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#61 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.69
    Originally posted by Hokienautic
    I did not watch -- can someone tell me how they handled the end of the match re: Rusev? Did they ring the bell and declare Reigns the winner, and only after that Rusev came back in? I wonder if they might be doing that to have a Fast Lane match between the two to try to get even more of a rub on Reigns? Would the fans shit on him ending Rusev's undefeated streak?

No bell. No announcement. He pointed to the sign and the announcers sold his win. Then Rusev popped up out of nowhere.

Likely no Rusev/Reigns, as they set up Rusev/Cena on the post-show.



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#62 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.88
    Originally posted by SchippeWreck

    No bell. No announcement. He pointed to the sign and the announcers sold his win. Then Rusev popped up out of nowhere.

    Likely no Rusev/Reigns, as they set up Rusev/Cena on the post-show.


Gotcha, thanks. What did they do to set up Rusev-Cena?
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#63 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.02
I was there too and I don't have time to recap everything but that ending that you can see up there in the header was just Complete Disconnect from the crowd around them...very surreal, like they couldn't even hear the deafening boos. The boos for Reigns started when they showed him in the montage opening credits - the crowd knew he was going to win and did NOT want it. I was sure this was what was going to happen if Bryan (or a suitable replacement) didn't win...

And again, I also feel bad for Reigns because if they had just kept him as this asskicker-of-few-words, he'd be in SUCH a better position right now...
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#64 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.69
    Originally posted by Hokienautic
      Originally posted by SchippeWreck

      No bell. No announcement. He pointed to the sign and the announcers sold his win. Then Rusev popped up out of nowhere.

      Likely no Rusev/Reigns, as they set up Rusev/Cena on the post-show.


    Gotcha, thanks. What did they do to set up Rusev-Cena?

Cena was giving a quiet, sincere promo putting Brock over, and Rusev knocked him aside to commandeer the mic and scream. They went nose to nose and were pulled apart by the locker room.



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#65 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.59
I don't feel bad for Reigns, we're only mad at him winning because we hate our own lives. I do feel bad for Rollins and Lesnar. That title match was amazing and it's basically going to be a footnote because of the Rumble that followed it and the Lesnar/Reigns match that comes from it.

They wasted at least a year and a half of Lesnar, the Night of Champions match was functionally retconned out of existence (the Rumble match picked up directly where Summerslam left off, with no sign of "Brock Lesnar was about to tap!" in the middle) and the "special attraction" idea, while sound in theory, was terrible in execution, but Brock Lesnar delivers. In the ring, he is what they made Andre feel like in the build to Wrestlemania III. You want to do a rarely appearing, special attraction champ build-up? You do it so that everyone is either dead or afraid to be #1 contender, and Brock is so good at what he does that every guy on that roster can sell it and not lose face. Catching Rollins on his shoulders, almost going down and recovering to deliver the F5 was nuts, and he just routinely does stuff like that and still stays in character.

And Seth Rollins might have been better. The elbow through the table on Brock was one of the most perfect things I've seen in wrestling, saving the Phoenix Splash for the false finish was amazing and my favorite part that I hope gets more love was Rollins flipping through the German Suplex to land on his feet and come right back at Lesnar. Guy was in there with the two biggest clutch performers they have and looked as good or better than both.

(No knock on Cena's work in the match, but because of the way it was set up and his role in it, he wasn't doing nearly the amount of 'holy shit' work that Rollins and Lesnar did. He did fine on the psychology stuff of teaming with Rollins to slow Brock down and all that. Just a distant third because of the level the other two were on.)

