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Mr. Boffo
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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.12
That's the real issue. The jails are so overcrowded* that no one can serve their sentence. What's the use of giving someone a 45 day sentence if they're going to get out in 3?

Something has got to be done about this country's jails. The United States keeps a larger percentage of its population in jail than any other country. 743 people per 100,000 may not seem like a lot, but it's almost 6 times higher than any country in the world except Russia.

*with drug offenders, because of mandatory sentencing laws
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.48

    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
    That's the real issue. The jails are so overcrowded* that no one can serve their sentence. What's the use of giving someone a 45 day sentence if they're going to get out in 3? The United States keeps a larger percentage of its population in jail than any other country. 743 people per 100,000 may not seem like a lot, but it's almost 6 times higher than any country in the world except Russia.


We should either:

1: Build more jails.

2: Lower the quality of our police forces and legal system to those of the other countries you're evidently so fond of.

or 3: Execute people for drug crimes like some other countries do?





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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.48
We could start cutting off limbs like they do to thieves in other countries.

Personally, I wanna see us start boiling people like they do in Uzbekistan.
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.40
    Originally posted by Cerebus
    Personally, I wanna see us start boiling people like they do in Uzbekistan.


For $1300.00, you could totally go to Uzbekistan and see that yourself. (One-way, of course.)



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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.48
I was making the point that even though our legal system is flawed, at least we don't do the things they do in other countries and we should be thankful for that.

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Anyways, check out this funny news item about Paris calling THE VIEW this morning. (tvguide.com) It's funny stuff where she claims that over the weekend she spent in jail, she's completely turned her life around. Seriously, this bitch needs to just shut the fuck up.
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.40
    Originally posted by Eddie Famous
      Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
      That's the real issue. The jails are so overcrowded* that no one can serve their sentence. What's the use of giving someone a 45 day sentence if they're going to get out in 3? The United States keeps a larger percentage of its population in jail than any other country. 743 people per 100,000 may not seem like a lot, but it's almost 6 times higher than any country in the world except Russia.


    We should either:

    1: Build more jails.

    2: Lower the quality of our police forces and legal system to those of the other countries you're evidently so fond of.

    or 3: Execute people for drug crimes like some other countries do?




Or:

4. Reconsider what we consider an offense worthy of time in jail and how we treat drug users.

5. Take some of the billions we pump in military offensives and put it into our underfunded schools, so children have more resources before them as they become adults.

5b. Subsidize the cost of a college education.

6. Stop with the tax cuts that only make the rich richer and further separate upper and lower classes, leading to some of the non-violent crimes that cause the prison overcrowding in the first place.

It's interesting that your "solutions" all deal with what to do AFTER the crime has been committed, rather than addressing how to prevent them in the first place.

(edited by TheBucsFan on 11.6.07 1832)
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.12
    Originally posted by Eddie Famous
    2: Lower the quality of our police forces and legal system to those of the other countries you're evidently so fond of.

Of course that's the reason. We're so much better at catching criminals than the rest of the world. That's the only reasonable answer. USA! USA! USA!




    or 3: Execute people for drug crimes like some other countries do?



http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=29&did=192
Federal laws already provide for the death penalty in cases where the defendant is found guilty of trafficking in large quantities of drugs. The United States is one of only 7 countries that uses capital punishment for drug-related offenses. Bangladesh, India, Iraq, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, and China are the others.

(edited by Mr. Boffo on 11.6.07 2004)
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.71
We should either:

1: Build more jails.

2: Lower the quality of our police forces and legal system to those of the other countries you're evidently so fond of.

or 3: Execute people for drug crimes like some other countries do?


* * * * *

Or just send all the violent, lifer criminals to war. There are plenty of movies like that, but we'll be safe. That "coming back to haunt you" story is Hollywood.

Drop 500,000 in the desert with some knives and guns and tell them to go to work. They ain't scared, right? And instead of everyone promoting a "thug life", just recruit for The Army. Be all that you can be, dude / dawg. There's a great joke here, F'N Shapiro. An alliteration.

I'm sure history will tell you that the front lines were always the most ruthless and deviant of a society - I suggest we quit taking the high road and show the world an America worth hating.

