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When did lotjx become a producer?
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A genuine masterwork. Deserves to be as viral as RKOutofnowhere.
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My jaw fell a bit with the Punk lawsuit and the IC title changes parts.
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Fantastic! This should be a real thing.




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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.36
    Originally posted by JimBob Skeeter


    When did lotjx become a producer?


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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.53
This is tremendous.

What are the chances that Vince sees this and punishes everyone in it?

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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.42
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    This is tremendous.

    What are the chances that Vince sees this and punishes everyone in it?




These appear to be interviews from the (real) WCW documentary, edited to make it appear about WWE, so that wouldn't do him much good. I'm surprised they haven't had it taken down yet.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.81
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    I'm surprised they haven't had it taken down yet.


still less than a day. And it's snowing. Give him to the end of today



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.27
I think he's waiting for someone to make a counterpoint to this, like how Raw still has good ratings, the WWE has ties to the Daily Show and thus the hippest audience in television, or how there were times in the past where the WWE absolutely was bombing compared to today.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
    Originally posted by Lexus
    I think he's waiting for someone to make a counterpoint to this, like how Raw still has good ratings, the WWE has ties to the Daily Show and thus the hippest audience in television, or how there were times in the past where the WWE absolutely was bombing compared to today.


I know many get a kick out of things like this and it's semi-entertaining but it's also one of the reasons why I've steered clear of the young wrestling fans online so often over the past 10 years.

The whole idea is quite so obviously wrong yet has so many on so many sites proclaiming it not as a funny joke but as a reflection of reality that it's irritating.

People don't like that their favourite wrestler is being cheated by an undeserving heel. In days gone past, this means that they would buy a ticket. Now it means that they are suggesting the company is in financial peril.

This newer generation of wrestling fans have become so entitled and the WWE has its own cross to bear in as much as how it created this situation by pandering to them over the past 10 years rather than creating compelling storylines. The audience no longer trusts the WWE brand to deliver what they want.

They seemingly trust NXT though, a WWE ran program so you can argue that it's not really the company that they don't trust but they project every single issue they have, real or imagined, onto Vince McMahon in the same way people do with their political leaders if their garbage collection isn't on time.

The WWE combined with the dirtsheet culture where apparently now Meltzer and Keller are legitimate sources instead of viewed through the lens of a rumour factory like they used to be, talking about wrestling in most places on the internet has become tedious. And the legitimacy given to this video as anything more than an entertaining joke is a big reason as to why.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.49
Other than the ME of WMXXX, does any of you remember Vince pandering to anyone at all during his time as king of WWE?
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.27
    Originally posted by JimBob Skeeter
    Other than the ME of WMXXX, does any of you remember Vince pandering to anyone at all during his time as king of WWE?


Does the return of Matt Hardy count?

And really, pandering? I don't want to watch a pandering product. The NFL doesn't pander to me; dare I say it the more people it pisses off, the more viewers you can expect. MLB doesn't pander to me; I'm a Yankees fan, which doesn't even exist to most broadcasters. Saturday Night Live doesn't pander to me; imagine how absolutely boring and creepy it would be if it did?

If Vince McMahon should pander to anyone, it's the men and women to literally beat themselves up nightly in his ring; the status of that is of high debate by others who frankly know better/are highly jilted. (Personally, it looks like he does that and has no problem doing so if he has the scope of it.)

To be on point, the WWE is in no danger whatsoever; this video is kinda goofy, but absolutely surreal. The only threat to the WWE's business is nil. Furthermore, WWE only gets better as Wrestling gains popularity, which again, on the whole that's on the rise as well, considering I have my pick of 5 different acronyms/programs (WWE, NXT, TNA, Lucha Underground, and ROH) which is strictly MORE than the Monday Night Wars. That doesn't mean a watered down product, that doesn't mean the WWE isn't what it used to be (It still is, right down to Pat Patterson). It just means there are more viral outlets to voice displeasure with a particular measure or direction the storylines took, which means people will actively seek or create notions of failure and destruction rather than have concrete proof. These can come from ratings comparisons over a time period as explained by someone who is absolutely not a statistician, to reports of the personalities and psychologies of WWE talent as explained by someone who is absolutely not a psychologist, or even WWE business decisions and principles by someone who is absolutely not a businessman, nor an accountant, nor a promoter.

If you look at WWE stock behaviors since they went public, it's a solid pattern that holds rather well.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.53
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
      Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
      This is tremendous.

      What are the chances that Vince sees this and punishes everyone in it?




    These appear to be interviews from the (real) WCW documentary, edited to make it appear about WWE, so that wouldn't do him much good. I'm surprised they haven't had it taken down yet.


