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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.11
Geez, dudes, even I've watched it by now.

I wish I had some opinions about this show!

Maybe you have some.

(Maybe you'll have some later this morning, or tomorrow, or)



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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.58
Sounds like the ending blew up in their faces.

Thank you. Try the veal.

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EDIT: Ok, fine, I have REAL thoughts, I guess.

So if they were going with THAT ending for the Ambrose/Wyatt match, a main event ending so stupid that it could only send people home unhappy... why did they end with that and not the Cena/Rollins match, which as overbooked as it was, would have at least sent a chunk of the crowd home satisfied? Was Cena dying to watch the Cowboys and Eagles or something?

And speaking of the Cena match, holy cow. How many times am I going to type "This is everything everybody hates about John Cena" this year? For God's sake, Seth Rollins lost that match about 10 times! And he had a 3-on-1 advantage the entire time! You'd think this would at least get him a token win, so he wouldn't look like an inept clod, but that would mean John Cena wouldn't get to Rise Above Hate for the goddamn umpteenth time!

On a positive note, that was a nice pop for Reigns. If there's a train to ride, it may as well be this one. But man, the poor guy just can't cut a babyface promo without some help. In a perfect world, it would have been Rollins getting the babyface treatment while Reigns went heel for the Authority, because Reigns could easily cut a menacing heel promo just fine. The babyface act is rough. Big Daddy Cool rough.

EXAMPLES OF GRABBING THE BRASS RING!
-Rowan looking like a doofus in a gimmick match against Big Show
-Rollins losing in a 3-on-1 situation
-Jack Swagger getting squashed for the hundredth time against Rusev
-AJ losing when she's sprayed by Rick Martel's Arrogance
-Bray Wyatt lucking into a win when Dean Ambrose's TV explodes

That "brass ring" statement is just going to keep looking sillier as time goes on, because this PPV is a textbook case of everything working against the talent.

I don't know about you guys, but I can't really enjoy these kinds of schlockey weapons matches anymore after the Punk podcast. I may be getting soft as I age, but the idea of these guys all killing themselves for virtually no rhyme or reason for storylines that'll be forgotten by tomorrow sounds cruel to me. It'd be one thing if they led to something remotely consequential, but they rarely do anymore.

(edited by It's False on 15.12.14 0118)


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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.18
If I'd started the thread, all it would have said was "The fuck was that?"

I wish my TV had blown up.

    Originally posted by It's False
    How many times am I going to type "This is everything everybody hates about John Cena" this year?


For me, the match was actually everything I've come to hate about Seth Rollins. They've made him such a wiener. He can't beat anyone by himself. And they think they're helping him. They think this makes him seem tough, but also unlikable, like a heel should be. It does not. Seriously, I can think of the win over Orton, but other than that, I don't think he's beaten anyone since the SHIELD broke up. HHH has beaten people for him, J&J have beaten people for him, Kane has beaten lots of people for him, but by himself? Not much.

And of course, I have to compare this event to (R)Evolution, and does it ever come up short on that end. Just look at the main events. One delivered a stellar match and angle by perfectly executing the elementary pieces of a wrestling match. The other had a very good TLC match going on that they completely ruined with a nonsensical bullshit finish, burying two guys in the process. All they had to do was make one guy win because he was better at fighting. They couldn't even get that right.


Y'know what? That IC ladder match was pretty great. I'll give them that one. Two guys fought, it was compelling, it told a story, and at the end, the announcers even managed to put it over as a big deal that Ziggler won. I know they can do this. Why won't they do this right?
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.39
I liked the IC Title match, but a lot of those spots didn't quite land right making the match look dangerous. The worst being Harper getting his arm stuck in the ladder, which I thought he broke.

A lot of the other matches on their own were good, but put them all in one PPV and it all just blurs together and highspots lose their meaning.

The problem I had with the Cena match was Rollins going through the first table. Why do that spot? Why don't the other referees mention this when they are conferring about who won the match?

That tv spot was awful. Maybe it was a recall model.

If this was a TNA PPV, well it kind of felt like a TNA PPV.



(edited by BigDaddyLoco on 15.12.14 0815)
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.36
Some how, some way they found the way to fuck up the fuckable in Dean Ambrose. There is no reason for him to do a half of a year worth of jobs for the stupid reason, it worked for Bryan. When in fact, it didn't work for Bryan that is why they had a near right at the Rumble. The Rumble is Philly not sit on your hands Pittsburgh this year, good luck with that.

