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#61 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.42
    Originally posted by Packman V2
    -Colt did get him to back off the Never Ever stand he made in part 1.


This was with some heavy "no one believes you because there is no 'never' in wrestling" promoting by Colt, but...


    Yeah, changing his stance from "I'll never go back" to "it's way too soon" sounded to me like this is something that actually can be patched up with the proper effort and restitutions.


What I got from this is they could've fixed this up eight months ago, or pretty much any time after that 'two month suspension' ended.

There was definitely a period right after the Rumble where CM Punk was too hurt and too angry to come back. Maybe there's no shot he would've ever come back in time for that March RAW in Chicago before WrestleMania, because he seemed pretty fine with missing WrestleMania. After that, and before the wedding, there's a three month period where if Vince (or HHH) picked up the phone and said the right things, CM Punk is either working for WWE this moment or on the road back to working for WWE. And if WWE pays those royalty checks and just lets Punk's contract expires instead of firing him*, Punk's back in a few years. As much as Punk was hurt and sick and hated WWE and hated everything (and hadn't watched wrestling since 2011), Punk's working for WWE again if that FedEx doesn't show up. That's it.

And Punk also gave a pretty obvious opening to fix it - Punk is never calling WWE again, but if Vince and HHH came to his house and talked to him and apologized, it would seem to mean a lot to him. It may not get him back and it may not even fix things, but Punk left the ball in their court.

* - I'm over using the footnote thing today, but Meltzer pointed out the Punk firing came the same time WWE fired a whole bunch of other people. That lends a little bit to WWE's claim it was a coincidence, but Punk obviously does not believe that to be the case and other people who deal closer with WWE believe that's not the case.



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#62 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.36
Shocking Metzler defends the WWE there even though Punk's termination papers were overnight. Punk is right, be a man. Call or show up in person to apologize. Colt sorta pushed Punk into the maybe category to never. I don't think it will be in the WWE.



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#63 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.42
    Originally posted by lotjx
    Shocking Metzler defends the WWE there even though Punk's termination papers were overnight.


He absolutely did the opposite of defending the WWE. He was sure WWE did it on purpose because that's what they like to do and said Vince's apology came off as fake.

(edited by thecubsfan on 4.12.14 1358)


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#64 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.11
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
      Originally posted by lotjx
      Shocking Metzler defends the WWE there even though Punk's termination papers were overnight.


    He absolutely did the opposite of defending the WWE. He was sure WWE did it on purpose because that's what they like to do and said Vince's apology came off as fake.
Cubs, I think you're confusing Meltzer and Metzler again.



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#65 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.40
    Originally posted by cubs
    What I got from this is they could've fixed this up eight months ago, or pretty much any time after that 'two month suspension' ended....


Yeah, this is all true. But again, this is a situation where it's all about the personality defects of those involved. Punk seems legit hurt about the wedding day thing. But Punk walked out on Vince's baby right when he was needed the most, just before their biggest show ever and the absolutely crucial Network launch. And he did so by reaming Vince and Hunter out and essentially telling Hunter he fucking sucked and he wouldn't give him the pleasure of a match at WrestleMania. Is Vince not allowed to feel slighted by such a thing? Bear in mind I'm not arguing tit-for-tat - "Punk walked out so Vince was right to fire him on his wedding day!" - but simply pointing out that everyone in this situation is carrying baggage. So hurt feelings are hurt feelings on all sides, especially given the titanic egos of the three overgrown children at the centre of this. This could have been fixed within weeks if everyone had budged a little bit, not just Vince.



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#66 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.21
To me , Punk comes off as never happy, he wanted an apology he gets one he isn't happy, aj goes back to wwe after their honeymoon when I don't think she was even on tv after wrestlemaina, he isn't happy. Seems to me puck just likes to bitch. He says money isn't everything then goes to talk about money. He goes behind his jobs back to get deals then gets upset when they turn around and give it to other people.

It's clear that Colt is punks number 5 fan as punks ego is so big it takes up the first 4 spots.



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#67 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.03
Listening now and I wish this podcast was just Punk & Colt talking about Morris Day & The Time and bootleg Bart Simpson t-shirts.

