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MoeGates
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Since: 6.1.02
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#41 Posted on
First, I have to say something to all the "when the heel does it it's different from when the face does it" responses. That's why the heel is the heel and the face is the face.

Anyway, my pet peeve is moves where I can't tell who is the giver and who is the reviever of the move until one of them sells it and the other pops up. I'm thinking specifically of the spot that usually comes after a lot of flippy reverses in a "big man/little man" match, where you can't tell if wrestler X hit a DDT on wrestler Y, or if wrestler Y hit a uranage-type slam on wrestler X (usually it's the DDT). I'm sure there are other examples I'm not thinking about right now.



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Since: 18.4.02
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#42 Posted on

    Originally posted by waffleking
    One pet peeve I have are ref bumps. I'm supposed to believe while two wrestlers are beating the hell out each other, and a ref accidentally gets touched, he has to fall into a coma.
When watching Smallville, which is about the pre-Superman Clark Kent, I love to call "ref bumps" whenever Lana Lang or Lex Luthor get conveniently knocked out so Clark can use his powers without them seeing.
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Since: 2.1.02
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#43 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by astrobstrd
    No question here. Irish whips. I understand that they are instrumental in transition, but talk about a major part of any match that kills ANY believability. That, and people who set themselves up for their opponents spots. The Kidman-powerbomb reversal is the most glaring example of this, but a few others come to mind...like sunset-flipping Rikishi or Biiiig, slow, deliberate standing clotheslines on Bubba Ray Dudley


or the ever popular "you will stand up with the power of my hand as it touches the back of your head"

back in the day, the announces would sell it as a hair pull that would force the wrestler to get up due to the pain, but that failed on bald, shaved wrestlers
    Originally posted by oldschoolhero

    Ref inconsistencies are the worst. For instance, Earl hebner's perfectly willing to accept the heels' word that they tagged behind his back, but faces are NEVER allowed to get away with it. And when a ref runs out to dispute the decision and get the match restarted. So retarded-if they did that every time something untoward happened, we'd never finish a freakin' match.



i HATE when Earl is reffing a match. Why?

he telegraphs his 2 counts...watch him, if it's a 2 count, just before he pulls the 3, he will violently twitch/throw his right leg usually, but when he's counting a 3, his legs never move.

it's distracting to me at least, and i can't help but notice that leg twitch. almost ruins the matches for me


(edited by rikidozan on 11.11.02 2107)


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Since: 11.11.02
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#44 Posted on
1. Lawler. Everything about that shrieking toad.

2. People moving around on the mat to get aligned for a finisher. Jeff Hardy never seems to Twist-of-Fate anyone near where they need to be for the Swanton. But, if they are so destroyed by the move that they cannot move out of the way of the finisher's path — while Jeff exits the ring, climbs the ropes, points to his mouth as if to say "Minutes ago, I gargled and spat a tremendous amount of Woolite" — how is it that they can bump and writhe two feet to the left, right, front or back?

3. Useless finishers. Benoit's Swandive Headbutt. They ought to call it the Arcing Useless. Jericho's Lionsault. Neither that or the headbutt gets a pinfall unless the opponent is a jobber.

4. Hitting the finisher repeatedly. If you need to Stunner the Rock three times before you can pin him, why are you wasting time doing anything other than Stunnering him? Why did you waste thirty minutes of my time by punching, suplexing and Thesz-pressing him? Clearly, all of this was totally ineffectual. If only a bunch of Stunners can win, there is obviously no need for other moves.

5. "Moments ago." Goodness, if it's entertaining, I'll wager it won't slip my mind. Why not hedge your bets positively and try to write better segments rather than spend so much time reminding us of things?

6. The bizarre notion that the only type of music that goes with wrestling is heavy metal rasping shit. And that all those bands are named Taint, or Blord, or Waschinkton Skwair, or Dent. I make an exception for Lemmy and the rest of Motorhead.

7. The fact that the Parking Lot is a mystical place that — no matter how many wrestler's necks are claimed there — no wrestler seems to understand, fear or decline to visit. Look, don't fucking go there, okay? They kill people like you there.