* * * * *

4. Reconsider what we consider an offense worthy of time in jail and how we treat drug users.

You are right about that. But figure with any kind of violent crime becoming instantly expendable, you'll see a lot more people worrying less about drugs. Everyone is a junkie these days - the only difference is the Baby Boomers made pot and cocaine ILLEGAL and all those pills, as well as the pills that are pumped into all these kids nowadays LEGAL. Fuck me. And you can't smoke anywhere, despite paying out the ass for company Health Insurance they ain't worth a damn, and Social Security money you are paying, to support the LEGAL drug habits, that won't be there in most of our lifetime's.

Bush had a chance to fix it and didn't - the next 8 years is when the payoff comes - along with an Administration that's going to try and promote Free Health Care.

5. Take some of the billions we pump in military offensives and put it into our underfunded schools, so children have more resources before them as they become adults.

We've spent enough money on schools. And despite what you see or believe, the kids nowadays are smarter and more evil. I never thought of electronically breaking into someone's bank account, much less knew how to do it until I read bulletpoints on a forum last year. I think that's entry level Windows now.

Take those Billions and spend them on luxury jails for the real criminals. After we send the violent ones off to war, of course. Never the two shall meet.

5b. Subsidize the cost of a college education.

At least make someone that's going to school earn it

6. Stop with the tax cuts that only make the rich richer and further separate upper and lower classes, leading to some of the non-violent crimes that cause the prison overcrowding in the first place.

Tax cuts work. What separates the Upper and Lower class these days is equity vs. money owed. The Lower class has had 25 years to get rich, then piss it away in Clinton's economy, make it back in Bush II's economy, buy a house, with enough equity leftover to pay off the credit cards debts and fund college - Rocking and Rolling!!

Then they sold that house, bought a bigger house and lived above their means, while rocking and rolling the credit cards back into severe debt and loading their kids up with pills and therapy - and are going to put a fucking Democrat back in the White House. To punish the rich. While you live in a $300,000, zero lot line slum. Lower Class. And STILL have the nerve to bitch about the price of gas

It's interesting that your "solutions" all deal with what to do AFTER the crime has been committed, rather than addressing how to prevent them in the first place.

This country has been playing prevent defense since 1945. If it's time to get serious about war, why not now. We have the resources.

FLEA



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.41

    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
    We're so much better at catching criminals than the rest of the world. That's the only reasonable answer. USA! USA! USA!


So the reason there are more people in jail in the US is because the police are doing their job badly? Maybe they should take the Russian or Chinese approach. Of course they would certainly be giving out reliable statistics.

    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
    Federal laws already provide for the death penalty in cases where the defendant is found guilty of trafficking in large quantities of drugs. The United States is one of only 7 countries that uses capital punishment for drug-related offenses. Bangladesh, India, Iraq, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, and China are the others


And how many people have been executed in the US for that offense in comparison to those other countries?



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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.00
    Originally posted by Eddie Famous
    So the reason there are more people in jail in the US is because the police are doing their job badly?


OR - and this is a crazy notion, I'll grant you - there are more criminals to catch in the first place?




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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.15
    Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN
    We've spent enough money on schools. And despite what you see or believe, the kids nowadays are smarter and more evil. I never thought of electronically breaking into someone's bank account, much less knew how to do it until I read bulletpoints on a forum last year. I think that's entry level Windows now.




Here in Santa Barbara, where the median price of a home is about $1.2 million (and which boasts to being home to some of the wealthiest people in the country), the local school district just voted to close a school in order to balance their budget - and they've also been laying off teachers left and right.

The quality of the public education system is most certainly declining. Maybe throwing money at the problem isn't the best (or only) solution, but something needs to change.

(edited by Leroy on 12.6.07 0910)


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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.73
    Originally posted by Leroy
    Here in Santa Barbara, where the median price of a home is about $1.2 million (and which boasts to being home to some of the wealthiest people in the country), the local school district just voted to close a school in order to balance their budget - and they've also been laying off teachers left and right.

    The quality of the public education system is most certainly declining. Maybe throwing money at the problem isn't the best (or only) solution, but something needs to change.

I think your example is a perfect demonstration that money is not the problem with the majority of our schools. If a school district with that kind of a tax base cannot balance their budget, that's a pretty clear indication more money won't solve the problem. I certainly agree that something needs to change, but for the overwhelming majority of schools, it's not a money problem.
    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    Subsidize the cost of a college education.