Cena is just looking out for Cena. Everyone who goes against him becomes damaged goods. Rollins was probably never going to be the big bad for the WWE. Now, he is another monster on the Cena heap of dead monsters.

Ziggler needs the main event push. He has busted his ass for years and needs to be rewarded. Brock/Ziggler, book it.



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.27
I agree with the take from Scott Keith:


    The big winners: The NXT guys on Thursday night.


There is such a disconnect between the two, it somewhat defies logic. The only thing I can think of is Triple H has total autonomy at Full Sail, and up top you still need to deal with Vince.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.28
    Originally posted by El Nastio
    I agree with the take from Scott Keith:


      The big winners: The NXT guys on Thursday night.


    There is such a disconnect between the two, it somewhat defies logic. The only thing I can think of is Triple H has total autonomy at Full Sail, and up top you still need to deal with Vince.


That, and the difference between NXT having one writer under HHH, where on RAW you've got ~25 guys all trying to out-sports-entertainment each other to show that they're the writer who shouldn't get fired.
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.18
Relevant tweet about last night:




It was definitely a mistake to put NXT so close to TLC(S). No disrespect to any of the workers but the differences between the two, especially the main event, were so painfully obvious, it hurts.

Also, why is AJ losing to the Bella Twins? In no universe should that happen.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.32
Naah, the writers are safe.

The wrestlers would get cut loose for not being able to get over.

"Also, why is AJ losing to the Bella Twins? In no universe should that happen."

In the *WWE* Universe, the Bellas are reality TV stars(who happen to be significant others of WWE's number-one guy and that Daniel Bryan fella) and A.J.'s connected to that malcontent who took his ball and went home.

(edited by PowerPB13 on 15.12.14 0905)


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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.63
I tweeted as much, but I feel like I can't fault the EFFORT of anyone from last night, but there was too much actual pain endured for the mediocre results last night. Ziggler and Harper tried really hard to grab the brass ring set the bar high, but by the end it felt like I had sat through a meh ECW show, so "hey, here's Dean Ambrose about to divebomb Bray Wyatt from a huge ladder onto the Spanish announce table" was kind of just another thing that happened.

IJ was feeling kind of sick so she wasn't even into it. She kind of checked out on the Cena/Rollins match due to her ill feelings and also the "Patriots always lose when I watch so I feel better kind of not really watching and then hearing they are winning"-logic that made perfect sense at the time, but I have to say the one time she really marked out hard was when Roman Reigns' music hit the arena. So there's that, Prince Roman. I wish they'd just let him be himself instead of trying to be superhero-ish on the mic, but whatever.

    Originally posted by wannaberockstar
    Also, why is AJ losing to the Bella Twins? In no universe should that happen.


I thought AJ tried really hard to make this excellent wrestling, and I enjoyed the finish in an old school Mr. Fuji/Tony Garea kind of way. I had a bigger problem with Big Show beating Rowan than Nikki retaining, although me and everyone I follow on Twitter thought they were telegraphing a Brie turn on her sister with their pre-match promo.

There aren't words that articulate how awful the commentary was all night. The guys they should call up from NXT are the ones telling the NXT announce crew how to call matches.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.09
I loved the Ziggler/Harper match, but the rest of the show just wasn't there for me.

I think scheduling a PPV and NXT special so close together is a bad idea, made even worse when the NXT special was so so good.

I'm actually looking forward to the 6 week break that they have built in until the Rumble.










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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.18
    Originally posted by JayJayDean
    I thought AJ tried really hard to make this excellent wrestling, and I enjoyed the finish in an old school Mr. Fuji/Tony Garea kind of way. I had a bigger problem with Big Show beating Rowan than Nikki retaining, although me and everyone I follow on Twitter thought they were telegraphing a Brie turn on her sister with their pre-match promo.


The problem is that AJ does everything she can to make the Divas look good in the ring but know that they'll win and she'll lose just makes me check out. :\

Put AJ in NXT and don't call any of them up because, frankly, you get better women's wrestling in NXT then you would on Raw and I don't want to lose that.
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.05
The television EXPLODED. It exploded.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.20
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    The television EXPLODED. It exploded.


I blame Larry The Cable Guy.

I saw the Ziggler match, got what I wanted, and flipped to the Cowboys game. That's an unintended consequence of moving away from PPVs: These monthly events become disposable. There's no way I would turn the channel on a show I paid $50 for. Now? It's $10 a month, and the show will be there anytime I want to see it if something good happens later. They've turned their events into RAWs. I don't even have to turn on the Network to see the Ambrose prop ending. SBNation has it as a gif (sbnation.com). And there's nothing compelling me to see the rest of TLCS based on that recap and the reviews.



