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Since: 28.4.02
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#21 Posted on

    Originally posted by Grimis

      Originally posted by The Goon
      Originally posted by Freeway420
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      The US & Canada pretty much control trade, which means they have all the power.
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      I think what he meant was that we're each other's largest trading partner, which is the case.



    Noted. But it would be incorrect to state that the US & Canada control all trade. Canada is a nice place, but it is "USA Lite", just with more socialism, higher taxes and less freedom.



And overpriced magazines.

(And the reason I said what I said before was because, in effect, what I meant was - "I know where this is going. I've heard it a million times before. Shut the fuck up.".)



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29
And the 8 oz cans of soda. Sure, it's been 11 years since I was in Canada, but the biggest thing in the country was the 12-ounce can.

At least the currency looks cool.
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#23 Posted on
So how were you measuring the amount of Freedom in Canada as compared to the US? Was this in pounds per square inch or what? God, I love baseless broad opinions. They make our world go round.

-Jag

And if you say you measured it in metric, I say "Fuck you, you communist loving bastard!" Just cause I love saying that.



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29

    Originally posted by Jaguar
    So how were you measuring the amount of Freedom in Canada as compared to the US? Was this in pounds per square inch or what? God, I love baseless broad opinions. They make our world go round.

    -Jag

    And if you say you measured it in metric, I say "Fuck you, you communist loving bastard!" Just cause I love saying that.



I don't know, how about the fact that you have to have a license to possess any sort of firearm. Click Here?

How about high rates for sales and income taxes?

How about being imprisoned for saying something politically incorrect? Take this from Canada’s "Public Incitement of Hatred" Law, [Section 319(1) of the Criminal Code].

319. (1) Every one who, by communicating statements in any public place, incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace is guilty of (a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or (b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.

("Communicating" in this context includes communicating by telephone, broadcasting or other audible or visible means; "statements" in this context includes words spoken or written or recorded electronically or electro-magnetically or otherwise, and gestures, signs or other visible representations.)

Yeah....Canada is really free.

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#25 Posted on

    Originally posted by Grimis

      Originally posted by Jaguar
      So how were you measuring the amount of Freedom in Canada as compared to the US? Was this in pounds per square inch or what? God, I love baseless broad opinions. They make our world go round.

      -Jag

      And if you say you measured it in metric, I say "Fuck you, you communist loving bastard!" Just cause I love saying that.



    I don't know, how about the fact that you have to have a license to possess any sort of firearm. Click Here?




So, do we live in a Communist country because you have to have a liscense to drive any sort of mode of transportation? Or does the asinine car analogy only work the other way?



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Since: 23.1.02
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#26 Posted on
I don't know... does the Canadian government hold citizens prisoner without access to legal counsel? Until they do that (and it's violating every citizen's right in the country) I'm not counting Canada out of the "We have more Freedom" race yet.

-Jag





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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29

    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard



    So, do we live in a Communist country because you have to have a liscense to drive any sort of mode of transportation? Or does the asinine car analogy only work the other way?



Let me try this again(maybe with decent formatting)

You do not have a constitutional right to own a car.

You do have a constitutional right to own a firearm without that right being infringed.

This is not a difficult concept.
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#28 Posted on
How does havinging to have a license impede ownership of a firearm? You have a constitutional right to vote also, but you still have to be registered with the government to do it. My only thing would be that I would think you shouldn't have to pay for the license, the same way you don't have to pay to register to vote (thank you protests for that one, by the way).



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#29 Posted on
And now Canada's talking about legalizing marijuana - which would be *another* freedom they have that we don't.

(Probably won't happen, but at least they'll talk about it...)



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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29

    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    And now Canada's talking about legalizing marijuana - which would be *another* freedom they have that we don't.

    (Probably won't happen, but at least they'll talk about it...)



Thank god it's not here. The last thing we need is the legalized execution of brain cells. The upcoming generations are already dumb enough as it is thanks to their NEA approved politically correct and sanitized lesson plans.
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#31 Posted on
Dude, Alcohol kills brain-cells too. If there was a simple way to make Marijuana legal and come through controlled channels, and tax the hell out of it, I'm all for it. More money to spend on improving Education.

But seeing as how I don't think anybody has come up with an appropriate plan to turn Marijuana dealing into a legal taxable business, I don't see any point into yelling about legalizing it.

-Jag



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29

    Originally posted by Jaguar
    Dude, Alcohol kills brain-cells too. If there was a simple way to make Marijuana legal and come through controlled channels, and tax the hell out of it, I'm all for it. More money to spend on improving Education.

    But seeing as how I don't think anybody has come up with an appropriate plan to turn Marijuana dealing into a legal taxable business, I don't see any point into yelling about legalizing it.

