Originally posted by jivesoulbroI assumed this was real and not scripted. Maybe I'm naive. And assuming it was not scripted, it was very uncool of Bryan to come after Miz like that, publicly and with his wife right there. If Miz's style is good enough for WWE to employ him and he goes into the ring several times a week, where there is danger in any match, then I'm sorry but he's not a coward.
If it's a work, then I don't see the point of it. Miz just won his title match clean. He's held that belt and defended it for months. Are they really going to say now that wrestling style is more important than wins and losses? If so, they are veering way too far toward trying to please the "you deserve it" crowd. You can't make it about your wrestling style and then expect the crowd to care at all about wins and losses. I just don't think it works.
WWE itself has been plugging this waaay too hard for it to be anything other than a work. Also - if it's on TV (or the Network, I guess), then it's a work. And it's a good one, because it's got an element of realism to it that most of the stuff they do doesn't have. It's not that style is more important than wins, which was exactly Miz's point, it's that Bryan just doesn't think much of him as a former competitor himself. He doesn't respect Miz's craftsmanship, for lack of a better word, and Miz doesn't get why because he wins all the time. It's not about style, it's about a personal conflict between Bryan and Miz. Now, where that goes, considering Bryan's out, I don't know. But at least they've got my attention, which Smackdown Live has not been able to do so far.
The Miz is as strong or as good as the way he's booked. A year ago I was ready to write him off. I did fast forward his bits as much as I could. But the last few months and especially since Maryse is back, he's been great. He might not be the best in the ring but he can hang with them. He seems one of those guys who is actually better in longer matches where he can tell a story.
I have to assume this is scripted but boy was that fire real. His eyes were full of it. And you can tell it did something to Bryan too. When he tried to come back saying he isn't allowed to wrestle there was passion there too. For both their sanity I hope they talked about this and had a beer afterwards laughing it off because wow...
Anyways, not sure how they can actually use this for the Miz, but I hope they find a way. Maybe it's the Miz who will start challenging 'random Indy guys' until Daniel finally finds someone who is up to the task.
I feel this was a loosely scripted event. They gave them bullet points but let them fill in the blanks. The best line in all of this is Miz telling Bryan to his face "This is the last title you held Danial." They should of focused on that more. Miz should of said it was his last title you will ever have held for the rest of your life. Its like Danial got dumped by his girlfriend and went celibate, while Miz is going around bragging about banging his ex right in his face. He drafted the IC title, not the man holding it, but now has to live with his choice of The Miz. He selfishly let his last Wrestlemania moment persuade his judgement for self interest and its eating him up every minute The Miz has that belt. His belt.
I think the funniest thing about all of this is that the most 'talked about' thread on this board is about an event that didn't happen on any of the major weekly shows about a wrestler that didn't appear in any of them who is the title holder to a dead belt.
Given WWE's history with these things, I'm pretty sure in a few months, all of this will be forgotten and he'll be feuding with Curt Hawkins or whatever.
Kevin Kelly: "Mr. Austin, would you like to comment on Wade Keller's Take that endorsing the XFL hurts your anti-authority character?"
Steve Austin: "Oh shit, he actually said that? I thought the boys in the back were ribbing me!"
Kelly: "No, he really said that. Did they tell you the part about you sitting in the stands, looking all skeptical?"
Austin: "AHAHAHAHAHAHA. Yeah... oh man that was too much."
Originally posted by It's FalseThis company asked Daniel Bryan to come back. Daniel Bryan isn't begging for a job and he was perfectly content to just walk away forever, no matter how much it still obviously pains him to be around and not be able to compete.
So fuck this wretched company for continuing to rub his retirement in his face. Between the Miz promo this week and the Slater concussion "rib" last week, I want to see Daniel Bryan walk away and never come back. He doesn't need or deserve this kind of shit after he basically scrambled his brain into oatmeal for them.
This hits a nerve more and more as I think about it. Dude was reportedly depressed to the point that he couldn't even be around wrestling without feeling down...so let's yank him back into it, put him on commentary in front of his favorite style in the world(CWC), and then have Miz call him a quitter and coward on top of that.
I wasn't wanting to see him back at all for those reasons, and I didn't think it was in WWE's best interests to have him back on TV. Bryan's popularity could potentially overshadow the active performers...though it's definitely in WWE's wheelhouse to have the non-wrestling authority figure take precedence over the regular wrestlers.
Dude, you're talking about a company that has people feud with their ex-girlfriend & the guy she cheated on him with as an angle. You're talking about the company that'll make your brother's death into an angle. Wanting to wrestle & not being able to because of medical reasons is fair as fair game comes for an angle in this business.
Originally posted by It's FalseThis company asked Daniel Bryan to come back. Daniel Bryan isn't begging for a job and he was perfectly content to just walk away forever, no matter how much it still obviously pains him to be around and not be able to compete.