No, I get it ... I can just see him not getting it
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.05
    Originally posted by Lexus
    as Wrestling gains popularity, which again, on the whole that's on the rise as well, considering I have my pick of 5 different acronyms/programs (WWE, NXT, TNA, Lucha Underground, and ROH) which is strictly MORE than the Monday Night Wars


NBC Universal, internet stream, Destination America, El Rey, Sinclair Broadcasting. There are people paying for preferred cable tiers who get none of those shows besides WWE.

Short of 2001, when their booking took them from Attitude to Splatitude at record speeds, and 2007, when a hole was driven through their drug policy so wide that even dim bulbs like cable news talking heads and congressmen could punk them out, if there was ever a year for a parody video poking fun at them it's this one. You've got the Network's unprepared 2 steps forward 2 steps back launch and collar-tugging quarterly updates, the 3hr Raw oversaturation setting in to dead crowds and ratings comfortably in the 2's for football-free Mania season, the booking for back-to-back Wrestlemania main events flopping loudly, the long-awaited salvation from diehard fans' anathema John Cena arriving as a tepid act who unlike Cena never even got hot to begin with, the loss of support of renowned company optimist and apologist Justin Shapiro on a message board, and the CM Punk fiasco that emblematizes all of the issues in one handy little passion play.

Jon Stewart being on Raw gets you a 15-second clip for the "WWE is nice :)" sizzle reel they play before press events. Raw being on Raw tanks the Raw ratings after two hours.

WWE isn't going out of business. They're stable and they'll probably have a real strong March. But their TV shows bleeds viewers from beginning to end, their network subscription base is still like 50% short of projections, and their audiences only seem to be engaged when they're rejecting something, so maybe they've earned a funny video at their expense, especially one drawn from their own documentary hubristically dancing on the graves of the dumb ass dummies from their competition.
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.27
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro

    NBC Universal, internet stream, Destination America, El Rey, Sinclair Broadcasting. There are people paying for preferred cable tiers who get none of those shows besides WWE.


To be fair, most of the Sinclair affiliates are local networks on free TV. Granted, I had to configure a DVR to catch it consistently when it's on some time during/after Saturday Night Live (Usually it's about 12:45-1:45), but still free.

Also, the above sentence could also be rewritten "Internet stream, internet stream, internet stream, internet stream, internet stream", but I digress.

Besides that, I agree wholeheartedly with your whole post. Regardless, short of government interference, NOTHING is going to put the WWE under, even if 2014/15 is as lousy as 2004/05 (when I took a hiatus from watching until 2011) or '94/'95 (where a diminished product actually helped WCW gain a bigger foothold). So, yes, I believe there could be an episode of Raw where it's actually all one huge kitten drowning rally, or where every segment is an adaptation of the Aristocrats with WWE talent engaging in the most gruesome/grotesque/visceral acts imaginable on live TV with no real aim to entertain, and Raw would truck on.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.29
Tremendously entertaining.
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.19
    Originally posted by Damocles
      Originally posted by Lexus
      I think he's waiting for someone to make a counterpoint to this, like how Raw still has good ratings, the WWE has ties to the Daily Show and thus the hippest audience in television, or how there were times in the past where the WWE absolutely was bombing compared to today.


    I know many get a kick out of things like this and it's semi-entertaining but it's also one of the reasons why I've steered clear of the young wrestling fans online so often over the past 10 years.

    The whole idea is quite so obviously wrong yet has so many on so many sites proclaiming it not as a funny joke but as a reflection of reality that it's irritating.

    People don't like that their favourite wrestler is being cheated by an undeserving heel. In days gone past, this means that they would buy a ticket. Now it means that they are suggesting the company is in financial peril.

    This newer generation of wrestling fans have become so entitled and the WWE has its own cross to bear in as much as how it created this situation by pandering to them over the past 10 years rather than creating compelling storylines. The audience no longer trusts the WWE brand to deliver what they want.

    They seemingly trust NXT though, a WWE ran program so you can argue that it's not really the company that they don't trust but they project every single issue they have, real or imagined, onto Vince McMahon in the same way people do with their political leaders if their garbage collection isn't on time.

    The WWE combined with the dirtsheet culture where apparently now Meltzer and Keller are legitimate sources instead of viewed through the lens of a rumour factory like they used to be, talking about wrestling in most places on the internet has become tedious. And the legitimacy given to this video as anything more than an entertaining joke is a big reason as to why.

The sadder commentary is that the video is disregarded, by some, as nothing more than an entertaining joke instead of recognized for a creative work that saliently and concisely displays the issues that most fans have with the current creative direction of WWE programming. If a real person created this, it is a reflection of reality. It becomes increasingly difficult to "buy a ticket" when the undeserving heel that is holding down favorite wrestlers is the company itself.
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.05
    Originally posted by Lexus
    Also, the above sentence could also be rewritten "Internet stream, internet stream, internet stream, internet stream, internet stream", but I digress.


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