Also it's insane that Part 1 still won't download (for me at least) on iTunes.
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#68 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.97
I really don't understand how anyone can take Vince's apology at face value. Punk makes a very fair point when he says that if they wanted to apologize - whether they really did fire him when they did to spite him or if it was just a big shitty coincidence - they could have done so months ago in private, but they didn't feel the need to say anything until Punk went public with the story.

And money may not be (and isn't) everything, but that doesn't mean that I should be underpaid for my time and effort.
    Originally posted by yamcharulez
    He goes behind his jobs back to get deals then gets upset when they turn around and give it to other people.
"Goes behind his job's back?" Really? They should be thrilled that they have a unique performer who 1) people want to hire/sponsor/put on their shows, and 2) is willing to hustle to arrange those deals instead of waiting for the office to do so.
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    Punk walked out on Vince's baby right when he was needed the most
Needed for what? Mania was perfectly fine without him. He didn't walk out on a hot angle. If anything, you could argue that the show was better off because he left.
    Originally posted by Spiraling_Shape
    Listening now and I wish this podcast was just Punk & Colt talking about Morris Day & The Time and bootleg Bart Simpson t-shirts.
Yes. This. And "Retarded Henry."



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#69 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.40
If Vince is telling the truth about it being a coincidence - and the fact that a bunch of others were fired the same day does lend at least some credence to that - then it's plausible that he had no idea that the papers had landed in Punk's lap on his wedding day until Punk went public with it last week. So having been publicly called out for being a shitheel, of course he's going to make the apology public too. Now, if he doesn't subsequently call/text/skywrite Punk in order to convey an apology man to man, then fair enough. But I doubt we'll hear anything about that until if/when he eventually resurfaces in WWE or elsewhere.

And are you seriously suggesting that Punk leaving when he did wasn't a massive headache for them as a company, and the stuff he threw at them wasn't personally insulting? You don't think that hurt those two egomaniacs as much as Vince and Hunter's actions have hurt Punk?

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#70 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.36
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    If Vince is telling the truth about it being a coincidence - and the fact that a bunch of others were fired the same day does lend at least some credence to that - then it's plausible that he had no idea that the papers had landed in Punk's lap on his wedding day until Punk went public with it last week. So having been publicly called out for being a shitheel, of course he's going to make the apology public too. Now, if he doesn't subsequently call/text/skywrite Punk in order to convey an apology man to man, then fair enough. But I doubt we'll hear anything about that until if/when he eventually resurfaces in WWE or elsewhere.

    And are you seriously suggesting that Punk leaving when he did wasn't a massive headache for them as a company, and the stuff he threw at them wasn't personally insulting? You don't think that hurt those two egomaniacs as much as Vince and Hunter's actions have hurt Punk?

    (edited by Amos Cochran on 5.12.14 0913)


Hang on their hoss. Apparently, the Metzler firing link is actually Metzler stating saying Vince is full of shit. Why someone posted it like that I have no idea. I honestly could careless of how much of a pain Punk leaving made for the Vince and HHH when Punk almost died due to their moron of a a doctor. I can see why Punk is more pissed off than usual about this entire situation.

(edited by lotjx on 5.12.14 1004)


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#71 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.40
No, Meltzer (for Christ's sake spell his name correctly, will you) brought up the bout of firings on that day, then said he didn't believe it was coincidental because Vince is spiteful. He didn't say that those firings somehow proved that Punk's was on purpose, he just said he didn't buy that it wasn't.
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#72 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.94
I remember Punk leaving right after working a short angle with the New Age Outlaws and getting chokeslammed by Corporate Kane. At the time, I thought he was being shoved back down the ladder by working with those guys, and I didn't blame him for feeling disrespected and leaving. But seeing how prominent Kane remained throughout the Authority angle, it seems like the bookers thought they were keeping Punk in the spotlight. Still it seemed like Punk's Mania options were limited to opponents of low expectations* and I didn't begrudge him his frustrations.

*Kane beat Orton clean at Mania 28 and retained the tag titles with Bryan at Mania 29. But still. It's Kane.



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#73 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.15
    Originally posted by lotjx
    Hang on their hoss. Apparently, the Metzler firing link is actually Metzler stating saying Vince is full of shit. Why someone posted it like that I have no idea. I honestly could careless of how much of a pain Punk leaving made for the Vince and HHH when Punk almost died due to their moron of a a doctor. I can see why Punk is more pissed off than usual about this entire situation.