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.21
They need to dump PPVs centered around name gimmick matches. I want a TLC match because a title/item feud has reached a point where excessive violence is the only way to settle it once and for all, not because they decided last October to name the December PPV TLC.

For example, when Undertaker and HHH faced off in Hell In A Cell at WM 29, it made sense and felt organic.

And honestly, I was over tables and ladders before the main event even started.





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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.37
I thought the ladder match was really good. There was no way they could top the Lucha Underground ladder match* from Wednesday in terms of flippy high spots, but going with a much slower paced, flat out brutal, mutual beating was a great choice and it distinguished itself from that other match very well.

The rest of the show was meh. By the main event, I was just asking why. Why would anyone want to watch dangerous stunts that don't accomplish anything storyline-wise? That match (not the booking, the match itself) killed my interest in either competitor, and that's saying something because Bray Wyatt may be my favorite television character of the past decade.

This show solidified my decision to let my network subscription lapse a few months ago. I would gladly pay $5/month to watch NXT, but I can't, in good conscious, spend $9.99 to support this crap.
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.24
After reading some of the reactions online, I guess I'll say this was a better show live because at least we didn't have the horrid announcers. The older daughter thought it was the best of the shows she'd seen live; the younger was *totally* crushed when Luke lost in the opening match. Mizdow helped ameliorate the situation with his antics, but it felt like they missed a lot of 'Boo - YAY' opportunities there too.

Major props to Ziggler for the Manziel Brownie trunks. Especially for still wearing them after Manziel's performance earlier in the day. Ouch.

The best part of the stairs match was the look of 'WTH?' on the lovely Mrs. whatever's face when she heard Rowan's music for the first time.




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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.40
The John Cena booking is eyerolling but was totally expected coming into the show, because it's John Cena and he's fighting Brock and he needs to be the shiny hero-type man going into WrestleMania season. Roman got a monster pop, so that was a plus. Likewise, the Bellas spraying perfume or whatever is dumb, but it's a Divas match and they don't give a shit unless it's happening at Full Sail, so whatevs.

It's just the booking of Show/Rowan and the main event, man. So baldly counterproductive and chickenshit. Why do you put Show over? Who is he working with next, what possible situation is there that justifies putting one of their most bulletproof main eventer types over a brand new face? If Rowan wins that match he get at least two or three months' mileage and goodwill from the crowds out of it. Now he's just back to being a nobody, while Show is likely going to spend the next three months jumping from Rumble to Andre Battle Royal without even working a proper program.

And the finish of the show is just mindboggling. Dean loses because of an exploding TV. Not through any of his own actions. Bray wins because of an exploding TV. Not through any of his own actions. No-one benefits! You may as well just have a congenital heart defect fell Ambrose midway through the match!

I mean, in their warped way of doing things, I get it. They feel like they can't afford to decisively job either guy. The smart-ass answer to that is "don't book a blood feud between two guys who both need a run of wins, dickheads", but let's grant them their wish - this needed some underhandedness in order to book it how they wanted. So book Bray like the heel he is! Have his mouth get busted up and then he can blind Ambrose by spitting his own blood in his eyes or something. If that's too icky, just give him the black mist - he's a weird religious type, and the case of Shango Vs. Ultimate (1992) sets the precedent for icky black mouth excretions in such a scenario. Just something, anything, that involved one man taking the advantage over the other through his own actions, however nefarious said actions may be. All you've done here is deliver a sad trombone of a pay-off that leaves both men exactly where they were when they started this feud, apart from them being a little more beat up for going through a pointless brawl.
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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.64
Bray/Ambrose is a good example of how a terrible ending could ruin a potentially very good match.

Cena/Rollins was the very definition of overbooking a match.

Reigns' promo afterwards was pretty bad, although I could tell it was the script and not the performer. They're really messing up an entire roster and generation with writers writing their scripted promos. It was just the most generic "I'm going to enter the Royal Rumble and I'm going to win" nonsense.

Very forgettable PPV outside of Ziggler winning.

(edited by SKLOKAZOID on 15.12.14 0908)
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.30
"Y2-Jizzle!" That alone made the night worth it for me. What the hell was JBL thinking?? I hope he relaized how that sounded after he said it.
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