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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.03
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    I want badly for Goldberg give a badass spear and devastating jackhammer to Brock. But how joyless is the company where Sting and Goldberg return from exile to the biggest pops of the year to get everyone happy to watch them lose their only matches. Goldberg should destroy Braun Strowman like he was Wrath.


Goldberg should destroy BROCK like he was Wrath. GOLDBERG
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one of the greatest moments in wrestling history. Roman will not get to beat the beat the streak.

Some of the lemonadetions in the lemonadetion matches tonight were truly perverse. DIYvival was the anticipated and easy match of the weekend, but there were some hot spotz in the near-hour long main tag. After lasting almost the entire match, having the top guys sell for his shitty offense, and getting the keynote highlight spot, Shane seemed to get a concussion in the first act of justice dished out by the Hound Of in two years. The 20-man tag also had a rip-roaring ending (second in hellaciousness only to the earlier ephemeral tease of Cesaro vs. Alpha).

The cruiserweights going to SD should've been a no-brainer but hey, we are dealing with no-brainers.

Match results: LOL go to wikipedia b i t c h

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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.18
This feels like the closest we've come to Crash TV since Crash TV. If you are going to do nonsensical things at least do so many of them at random that it's really tough to pin any of them down as terrible. I enjoyed this show more than the cookie cutter shows with different terrible decisions they have been putting out there, and as somebody who has enjoyed very little of this company's output lately we'll call this a win.

That all being said the Shane-o-Mac stuff was embarrassing and his injury will probably erase just how over the top awful his act was.

Brock deserved this. I'm not sure Goldberg did. At the end of the day it doesn't matter I suppose.

This was a strange but fun show.

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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.43
I was thinking the silver lining of Shane's injury is it would put an end to the idea of Lesnar/Shane at WM. Who would've guessed it was already done?

Goldberg/Brock at WM will be a big deal match. But they could've done the same bit as Goldberg with many other people and gotten something out of that would've still meant something when Goldberg's gone in six months.



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.70
I'm glad the dark ages of "Brock must never really lose cuz he ended the Streak" are over. Typical Brock/WWE booking would be Brock making Goldberg's son cry as he smeared his blood across his chest. And, sure, there's some entertainment value in that if Brock wrecking dreams wasn't the same story that's been told for the last year and a half. It got old.

I'm sure Brock will beat Goldberg back, and he should since I don't expect Goldberg to stick around and he got his moment, but I'm glad they broke the formula. They had plenty of chances for a regular WWE guy to beat Brock and they turned it down every chance, so screw it. Goldberg, it is.
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.03
Man was this boring. The only interesting match was Brock/Goldberg due to how short it was. The main event SS was an overbooked mess. The women's match was on too soon. They once again try to put some heat on a big guy taking out little guys. This was a rather shit PPV.



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.63
I enjoyed almost everything, minus the four hour runtime. And if we are ending half an hour early, why not give everybody their full entrances instead of cutting off for example Nia Jax's music when she's halfway to the ring?

The womens match was fun. It was a nice change from the womens matches of the past decade or so. It's also cool to look at the women in the match and realize just how many of them are NXT. Not a huge fan of the last minute Nikki bait and switch, though we did get Natalya out of it. I liked that Nia looked like a beast and I wasn't sold on Sasha getting eliminated so early.

The I-C match was fun.

The tag match was mostly fun, though New Day being out so quickly was a little shocking. Cesaro looked like a star once he found his way out of his jacket.

The cruiserweight match was fun until the Baron Corbin incident. I feel like we are getting a rematch tonight. It doesn't make any sense for the cruisers to stay on Raw and have double the travel costs.

The mens elimination was also mostly fun though long.

I actually enjoyed Goldberg/Lesnar. I'm not freaking out because "what were the last few years of Lesnar destroying eveyrone for????"... it is what it is. Lesnar got destroyed, it was fun, and it will be interesting to see where it goes.

Also, no more Shane in matches please.

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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.37
    Originally posted by andy1278
    The mens elimination was also mostly fun though long.


I feel this best encapsulates my feelings on it as well. Good stuff sprinkled in here and there, a SHIELD reunion and a mini SHIELD v. Wyatts bit that were great, and a whole lot of nothing surrounding it all. Ultimately, mostly exhausting, but also I liked seeing Bray Wyatt finally get a big win.

Also, I have grown to absolutely hate Lazy Brock Lesnar, so while I'm still kind of pissed he got a big payday to go out and do nothing again, at least I felt good seeing him get wrecked. I don't even care that it was Goldberg; I'm just glad someone beat him.
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.61
    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    Everything about Survivor Series, from a booking perspective, has been a mess. There's no reason for anyone but Shane/Bryan and Stephanie/Foley to care about Raw vs. Smackdown as a thing, and yet we're being asked to buy people putting aside blood feuds and/or compromising their own ethics/weird demon logic for it. And yet and yet, it's not so important that John Cena can be bothered to show up, or the Undertaker - who comes back, says "I'm back full time baby and I loooooove Smackdown!" - to take the extra spot on Smackdown's team in the most important match.


