaganda of pressure groups they favor, to the detriment of honest reporting
-The Peter Jennings test for classifying politicians-and how all the networks do it
-The network color bar-why so many "victims" on network news stories are blond-haired, blue-eyed, and middle class
-How one high-level CBS News executive told Goldberg that of course the networks tilt left-but in the next breath said he'd deny that statement if Goldberg ever went public
-One of the biggest stories of our time-and why you probably didn't hear about it on the evening news
-How political correctness in network newsrooms puts "sensitivity" ahead of facts
-The real Dan Rather-a man who regards criticism of liberal bias as treason. If you ever suspected the network news was shortchanging the truth, Goldberg will not only prove you right, he'll give you a glimpse of just how it's done, and how fairness, balance, and integrity have disappeared from network television.

Sounds like a good read, 210 ... I'm sure my local library has it by now. I'll give it a looksie.

Edit: I may not have made myself clear in my first post about liberal bias, so I'll have another crack.

The political spectrum in the U.S. skews further right than in the other western countries. So what counts as "liberal" in the U.S. seems to be conservative to many Canadians and Europeans.

So while an American may percieve a liberal bias in the media, the same bias may not seem so liberal to outsiders. At least I think that's what I was trying to say.



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(edited by Gavintzu on 6.1.02 1046)
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That makes more sense.

I'm planning on picking it up soon too. Ive seen a lot of people interview Goldberg, and 'examine' the book, and from what I hear, its the best one out there for actually proving the theory.



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The "bias" of the "press" depends on a lot of stuff. First of all, of course, is your political point of view. Most conservatives think the press is "liberal" because they might be further left than themselves. Of course, most liberals think the press is "conservative" because they might be further right. While the conservative complaint of bias is heard more often than the liberal complaint, it's certainly there. Every story on corporate coruptions, sweatshop exploitation, women's rights in China, etc. etc. that doesn't get reported gets noted by the liberals. Conservatives think the New York Times should read like the New Republic. Liberals think it should read like the Village Voice.

Of course, the fact that the conservatives' complaints get heard a lot more often that the liberals' might tell you something about the "bias."

Also print media is different from the broadcast media. Big papers are different from small papers. The editorial pages of newspapers are much more conservative than the news sections. The "press" is a big thing. Some is liberal, some is conservative, most is in between.

I think the conservatives get most of their ammo because a survey of reporters for major papers a long time ago revealed that something like 90% were Democrats. Of course, there are a million things left out of that. A few that I can think of off the top of my head are: more people describe themselves as Democrats than Republicans. Major newspapers are based in major urban areas, where there are many more democrats than GOP folks. Smaller newspapers, where a lot of people get their news from, weren't counted. Editors weren't counted. Media owners (whom I would imagine are nearly all conservative) weren't counted.

Also, out of the three "national" newspapers, two are considered liberal. The "conservative" media, to conservatives means "The New York Times and the Washington Post."

There's a lot of information out there. People find what they agree with most of the time. And there's something out there for every viewpoint.

So anyway, to conservatives who complain about liberal media bias. Usually people whining about perceived unfairness is a favorite target of you guys. "Stop your complianing and do something about it!" you say. So how about taking your own advice here. Go be a reporter.

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So how about taking your own advice here. Go be a reporter.


Sheesh, I'm surprised you didn't just say "Go start your own newspaper."



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Bias doesn't scare me as much as correctness. Slanting is one thing, but if you're smart enough, you can see past those things, let everyone else wallow in their own ignorance. Its when the media gets things wrong and then corrects them really fast and then acts like nothing was ever wrong and they were always right. Good example, MSNBC translated the new Bin Laden tape to say the West had jealousy of Islam. They talked to a professor who told them they translated it wrong and it was hatred, not jealousy on the air. The anchor said, smugly, "Well, I think we'll stick with our translator." Two hours later they had it translated as hatred. Next day, people I talked to were asking why they'd be jealous. They hadn't heard the correction.