8. Moves that obviously cause more harm to the deliverer than to the recipient. RVD's the biggest criminal here. Here's what I suspect goes through his mind: "If I do a flip, I can crush his head or knees by hurling my vertebrae at him. He will be crushed by my spine!"



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Since: 26.7.02

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#45 Posted on
This just occurred to me in the last segment on Raw... when the heels are beating down someone and the time keeper is ringing the bell repeatedly... What is the point of that?? Is it supposed to make them stop kicking the guys ass?? It just seems kind of dumb.
Excalibur05
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Since: 19.1.02
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#46 Posted on

    Originally posted by thelivinglegendlgrthnlife
    This just occurred to me in the last segment on Raw... when the heels are beating down someone and the time keeper is ringing the bell repeatedly... What is the point of that?? Is it supposed to make them stop kicking the guys ass?? It just seems kind of dumb.


It's kind of like the refs in football blowing the whistle after the play is over and a fight breaks out. Of course it never stops anything, but they're trying to let everbody know that the play is over just in case the other people didn't notice. But usually everybody already knows the play is over, but they just don't give a rat's ass.




Since everyone else is doing it (ok, not EVERYONE, but...)

Vikings (2-7) - I don't know. I didn't see it. Just saw that we lost.
Badgers (6-5) - Slipping into mediocrity six weeks in a row.
Buffy 7.Uhh Whatever this last one was earns a 7.00000314159 because the begining was terrible, but the meat of the episode was hillarious. But filler. Just like most of Season One...Is this some kind of whacky time warp?
thelivinglegendlgrthnlife
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Since: 26.7.02

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#47 Posted on
It's kind of like the refs in football blowing the whistle after the play is over and a fight breaks out. Of course it never stops anything, but they're trying to let everbody know that the play is over just in case the other people didn't notice. But usually everybody already knows the play is over, but they just don't give a rat's ass.


Good point... I never thought of it like that.
FurryHippie
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Since: 29.10.02
From: New York

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#48 Posted on

    Originally posted by Excalibur05
    It's kind of like the refs in football blowing the whistle after the play is over and a fight breaks out. Of course it never stops anything, but they're trying to let everbody know that the play is over just in case the other people didn't notice. But usually everybody already knows the play is over, but they just don't give a rat's ass.


Also, with all the hectic bell-ringing and refs-a-flying, it makes it look more out of control than if there was no bell. It's still dumb....One day in the middle of a huge heel beatdown, I'd love to have the bell ring and the heel just freezes like he was caught murdering somebody and then just leave the ring in fear as if he "didn't know" it was over.
Dr Unlikely
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#49 Posted on
Bret Hart did something like that, sort of, in his WCW days. It wasn't in the ring, but it was during an appearance on Mad TV during his epic feud with Will Sasso. Bret shows up to attack Sasso during some typically lousy Mad TV sketch and then is convinced to stop his attack, only to come running back in the hallways and beat Sasso up some more. He eventually throws him in the Sharpshooter and keeps it locked on for a while as everyone runs up and tries to pull him off and begs him to stop, then he suddenly looks at everyone and says "Oh, sorry!" sheepishly and lets go before heading to his dressing room.

Ah, insane, groin-pulling, cat-loving, El Dandy-defending WCW heel Bret, the most underrated heel run ever.

But I digress. The one thing that annoys me most is the awful "someone pulls the ref out at three to break the count" finish they've been doing to death for the last year. I don't mind a tag match where one partner pulls a guy off his partner to stop the count, since that's part of the tag formula. But I loathe when a manager or someone not in the match or a McMahon comes down to the ring and yanks the ref out so there's no match ending. It stinks in the first place, and it's been run into the ground on top of that.
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Since: 16.1.02
From: Calgary Alberta Canada

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#50 Posted on
Someone mentioned soft landings. Remember Rikishi in the 5 man HITC a few years ago, landing in a truck bed filled with wood chips? In reality it probably hurt more than it looked, which is the opposite effect you're going for.

Other pet peeves:

I agree with the one about moves that require the opponent to get into position. The worst are the swanton, the 5 star (at least RVD's version - I don't remember anyone having to move for Eddie's) and the axe kick.