I stand by what I said above about my main problem going into Survivor Series above (compounded by Raw's general awfulness), but as the show came on, I realized another important reason why I was soured on Survivor Series 2016: the dumb Raw/Smackdown brand nonsense had robbed us of one of our best annual threads: coming up with names for Traditional Survivor Series Teams!

Imagine, then, my reaction when it turned out that the reunited friendship of the Shield turned out to not be enough to overcome Bray Wyatt and his control over Randy Orton and special guest Luke Harper. Yes, that's right, the story of the main Traditional Survivor Series Match did, in fact, turn out to be...CONTROLLED/FRIENDSIES.

I WILL NOT BE DENIED.

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    But...the prospect of AJ vs. Undertaker is one of those dream matches I never even considered possibilities. And the possibility of AJ vs. Lesnar/Joe vs. Lesnar/Nakamura vs. Lesnar/Nakamura vs. Undertaker are all still tantalizingly possible over the next few months, and it's just enough to keep me hanging on by a thread.
Let's, uh, let's go ahead and scratch off AJ/Joe/Nakamura vs. Lesnar from that list, then. AJ/Undertaker and Nakamura/Undertaker it is.

Your mileage will vary on the main event, of course, but garbage booking on finishes and weird flukey early eliminations throughout the night (minus the Tagditional Survivor Series Match, where getting New Day out early was actually smart and Cesaro vs. The Usos was a hot finish that makes me weep for the Cesaro/Lesnar match that will never happen. Boo to the production crew for basically missing the spot where Cesaro takes the bullet on the Double Usokick to save Sheamus.)

I hope Shane's not dead or whatever, but the company should be embarrassed for putting on that stretch of the main event where he beat up all of Raw, including Reigns and Rollins, by himself. Sometimes I wonder if Stephanie and HHH don't book those Shane segments if just to take some of the heat off themselves.

There was a brief moment in the main elimination match where Rollins got the big comeback hope spot and destroyed Wyatt in the ring, dove onto Harper outside the ring and landed on his feet in essentially one move and it was a reminder that, despite a year and a half of absolutely disastrous, undercutting booking, Rollins could have been That Dude. The Shield are magic when in proximity to each other, and I ask again to imagine a delayed break-up angle where The Shield steps up to save WWE from Brock (protecting Roman while he gets his feet under him), or a not-bungled Bullet Club/NJPW/Indy invasion angle where WWE has to turn to The Shield to save the company from Shane's upstarts. Or Rollins getting to come back as a face and not spend a month begging the crowd to stop cheering for him for a month before asking them to cheer for him again.

(I canceled the Network after the show because there are no Takeovers for a while now and it's clear they have no idea what they're doing on any angles and Raw sucks so my cancelation is timed perfectly to get me the next Smackdown show while ending before the Raw show. I might come back for the Rumble depending on how mad I want to be/if Nakamura is in it.)
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.13
The only thing of note I want to add is that Randy Orton is a hell of a guy for going over to reassure Shane's son after Shane was injured.

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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.93
Stuff I liked:
- Alicia Fox pinned somebody!
- Nobody has been able to beat the New Day cleanly in forever so getting eliminated early was a great shock. I know a lot of people wanted this to be American Alpha's coming out party but The Usos were so great that I don't mind. Not only do they wrestle well but their swag as heels is tremendous.
- The Sheamus/Cesaro angle interested me for the first time. - Wyatt wins and I guess Orton in the Wyatt family is a real thing and not just Orton trying to trick them for a month or so?
- With the brand split there are a few moments where you get opponents you wouldn't normally see. I got excited when Enzo and Cass were in the ring with Slater and Rhyno (although that would be much better on the mic) and of course when Rollins and Styles were in the ring together. That's probably their number 1 dream match that doesn't include part timers?

Stuff I didn't like:
- Nia Jax's first loss is on a throw away 10 women tag? And she taps out? Naomi and Nia were fighting outside and they gave Naomi the protected countout elimination but not Nia? Huh? I'm glad Becky got a moment though.
- I actually really like Corbin, he should have been in the ten man match, but the whole beating up little guys does nobody any good.
- Cruiserweights don't go to Smackdown.
- So many inconsistencies with the rules. Stroman is eliminated by countout but later everybody is outside the ring for like 10 minutes. KO gets eliminated by DQ but Ambrose coming back and Harper showing up is allowed?
- As people said, Shane was ridiculous.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.89
Brock getting squashed by Goldberg couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.65
KO's elimination was an obvious botch by Jojo, and they just kinda rolled with it to cover it up. I went through the elimination like the Zapruder film this morning:

-AJ hits KO on the apron.
-KO retrieves the list and hits AJ with it twice.
-Ref says "That's enough!" but makes no motion to disqualify anyone.
-KO says to AJ, "You wanna hit me?!" then hits the Popup Powerbomb. (Ref yelling "Nooo!")
-Ref grabs KO and says "You're outta here! Outta the ring!"
-At that same moment, Jojo announces "Kevin Owens has been eliminated!"
-Ref turns around and yells "No no no!" while making the "wave off" motion. He says something unintelligible toward the time keeper, but I can make out, "Out!"
-Ref turns back to KO, tells him "You're out!," then turns back toward the time keeper and quickly says, "He's disqualified."
-Jericho and the ref quickly talk to each other before Jericho moves on to being horrified about The List.

So, yeah, Jericho was probably supposed to be eliminated after getting upset over Kevin ruining his list, but Jojo jumping the gun ruined the order of things.

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I liked the show as a whole though, weird booking aside. Takeover blew it out of the water on a pure wrestling scale (When doesn't Takeover do that?), but Survivor Series hit all the entertainment notes well.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.35
Nous ne nous pouvons pas sortir.
    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    The Shield are magic when in proximity to each other, and I ask again to imagine a delayed break-up angle where The Shield steps up to save WWE from Brock (protecting Roman while he gets his feet under him), or a not-bungled Bullet Club/NJPW/Indy invasion angle where WWE has to turn to The Shield to save the company from Shane's upstarts. Or Rollins getting to come back as a face and not spend a month begging the crowd to stop cheering for him for a month before asking them to cheer for him again.
I enjoy the idea of Daniel Bryan turning to a face Bad News Barrett and reforming The Nexus to deal with the Authority/Evolution before losing control of them and being forced to team up with the Shield before the combined chaos of the Wyatt family/Nexus implodes the WWE Universe.

Bad things:
-The Survivor Series, as others have pointed out, made no sense storyline or character wise and a lot of the elimnations were dumb.
-Did not care about Goldberg then, do not care now
-Oh look a tall dude disrupted a cruiserweight match. This is a thing I do not miss about WCW.
-Why didn't Shane Coast to Coast into a Superman Punch which is far, far, FAR less likely to concuss or kill him?

Good things:
-Miz versus Zane proves again Miz is the most underrated worker they have.
-The Usos are straight fire as heels.
-Cesaro. Everything Cesaro. His dive to the outside, running uppercut to the timekeeper's table, and run to the opposite turnbuckle to climb it happened in like 10 seconds.
-Alexa Bliss's insanity howl before fearlessly charging Nia Jax. Tiny but fierce indeed.
-Prematch men's graphics:
Kevin Owens "Universal Champion"
Chris Jericho "Kevin's Best Friend"
-Everybody hates Roman.
-Shield reunion.
-Wyatt family continues to own the Shield despite losing to everyone else ever.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.43
I did like the idea that the only people who came thru for Daniel Bryan's SmackDown Live! were his good friends the Miz and the Wyatt Family. The Miz might bring this up a time or two.



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.75
I disliked the finish to the cruiser weight match because well doh. But I don't hate that Corbin did it. Because it's consistent with his behavior AND the talk he had with Bryan in the back where he basically said "eeew..I don't want to see other tiny guys" So I'm sure this will lead to something somehow at some point.

Women's match was fine. Possibly a bit under what I expected but I dunno what I expected if that makes sense.
Bayley basically winning it for the team only to have Charlotte destoy her and take the glory makes sense.
(No problems with Sasha getting eliminated early tho. Variation is good)

Miz winning is fine, the way it happened was okay. Sort of original though I kinda thought that Maryse rang the bell as a way of throwing in the towel.

I liked the New Day going out early, because it kind of meant that things would be different sorta (not even sure what I mean) I didn't expect the Uso's to be the last SD team. Btw, those suplexes by Jordan and Gable were things of beauty.

Lesnar - Goldberg wow. I didn't expect that at all. But loved it. It shakes up the status quo.

The men's SS match was pure chaos. In general the action was alright with lots of storyline stuff thrown in as well.
Shane's punches and footwork are ridiculous. That botch was crazy. Funny thing is the ref had the presence of mind to register the shoulders not being down even though obviously they were supposed to be down and he could've counted.
I thought at first maybe he broke something but since they walked him out I guess it isn't that bad (apparently a concussion maybe?)
AJ and Seth both worked hard. Owens and Jericho did well too. And yeah I totally feared Roman going through everyone but thank you Randy Orton for sticking with Bray and helping him win.

Not the best wrestling and such but I do think the show had a big time feel with all the 'fantasy warfare and infighting' and I was entertained all night.
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