    (edited by lotjx on 5.12.14 1004)


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#74 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.97
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    are you seriously suggesting that Punk leaving when he did wasn't a massive headache for them as a company and the stuff he threw at them wasn't personally insulting? You don't think that hurt those two egomaniacs as much as Vince and Hunter's actions have hurt Punk?
It probably was - but if it was, I don't care. They jerked him around so he jerked them around right back.
    Originally posted by lotjx
    Apparently, the Metzler firing link is actually Metzler stating saying Vince is full of shit. Why someone posted it like that I have no idea.
Not sure the issue was on the poster's end.

It was on yours, is what I'm saying.



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#75 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.64
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    No, Meltzer (for Christ's sake spell his name correctly, will you) brought up the bout of firings on that day, then said he didn't believe it was coincidental because Vince is spiteful. He didn't say that those firings somehow proved that Punk's was on purpose, he just said he didn't buy that it wasn't.


What Melzztler really saying is that Punk is responsible for those other guys finally getting fired, because they had to fire all those people around Punk's wedding to mask the true spite of it.

I don't care if Vince is lying or not about this, really, and I don't think Vince owed Punk a personal visit complete with a care package and scented soaps to talk things out and apologize. Their relationship is contentious at best.


I think Punk's right for basically everything he did in his action against WWE, although he does have a bit of a myopic view of some things.

I do think the Chael thing about Punk not being able to escort him in UFC had less to do with Punk personally and was more how Vince views UFC, since HHH escorted Floyd Mayweather (who had done big business with WWE previously) and boxing is still viewed as a classy sport by rich/old people while UFC is seen as being for people with longer hair on the back of their head.

It's one thing for wrestlers to go out in support of Brock in the audience, it's another thing for WWE to associate their wrestlers with UFC stars, which is a short-sighted view on WWE's part, but again, isn't about Punk personally. And it's the fact that Punk took these things personally that did more harm than good for his relationship with HHH/Vince. But that's Punk.

I don't think he was going to get half of the things he wanted, and nor was he entitled to it, but WWE has such a toxic work atmosphere it must be demoralizing to not be able to have your own sponsors, or be lied to about low pay for bumps when you could make more signing autographs. Those things he's absolutely right on. If they're independent contractors, they should be able to make deals with sponsors, which could actually help WWE as a whole.

Punk ultimately wins this war by being uncompromising and getting out while he was still young, and his battle shows just how much control WWE wants in its talent. Hopefully, this puts some outside pressure on WWE and is the catalyst for some change.

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#76 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.36
    Originally posted by KJames199
      Originally posted by Amos Cochran
      are you seriously suggesting that Punk leaving when he did wasn't a massive headache for them as a company and the stuff he threw at them wasn't personally insulting? You don't think that hurt those two egomaniacs as much as Vince and Hunter's actions have hurt Punk?
    It probably was - but if it was, I don't care. They jerked him around so he jerked them around right back.
      Originally posted by lotjx
      Apparently, the Metzler firing link is actually Metzler stating saying Vince is full of shit. Why someone posted it like that I have no idea.
    Not sure the issue was on the poster's end.

    It was on yours, is what I'm saying.


It doesn't matter what his name is! And you are probably right about me getting it confused.



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#77 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.01
Vince is a surrogate for Punk's father, Triple H for his embezzling brother.

It's simplistic and it's silly, but it's true. It's damn true.



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#78 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.26
    Originally posted by Whattaburger
    Vince is a surrogate for Punk's father, Triple H for his embezzling brother.

    It's simplistic and it's silly, but it's true. It's damn true.


On the next Arrested Development...

Seriously, I'm of the mind that neither he nor Vince are being insincere, but both have what appears to be very easily hurt feelings. The true story is probably somewhere in the middle.



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#79 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.61
LOOK IN MY EYYYYYES
WHAT DO YOU SEE?
CM PUNK IN THE UFC



Holy fuck shit motherfucker shit. Read comics. Fuck shit shit fuck shit I sold out when I did my job. Fuck fuck fuck shit fuck. Sorry had to do it....

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#80 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.21
Well he didn't tell all, since Phil "CM Punk" Brooks is now under contract to UFC as a welter or middle weight.



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