That Rumble though. Wow. Even taking away the ending, I thought was poorly-planned garbage. None of the returns or eliminations until the end made any impact or seem to have set anything up.
-Bryan's elimination was so, so, so bad. No sympathy for a company that books that and thinks it's OK. I have no idea what the thinking is there. People are going to be mad about him getting eliminated no matter when it happens, so why do it in a way that gets nobody any heat and do it so early that you lose the crowd for half of the main event? Is it going to be Wyatt/Bryan at Wrestlemania? Really? And if not, then what? Like, just go ahead and fire the Daniel Bryan Joins The Authority torpedo now. Might as well!
-Goldust and Stardust are in there together for a while and do nothing with each other, so I guess we still don't get that match?
-The Miz/Mizdow spot should have been way better (why not have them in the ring together and have Miz eliminated to do the "Does Mizdow eliminate himself?" spot, then have Miz demand they switch out? Instead, Mizdow's run meant nothing.
-Dudley was a good surprise, but now what? A Dudleys vs. Wyatts feud would have at least been something for Wrestlemania, but there's only one Dudley and one Wyatt now.
-Why have Rowan not qualify but basically be in the match, then book that mess of a Wyatt Family Explodes spot where it's Rowan/Harper vs. Wyatt, fakeout, Harper/Wyatt vs. Rowan, then Wyatt just casually eliminates Harper anyway and it means nothing?
-Ambrose, The Big Guy and especially Ziggler were basically treated like meaningless bags of garbage. If they didn't want Bryan to win, Ziggler was the guy. Dolph's Hero of WWE push amounted to nothing (who does he even get at WM now? Kane? Show?). Brock vs. Dolph (Machine That Can Not Be Killed vs. Man Who Will Not Die!) is a much, much better match than Brock vs. Reigns.
-That ending. They accidentally turned The Rock heel!.They had to turn Reigns' music up so loud and keep it playing to try to drown out the booing. Any "maybe they're being super smart and doing this on purpose?" speculation has to die with that, there's no way they do that "Rock leaves Reigns to bask in the glory, Reigns stands there and points at the exploding Wrestlemania sign" while the announcers ignore the crowd and try to talk over Reigns' music bit if they have even an inkling of how volcaninc that crowd reaction is going to be.
-Dear Randy Orton: With endless love, we left you sleeping. Now we're sleeping with you. Don't wake up.

Post Show!

-Cena/Rusev at Wrestlemania it is. And we get that because...Rusev wanders into a weird Cena interview and Cena pushes him on the shoulder. I love it, Maggle!
-That whole post-show was nuts. I'd love to know what was going on backstage, because it seemed like it was chaos. If it's still up, check out the lead-in to that Cena/Rusev bit where Tom Phillips has to pull a Hannah Storm and push Cena's hand out of the shot while people are yelling at each other off camera.
-Rock/Reigns in the tunnel probably deserves the Zapruder Film treatment we've given other recent trainwreck moments. Just painful minutes of The Rock trying everything to save it all and Reigns in total shellshock. I never saw how Reigns got busted open, but I'm going to assume that blood in his mouth was from his mighty heart breaking. Those UK fans who go to and form synchronized lynch mobs at Wrestlesmania are going to eat that dude alive if they go ahead with Brock/Reigns.

I think what I really want to see more than anything is Rock and Austin meeting up, doing their Secret Super Best Friends Handshake and Austin explaining to a confused, dejected Rock what went wrong.

Final verdict: Rollins is cool, Lesnar is cool, Reigns/Lesnar and Cena/Rusev ain't even worth ten dollars.
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#66 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.32
I couldn't even get mad about Bryan's elimination. It was just like "Oh...that happened. Guess Reigns is winning, then."



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#67 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.26
To quote the Philosopher King, Randy Savage; "the cream will rise to the top!"

Which I guess makes it interesting how Rollins, when handed the ball, has essentially put entire shows/segments on his back and become the #1 heel in the company. Reigns is given the ball, he flubs promos, has matches that pale in comparison.

As always Doc, you distilled many thoughts in an erudite fashion which I agree with.



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#68 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.19
    Originally posted by StingArmy
    Bad booking or no, that Philly crowd was atrocious for the last hour. "Our guy didn't win so we're going to throw a tantrum until it's time to go home." I get showing your displeasure, but they booed everything that moved not named Rock or Ambrose.
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    Originally posted by wannaberockstar

    Sorry but paying for a ticket doesn't give you carte blanche to act like an idiotic toddler.

I agree with this if you're talking about a legitimate athletic competition. But in this case, the only competition involved is for fan reaction. Fan reaction makes money. Normal business people write stories that make audiences want to spend a lot of money. This is not a company run by normal business people. They are putting on a show. The creative direction of that show is fucking terrible. Fucking terrible things deserve to be jeered loudly by paying audiences, because:
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad

    Vince has purposely destroyed the sport perception. He always wanted to be legitimate entertainment. So now when the right people don't win people don't react to it like their team lost; they react to it like unwelcome plot twists being shat on by cunty IMDB posters. That's your sports entertainment audience, Vince. You wanted it. Now you're livin' with it.

Exactly this. There is no more illusion that any of this is real. And since none of it is real, there is no logical reason why any of us (the collective the-w.com internet us) should care any more about any of this than we do about what Santa Claus is doing at any given moment. We are not the audience they want, we were never supposed to be the audience for as long as we have been. This is made for children. We should have all stopped at around 10-12 years old and we would all be much happier.