Its like my uncle always said, "Never, ever believe anything the media tells you, ever."

Of course, he also believed the only conspiracy in the world was the conspiracy to convince him there was only one conspiracy in the world. He always sat down with a shotgun in his lap, too.



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Extremists, political, religious, or otherwise, get the spotlight because they speak up. The average persons middle of the road opinion rarely gets heard because it isn't controversial.
Osama bin Laden is the most well known muslim right now. Why? because he made the noise. obviously most muslims are not the extremists that the world percieves them to be. but the actions of the few who are vocal can lead us to believe all follow the same beliefs.
Pat Robertson and Jerry Fallwell don't represent the views of most christians, but because they have tv shows, I suspect that alot of people think they do.
Pat Buchanan has a public forum and isn't afraid to use it. He hijacked an entire political party.
The media is only as liberal or conservative as the public thinks it is. The media's product is the commercial airtime they sell to advertisers. The programming is just a means to the end. And they program whatever will get the highest ratings/buyrates. So they go for the extreme noisemakers to get the attention of the public. The public then gets deluded into the sense that all public figures are extremists of one leaning or the other. That is what i believe is the biggest contributor to the downward spiral of apathy that is the american public opinion.



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Originally posted by CRZ
MoeGates said:

So how about taking your own advice here. Go be a reporter.


Sheesh, I'm surprised you didn't just say "Go start your own newspaper."



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Well, I would have but conservatives are actually pretty good at starting their own papers, or at least buying existing ones (In my town it's The Washington Times) But I think being a reporter for a supposed "liberal" publication that people actually read is a better route.

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Even the conservatives won't have much to do with Pat these days. You gotta remember that Pat is more populist than conservative, and he's been that way for at least a decade now. I heard him make some very un-conservative statements right after 9/11 regarding taxing the rich, which is a populist position.

I didn't vote for him, but he was probably the most pro-labor of all of the candidates--much more so than Nader or Gore.



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The media is only as liberal or conservative as the public thinks it is. The media's product is the commercial airtime they sell to advertisers. The programming is just a means to the end. And they program whatever will get the highest ratings/buyrates. So they go for the extreme noisemakers to get the attention of the public. The public then gets deluded into the sense that all public figures are extremists of one leaning or the other. That is what i believe is the biggest contributor to the downward spiral of apathy that is the american public opinion.

Actually, I would go one step further - the commercial media's product is not airtime, but rather its readership/listenership/viewership. That's what they are selling to advertisers. That's why the ratings are so important - because they basically tell the networks how much that airtime is worth. The content can be crap, but as long as people are watching (Fox News Network, for example).

And that's why I have trouble with this "liberal slant" argument.

The book seems like the same old conspiracy theory that we have been hearing over and over again. Am I really supposed to believe that Dan Rather is a liberal? Sorry, but I find that VERY hard to believe. If the liberal media was so influential, then how in the hell did Bush, Jr. get into the White House?

The book on the other end of the spectrum I would recommend is Norman Soloman's "The Habits of Highly Deceptive Media". I also recommend http://www.fair.org.



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I think each side likes to feel that it's being unfairly put upon and that the other side has an unfair advantage. I've seen arguments for both a conservative bias and a liberal bias, and I think both have their points.

But the whole argument is becoming less important these days, because most people either don't pay attention to hard news, or only consume coverage that matches their personal bias.

Where I think a leftist bias does exist is in popular culture [especially movies and television] and that has a lot more influence over people than journalism.



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People are not sheep. People are NOT sheep. Maybe if I say this a few dozen more times it'll drill into your head and I'll prove myself wrong. However, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say people will be just as influenced by the liberal bias of popular culture as they will by anything else in the world. Take parenting for example. A lot of people take on at least a portion of their parents core beliefs. So is it fair to complain about the liberal bias in the world because so many damn lefty's are having kids and teaching them their politics? Well, it's a free* country, complain all you want. Just don't be too upset when people laugh at you.


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