We already do this in spades. Grants (both research and student), direct funding from state and federal governments, subsidized student loans, government-provided students loans, universities qualifying as charitable institutions, etc. I don't think money is what holds people back from obtaining a college education.
    Originally posted by TheBucksFan
    Stop with the tax cuts that only make the rich richer and further separate upper and lower classes, leading to some of the non-violent crimes that cause the prison overcrowding in the first place.


Using tax cuts as a root cause of crime is kind of a stretch.



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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.15
    Originally posted by Corajudo
    I think your example is a perfect demonstration that money is not the problem with the majority of our schools. If a school district with that kind of a tax base cannot balance their budget, that's a pretty clear indication more money won't solve the problem. I certainly agree that something needs to change, but for the overwhelming majority of schools, it's not a money problem.


Except in California, 60-65% of the funding isn't based on the local tax base, and is from the state. We also have Prop 13 in this state, which limits the amount that can be collected from property tax - so our tax base may seem great on the surface, but in reality it's not the funding source you would think.

And state funding of local schools isn't really providing the money that's necessary, even in a town like SB.








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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.74
Just a couple of thoughts. First, many in jail are not there for violent crimes (many are). We really need to figure out what really necessitates a jailable offense. Too many crimes just aren't worthy of jailtime but often help. I am not "soft" on crime but what we are doing isn't woking. And locking up people without getting them help or education or job skills just doesn't make sense.

The real key is giving individuals the necessary tools to stay out of trouble and cope wih their lives.

ANd Flea, maybe we are pumping enough into education, but we certainly aren't spending it well. A good first step is to eliminate "No Child" and the endless testing.

Finally, while there is aid for college, the aid is what allows the cost to keep climbing. Where we live there are many families with "average" kids who, unless they are super motivated and with alot of emotional support, don't stand a chance.



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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.73
    Originally posted by Leroy
    Except in California, 60-65% of the funding isn't based on the local tax base, and is from the state. We also have Prop 13 in this state, which limits the amount that can be collected from property tax - so our tax base may seem great on the surface, but in reality it's not the funding source you would think.

    And state funding of local schools isn't really providing the money that's necessary, even in a town like SB.

So, if funding is the problem and California districts rely on funding from the state, then districts across the states should be laying off teachers and closing schools. Maybe this is happening; I don't know. Regardless, I agree with DrDirt--our school districts aren't spending money intelligently and they have to deal with too much nonsense from the federal level, particularly the endless testing. Throwing more money at the problem is not any type of intelligent solution.
    Originally posted by DrDirt
    Finally, while there is aid for college, the aid is what allows the cost to keep climbing. Where we live there are many families with "average" kids who, unless they are super motivated and with alot of emotional support, don't stand a chance.

I agree about costs at the university level. However, here in Texas, if you take a class at a community college, you will almost surely pay more for the textbook than for the tuition and fees. This should be particularly enticing for the "average" kid. After taking and transferring the maximum of 60 or so hours to a four year school, then you're not talking about an exhorbitant cost given the head start provided by the community college and the value of a college degree.



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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.56
I love how a thread on Paris Hilton turned into a thread on the state of education in America. Makes me happy.



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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.48
When I worked for Walmart catching shoplifters, something I heard time and time again from people was that they did it (steal) because they didn't have the money to afford what they wanted (noticed the word 'wanted', not needed...) and more often then not, my next question was about getting a job to afford the merchandise, and then I got the answer "It's easier to just take (steal) it."

Of course, no it's not easier because then they go to jail, but they'll be back out and stealing again in no time.

These people don't want to be 'educated' or helped, they just want shit they can't have and the easiest way to do it is to steal.
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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.74
    Originally posted by Cerebus
    When I worked for Walmart catching shoplifters, something I heard time and time again from people was that they did it (steal) because they didn't have the money to afford what they wanted (noticed the word 'wanted', not needed...) and more often then not, my next question was about getting a job to afford the merchandise, and then I got the answer "It's easier to just take (steal) it."

    Of course, no it's not easier because then they go to jail, but they'll be back out and stealing again in no time.

    These people don't want to be 'educated' or helped, they just want shit they can't have and the easiest way to do it is to steal.


How many actually go to jail? Not many out here.

And as to your last statement, it points to our failure as a society to help get ingrained into our children what makes a contributing memebr of society and whay it is good for them. I said that poorly but I hope you get my point.



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