The worst part is what has happened to Cesaro. They have fucked with him so much in the last 10 months that the audience is indifferent to him. He was swinging Ziggler with everything he had and it barely raised a collective eyebrow. That's the real shame. You had a guy who was primed and ready to take the brass rings you care so much about and you slashed his tires for no reason. Consistent overwhelming crowd response should dictate creative direction. But it's the same old shit with Vince. He's got his guy, everyone else has theirs, and he's the one with all the power so his guy is it. And we keep coming back. We're all very, very dumb.
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#69 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.62

    Originally posted by lotjx

    Giants never win the Rumble, what are you watching Eddie?



Not what I posted at all.




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#70 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.02
    Originally posted by Stefonics
    The worst part is what has happened to Cesaro. They have fucked with him so much in the last 10 months that the audience is indifferent to him. He was swinging Ziggler with everything he had and it barely raised a collective eyebrow. That's the real shame. You had a guy who was primed and ready to take the brass rings you care so much about and you slashed his tires for no reason.


Cesaro did get a great reaction in the pre-show match vs. the New Day, he was the star of it. By the time he came in to the Rumble, the crowd a.) was already deflated and b.) already saw him do his thing at the top of the show.
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#71 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.64
    Originally posted by wannaberockstar
    The worst thing about this Rumble was the God awful crowd, tbh. I mean why does the WWE even go to Philly when they know the crowd is just going to be insufferable idiots? They boo when Reigns doesn't win and then boo when he does? Whatever...


I think there's a huge difference in the crowd reaction last year and the one this year and WWE's booking of this event proves that they knew exactly what kind of reaction Reigns was going to get.

Last year, nobody wanted Batista to win and Reigns got cheered by virtue of being the anti-Batista. Reigns would have got a pop if he won last year, but WWE still would have found itself in the same disaster they're about to find themselves in this year because, fundamentally, Reigns isn't ready and lacks the connection past main eventers have.

This year, Reigns got booed because it's been a year, WWE has made basically everyone look bad to make Reigns look good, and fans universally have rejected that booking style. There's no reason why Ambrose and Bryan couldn't still look strong in this even if Reigns had to win.

And yeah, it's Philly, so they're obviously going to be louder than anywhere else in the world, but tonight they were justified and I'm not sure this reaction wouldn't have happened anywhere else. It probably wouldn't have been as good, though.


I don't feel bad for Reigns, but I do feel bad for The Rock. He genuinely seemed disappointed he couldn't get Reigns over. A lot of Reigns' push is based solely on his relation to The Rock and using him as a way to coax The Rock back for another big match, but in order for that to be one, Reigns has to live up to his end of the deal and so far he just hasn't shown himself to be the other half needed for ROCK vs REIGNS to be a big match we all want to see.

Reigns needs a heel turn. Rock should know this more than anyone.

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#72 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.06
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Connecticut's announced a travel ban for 9 PM tonight. That should pretty much put the kibosh on RAW, and Smackdown's probably dead too. It's gonna be great watching WWE get slaughtered in the media for the whole week with them having no opportunity for damage control, and they'll deserve every moment of it.



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While the switch from Cena to RVD should alleviate some complaints, the inevitability of the belt's return to Cena (note where Summerslam is this year) and the poor initial showing by the new ECW are enough to keep the indicator where it is for now. The pieces are in place, though, especially on RAW, for improvements to be made to the IWC's psyche in the near future.
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#73 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.36
    Originally posted by wannaberockstar
      Originally posted by lotjx
      You can argue the shitty Divas match along with the utter waste of time Ascension/NOA match devalued their tickets.


    You can also argue that the sky is green and the grass is blue; doesn't make it true, though.

      Originally posted by lotjx
      I would rather have those type of fans instead of the fashionably late Florida or LA fans. I would rather have those fans than the sit on their hands Midwest or the Texas fans who only pop for some ass in a cowboy hat or one of their own accent. Its because those fans actually care about the product instead of just happy to be there. For the amount of those tickets, you should get what you pay for.


    You realize that these are the same "fans" that think good wrestling is a dirty bingo hall that was so terrible it went out of business like 15 years ago, right? The same "fans" who think that a Jersey Shore Youtube guy is hilarious in 2015?

    Sorry but paying for a ticket doesn't give you carte blanche to act like an idiotic toddler.


You pay a ticket and you watch your team lose, you can say whatever you want. Because, I am telling you right now, you are not alone in that stadium.

As for that bingo hall, it saved WWE in the 90s by copying what they are doing and preparing same guys named Austin and Foley. Those nobodies. Its also the same approach they are using with NXT which everyone loves. Ryder got himself over which is apparently a big no no. He also had great matches with Ziggler and had one of the biggest Hollywood stars at his who seem to enjoy the fuck out if. Having one of those Hollywood guys enjoy their time at Raw is a miracle in itself.