So fuck this wretched company for continuing to rub his retirement in his face. Between the Miz promo this week and the Slater concussion "rib" last week, I want to see Daniel Bryan walk away and never come back. He doesn't need or deserve this kind of shit after he basically scrambled his brain into oatmeal for them.
This hits a nerve more and more as I think about it. Dude was reportedly depressed to the point that he couldn't even be around wrestling without feeling down...so let's yank him back into it, put him on commentary in front of his favorite style in the world(CWC), and then have Miz call him a quitter and coward on top of that.
Nobody "yanked" Daniel Bryan into anything. They offered, and he accepted. If he wanted to stay gone, he could've. Nobody's holding anything over this guy. It's his choice, and if he doesn't like the angle or the working conditions, it's his choice to quit, which retired guys have done before.
Originally posted by Tenken347Nobody "yanked" Daniel Bryan into anything. They offered, and he accepted. If he wanted to stay gone, he could've. Nobody's holding anything over this guy. It's his choice, and if he doesn't like the angle or the working conditions, it's his choice to quit, which retired guys have done before.
Well... except he's under contract. He can't just quit the contract.
He can choose to stay home and not participate - they can't drag him to arenas at gunpoint - but if he sits out, they have the option to extend the contract to make up for the lost time, like they did with Rey Mysterio. So if he wants to work off his contract so he can be freed up to do other things, he has to show up.
Originally posted by Tenken347Nobody "yanked" Daniel Bryan into anything. They offered, and he accepted. If he wanted to stay gone, he could've. Nobody's holding anything over this guy. It's his choice, and if he doesn't like the angle or the working conditions, it's his choice to quit, which retired guys have done before.
Well... except he's under contract. He can't just quit the contract.
He can choose to stay home and not participate - they can't drag him to arenas at gunpoint - but if he sits out, they have the option to extend the contract to make up for the lost time, like they did with Rey Mysterio. So if he wants to work off his contract so he can be freed up to do other things, he has to show up.
I did not know that. I had assumed termination of his contract upon his retirement. That was silly; I should know this business better by now.
If Bryan's enjoying himself, by all means he should stay, but I don't want to see him in the ring again. It's not worth it.
And I wish WWE would permanently ban the Diving Headbutt off the top rope. Evidently they learned nothing from the Chris Benoit tragedy. Of course Daniel's suffered multiple concussions!
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It must be really hard to go back to something that you obviously love and have to just stand on the side and watch. Having comments made just make that a lot harder. He should never come back, and I don't think that people would be comfortable watching a match with him and someone who is targeting his neck and Bryan selling, well hopefully selling, as that would be hard to watch. There is a difference between being involved in watching a match and feeling really uncomfortable and worried about one of the wrestlers. It's not the same as a Brock match although some of those are getting hard to watch and enjoy.
I'm babbling - sorry. I've had a couple of glasses of wine and a few shots of whisky so probably am not making a lot of sense!
I don't know what the exact deal is, but take anything posted on those Forbes sites with a lot of grains of salt. They're not edited by the magazine people, they're (approved?) bloggers using it as a platform.
Like just about everything else, Bryan returning is a Vince decision. Vince was the one who said he wouldn't allow him back in the ring - doctors advised, but it's up to Vince to decide which doctors to go with. There's only the chance of Bryan returning in that Vince himself might change his mind.
Originally posted by kellogsIt must be really hard to go back to something that you obviously love and have to just stand on the side and watch. Having comments made just make that a lot harder. He should never come back, and I don't think that people would be comfortable watching a match with him and someone who is targeting his neck and Bryan selling, well hopefully selling, as that would be hard to watch. There is a difference between being involved in watching a match and feeling really uncomfortable and worried about one of the wrestlers. It's not the same as a Brock match although some of those are getting hard to watch and enjoy.
I'm babbling - sorry. I've had a couple of glasses of wine and a few shots of whisky so probably am not making a lot of sense!
On the contrary: It makes perfect sense. The reason I watch wrestling but not MMA or boxing is that the wrestlers aren't actually trying to hurt one another. A Bryan match, as with Lesnar matches, I'm not sure of.
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Originally posted by kellogsIt must be really hard to go back to something that you obviously love and have to just stand on the side and watch. Having comments made just make that a lot harder. He should never come back, and I don't think that people would be comfortable watching a match with him and someone who is targeting his neck and Bryan selling, well hopefully selling, as that would be hard to watch. There is a difference between being involved in watching a match and feeling really uncomfortable and worried about one of the wrestlers. It's not the same as a Brock match although some of those are getting hard to watch and enjoy.
I'm babbling - sorry. I've had a couple of glasses of wine and a few shots of whisky so probably am not making a lot of sense!
On the contrary: It makes perfect sense. The reason I watch wrestling but not MMA or boxing is that the wrestlers aren't actually trying to hurt one another. A Bryan match, as with Lesnar matches, I'm not sure of.