I hate the "roll to your tag partner"
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Since: 13.2.02
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#51 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.03

On the subject of ``using the ropes for leverage,'' when a heel puts his feet on the ropes, preferably higher than his chest, he's focusing his weight on his chest, meaning he's putting more pressure on the guy he's trying to hold down. For an example of this principle in action, do ten pushups with your toes on the ground. Then do ten with your feet higher than your chest. The second ten will be much harder (and not just because you're shifting focus to your upper pectorals).

As for refs and their propensity to both allow the heels to cheat and the faces not to, I think someone else said it exactly right with the phrase, ``That's what makes them heels.'' It all goes back to what many wrestlers have said in interviews, namely that a wrestling match takes three people who know what they're doing: two workers and a ref.





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Since: 2.1.02
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#52 Posted on
1. I hate how the announcers will constantly lament the use of foreign objects in matches, but no one EVER thinks of coating the entrance ramp with rubber, making the ring steps out of plastic, barring steel chairs from ringside or taking all the stop signs, tables, ladders, fire extinguishers and trash cans out from under the ring.

2. I hate how people just lay on top of a table and wait to be crushed.

3. I hate how it is DEVASTATING to be put through a flimsy, weak, wooden folding table while being whipped into steel steps, having your head beaten into a ringpost, being hit with a chair and other shenanigans are totally overcome-able.



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Since: 31.10.02
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#53 Posted on
Blown spots that are obviously blown yet the person that was supposed to get "hit" still sells the move even though it missed by a mile.





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Since: 22.4.02
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#54 Posted on
How about this obscure one:

Slamming your partner on an opponent doesn't hurt the partner.

I could see the opponent sort of cushioning the blow, but come on... this is ridiculous. I forgot where I saw it, though... the only ones that come to mind are the Cannonball and Rocket Launcher.



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#55 Posted on
One of the moves I hate is the slingshot into the corner spot. It's so weak.
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Since: 28.5.02
From: Bloomington, IN

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#56 Posted on
Here's a great event specific thing that has always bothered me. In the Royal Rumble, whenever Stone Cold stunners someone, they jump immediately to their feet near the ropes. Normally, the would jump up a little or just fall down. That always bothered me.


I have always thought a great gimmick for a wrestler would be one who didn't follow the traditional rules of wrestling. A guy who didn't fall for the stupid pet peeve stuff.

For example, he wouldn't attack black ninja style, he wouldn't jump immediately up after being stunnered in the Rumble, he wouldn't take forever getting up the ladder and batting the title in a ladder match, he wouldn't try to powerbomb Kidman....that sort of thing. I think it would be a cool gimmick.
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#57 Posted on
I got two, one is a minor pet peeve, but when a face or heel in a tag match is UNSTOPPABLE, but one accidental cheapshot from his partner will totally kill him. But I find that funny actually. What I HATE is when for example Edge does a powerslam and it takes him out too, and the worst is Bradshaw's fall away slam, how does that hurt Bradshaw? It's basically a release Power Clean, how often do people doing Clean and Jerk get knocked out from lifting weights?



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Since: 2.1.02
From: nWo Country

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#58 Posted on
"Here's a great event specific thing that has always bothered me. In the Royal Rumble, whenever Stone Cold stunners someone, they jump immediately to their feet near the ropes. Normally, the would jump up a little or just fall down. That always bothered me."

Wow, you musta hated Book's exit this year then-he just went straight over the top off the Stunner to save Austin the energy needed for a clothesline. WORST RUMBLE EXIT EVER.







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Since: 21.1.02
From: Saginaw, MI

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#59 Posted on
Speaking of Hebner, here's a good one. You can always tell when he's not counting to three because he always does that little kick thing with his feet about a half second before he stops the count. If he doesn't kick his feet, he counts the three. If you don't what I mean, watch ANY Hebner match and you'll immediately see what I'm talking about. Kind of ruins any "JOHNNY ACE!!" moment because you see it coming a half second before it actually comes.

--Monte N

EDIT: I must have missed rikidozan's post about this exact same thing. Glad I'm not the only one who notices that, though

(edited by MonteCarl on 12.11.02 1708)
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