I think the idea that Pennsylvania gets a Rumble or a big Four PPV is now out the window. So, Philly's plans for WM 33 is DOA. As a resident of the state, let me say, you can keep your shitty PPVS and place them in Ohio or New Jersey or whatever shit hole where no one would want to be caught dead in.



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#74 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.36
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#76 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.88
    Originally posted by Texas Kelly
    Connecticut's announced a travel ban for 9 PM tonight. That should pretty much put the kibosh on RAW, and Smackdown's probably dead too. It's gonna be great watching WWE get slaughtered in the media for the whole week with them having no opportunity for damage control, and they'll deserve every moment of it.


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#77 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.52
    Originally posted by Eddie Famous
      Originally posted by lotjx

      Giants never win the Rumble, what are you watching Eddie?



    Not what I posted at all.



It's totally not what he was saying, but you are also wrong about giants never winning ie Big John Studd, Yokozuna, and Diesel who was being booked as a giant at the time.

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#78 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.50
Has Reigns even worked a singles PPV main event yet? Or delivered an in-ring promo longer than 30 seconds?

I just really don't get it. These are the two things a (working) champ has to do - work 30 minutes+ singles events every month, and do at least a few minutes of in-ring promo work every week.

Who I feel really bad for is Rollins, who has been out there delivering on the mic and the ring on a main-event (or close to it) level for months. Has Reigns even gone 20 minutes one-on-one?

I fully agree with Reigns need a year of lower-level work. Feud him with Rusev or Wyatt over the IC strap. Give him the Money in the Bank briefcase and have him hold it for a while, and have him cash it in honorable John Cena style, but actually have that trick work. With a year to play with, you can do something, & build up his in-ring and mic work.

If your champ hasn't been built up as the most monstrous heel of all monster heels, the call is easier. Let someone proven be a placeholder champ for the next year (or have a few) - call up Goldberg or Angle for a few months, or even the Rock, put the title on Cena or Orton for a while, whatever. Shawn and Bret were basically placeholder champs for Austin for almost a year while he feuded with Owen, and that was a guy with infinitely more main-event and mic experience that Reigns.

The real problem is how to throw Brock's heat onto someone new. I think in WWE-logic, all that takes is someone beating him clean. Oooof.

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#79 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.59
I assumed the Rock match they're setting up is Rock/Reigns vs. Kane/Show for Fastlane, but I guess Reigns/Rock at next year's Wrestlemania could have been the idea. To quote the journalist Steve Austin, the smart move at the end of the show last night would have been for Reigns to "call an audible" and Superman Punch his own cousin in an "I don't need your help" moment to earn that crowd reaction. (Meaning if Vince was half the genius he maybe once was, he'd have sent Rock out there with that play if the crowd didn't buy Rock's save.)

Aside from the obvious, unavoidable conclusion that no one with any power has any idea what people want today, the most immediate takeaway is that, as a training ground, NXT needs to get some people in there who can teach the home-grown, non-indy talent how to actually read and interact with a crowd, hostile or not. I don't know how you simulate a "crowd unexpectedly turns on you, what do you do?" scenario (Virtual Reality Training Center!), but if you don't know how to be a heel suddenly forced to work face and (especially) a face suddenly forced to work heel, you're never going to make it. Rock and Hogan did it. Even Batista had the latter version of that skill in his (incredibly skinny) back pocket. Does Reigns?
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#80 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.19
Serious question that I forgot to ask in my last post: So there are regular (weekly/monthly/quarterly) conference calls that let important, non-McMahon people know how the business is doing from a numbers perspective right? Is there a chance that any of those non-McMahon people watch the shows? And if yes, when do they reach a point where they ask "what the fuck is going on?"

I know that it's a very small sample, but as an outsider watching the crowd reactions to the last two Rumbles, arguably their second most important show of the year, you would think that the villains won. And that's fine as long as those non-McMahons don't ask why those winners got booed out of the building.

Again, all of the people I'm talking about have made and continue to make way more money than I do in the business world. But if one outsider looked at the whole thing and said "wait, those are supposed to be heroes. But apparently they're not the heroes that the crowd wants. Why are we still funding/supporting a company that has clearly lost touch with what their loyal, vocal fan base wants?" would the whole thing topple or can he go back to private mode? Negative crowd responses were bad enough before they went public. But now? Aren't there real consequences involved? And if so, why is Vince still allowed to keep doing Vince things? Since he is the company, how is it possible that he has dropped the ball so often and so spectacularly and is still in his position?
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I definitely agree with you about Steamboat, too. I never liked Steamboat until I was older and could appreciate his matches a little better than when I first saw them. I do have to admit that you make very good points about Bret, though.
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