    -Jag



That has a lot to do with why I don't drink either. Nevertheless, drinking in moderations isn't bad for you and could be beneficial. Smoking pot just gets you stoned and kills brain cells unless you absolutly have to have it to try to ease horrific pain.
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#33 Posted on
Yeah, the British did a lot to hold off the Germans while we tooled around before the Japanese sneak attack(oh, and we went to WAR after that). The French I have no use for, as their contribution was to spend a shitload of money on the Maginot Line and not bother to extend it to the Belgian border despite the fact that Germany invaded through the Low Countries in WWI. God I hate the French.



I don't suppose your grandparents fought in the French resistance, were captured and put in camps, were they? Cause mine were, and they always get sort of testy when people accuse the French of doing nothing during WWII. Strange, I know.


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#34 Posted on
Right, but hey... in a free country, don't you think we should be allowed to kill our brain cells however we damn well please?

-Jag

Plus, I really just hate the fact that we waste so much time and money policing the potheads. Legalize, make it the legal age 21, and bust under-agers, and those that sell to underage kids. Of course, again, this would take a comprehensive plan to implement and make work. Which is something we just don't got.



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#35 Posted on
It really wouldn't be any different than the way they treat cigarettes and alchohol.



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#36 Posted on
"Six countries who more or less owe their existence to the US"

Allow me to be the first British guy to remind you that your glorious country wouldn't, you know, EXIST without Britain. So really, we created you as a back-up plan in case something like WWII happened. WE ARE THE SMARTEST RACE ALIVE!!

(And if you can't see the attempted humour dripping off the sentence above, I gots no TIME for ya...although yes, we DID sow the seeds of America).




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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.52
God, it'd be a dirty case of irony if the tax dollars gained from taxing the hell out of legal marijuana went into improving the school system.

I'd keep marijuana illegal myself. I just don't see any benefit to legalized marijuana. If marijuana's legal, who's to say they'll stop there? Next thing you know people will be screaming to legalize cocaine, acid, crack, ecstacy, and all that. Hell, why don't we just legalize murder while we're at it, too?

Firearm control: If less people owned guns, less people would be killed by guns. In my perfect world, all guns would be illegal, but I realize that's far too much to ask for. After all, if guns were made illegal, only the criminals would have guns. I do think they should be carefully licensed, though-- and I certainly wouldn't license a former convicted felon to own a gun. And please spare me the crap about “but... but we have a constitutional right to own a firearm!” Read the Second Amendment again.

“A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”

In other words, the Constitution provides the creation of a militia to help defend the security of a state. It does not provide the universal right for everyone to hold a gun, as the NRA would have you believe.



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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29

    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    In other words, the Constitution provides the creation of a militia to help defend the security of a state. It does not provide the universal right for everyone to hold a gun, as the NRA would have you believe.


Sigh, here we have to explain this again. From the May 17, 2002 edition of the San Jose Mercury-News:

1765: Sir William Blackstone, a powerful influence on the Framers' thinking, publishes his famous ``Commentaries on the Laws of England.'' He describes the British right to bear arms, a predecessor to the Second Amendment, as one of ``the rights of the subject'' -- in other words, an individual right.

1776: Pennsylvania enacts the first state bill of rights, which protects the right to bear arms gun-ownership right from being abridged by the state. This provision and similar ones in other early state constitutions are evidence that the right to own guns was aimed at constraining state governments rather than empowering them to form militias.

1788: New York, North Carolina and Virginia demand that Congress secure the right to bear arms, and they define ``militia'' as the citizenry at large. Rhode Island makes a similar demand in 1790.

1792: Passage of the federal Militia Act, which defines ``militia'' as all able-bodied white male citizens ages 18 to 45 -- not as a small National Guard-like group. Constitutional amendments passed after the Civil War eliminate the racial restriction.
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#39 Posted on
Annnd, the Constitution was ratified in 1787, no?

So if states are complaining in 1788 that the Constitution didn't guarantee the individual right to bear arms, then that would mean that the people around at the time it was written understood that to be its meaning, wouldn't it?

And the wording of the Constitution was never actually changed, was it?

And only the Supreme Court can interpret the Constitution, isn't that correct? Laws passed by Congress can't change the Constitution, can they? You would need a constitutional amendment to change what the Constitution means, am I not mistaken?

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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29

    Originally posted by Tom Dean
    Laws passed by Congress can't change the Constitution, can they? You would need a constitutional amendment to change what the Constitution means, am I not mistaken?


No, Congress has the power to enforce constitutional amendments by apporporaite legislation. Noting the militia problem with the 2nd's wording, Congress chose to interpret the phrase "Militia" in 1792 the way they did.

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