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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.61
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    "What a way to kick off Raw live" is said regardless of what actually kicks off RAW live.


They really DO have their own version of "The greatest night in the history of our sport," don't they?




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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.61
Welp!

Open Letter to Michael Sam


    Exhibiting class and dignity rarely shown in professional sports, Michael Sam, WWE invites you to next Monday's Raw to speak of your struggles to succeed, lessons you have learned along the way, the courage it takes to be yourself and the prospects of your continued journey.

    You are a role model, who, by example, can encourage everyone to stand up and openly be themselves.

    Signed,
    Stephanie McMahon
    CBO, WWE


Translation: PLEASE give us free publicity!

I'm just confounded by how shameless this entire thing is.




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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.04
The highlight of this show was the intriguing minute where they teased they might change the NOC main event, but then they just kept promoting Cena/Lesnar for the rest of the night. That and the tease of AJ vs. Stephanie down the road. Headlining with Jericho vs. Lesnar, a match which has never happened before, and having Lesnar obliterate Jericho like he did Cena and Jericho being legitimately gone afterwards would've been a much better use of available resources. But would've required forethought and keeping Jericho stronger.

I do think they punted against Labor Day to load up the first MNF-opposed show, but the "load up" is just Reigns/Orton and Jericho/Wyatt, so like, thanks. Blowing off those SS rematches means what for the PPV -- Reigns/Rollins, Jericho/Orton, Big Show/Wyatt?

    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    Any idea how much of today's shows are still being made by and to appease Vince? Just wondering if we have to hang in there or if this is a sign of how things are going to be.


The fall is consistently the doggest days of the year, so anyone who's not curious about how they're going to use Lesnar can probably comfortably take a sabbatical until January and come back to Daniel Bryan, Sting, the Rumble, and the Savage HOF announcement.

    Originally posted by Heims
    Best thing about this show was Damien Mizdow yelling ACTION.


Heck yeah. Full marks for the rare treat of keeping something useful going and not blowing it off in one segment (RIP Fandangswoggle).

The She-ield of Cameron, Eva Marie, and Rosa Mendes had the potential to be a legendary heel trios team. Absolutely legendary. Just imagine them cutting the ring in half, setting up the heat, and then bumping all over the place for a furious hot tag.

I still think Nikki is doing a good job with preposterous material, the Bret/Vince fake car accident of a sibling feud.

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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.64
    Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
    Highlight of the show was the guy holding an "I could be at home watching NITRO" sign.


Yeah, I think one of the advantages of having the WWE Network is that you can recreate your own version of the Monday Night Wars and have the choice between watching a live show and your favorite episodes of RAW and Nitro from almost 20 years ago.

Lame RAW. Was that a tease that they may change Brock vs Cena at NOC we saw tonight? I kind of hope they don't, because I actually like it better as a one-on-one match, but we've never seen Brock vs Orton in the modern era and Brock/Cena/Orton could be a fun change-up.

The best part of RAW to me was the buildup to next week's RAW. I like it whenever they do that and it's always the smartest way to go. It just requires a commitment to booking a week in advance. The Michael Sam stuff was pretty lame, though, but I'm looking forward to that cage match.


So, we're two weeks into Brock being WWE Champion. On one hand, I think he's the best champion. On the other hand, knowing that WWE will never build up the IC and US Titles in his absence, I don't see us going through 7/8 months of this.

Meaningless #1 contenders matches, tag team main events, and feuds like the Bella feud to eat up time. If Brock is really out from NOC till the Rumble, what do they fill Hell in a Cell, Survior Series, and TLC with? Rollins/Ambrose and Reigns/HHH seem to the the big matches on the horizon, but what does Cena do amidst all of this? Feuding with Orton again doesn't sound particularly appealing.

I dunno, you can't throw away the streak with Brock just losing to Cena again, but you can't have 4 months of filler until the Rumble either.
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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.28
Watching from Canada, there were a lot of spots after commercials where there was nothing - just a black screen.

This episode of RAW gave my PVR a workout. There really wasn't much to watch this time around.



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.41
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Headlining with Jericho vs. Lesnar, a match which has never happened before, and having Lesnar obliterate Jericho like he did Cena and Jericho being legitimately gone afterwards would've been a much better use of available resources. But would've required forethought and keeping Jericho stronger.


Wow, I was randomly fantasy re-booking the last few months and came to the same conclusion they they screwed it up with Jericho too, just in a different fashion. WWE is stuck becuase they only believe Cena & Reigns are capable of being face champions and big match challengers, but they could've at least temporary put Jericho in that mix if they handled him better on this return. He always starts off with a clean slate, it's just how they use him from there.

Just because there's no way I'll ever be able to use this in another post, here's what I would've done if I had a time machine and anyone cared what I had to say:
1) when it turns out Bryan is hurt, Jericho's return is moved up a day, they run weeks of videos hyping up his past success (ala RVD in past years) and he shocks the world by winning the briefcase
2) HHH/Stephanie hate Chris Jericho, don't want him as champion, and he slides into Cena's spot in the BattleGround fourway.
3) Brock beats Jericho at SummerSlam, the same way he destroyed Cena. Jericho being Jericho, he can actually disappear to sell the beating.
4) Cena does the feud with Rusev during this time (shocking loss at Battleground, flag match pole rules which save Rusev from being pinned if you'd like), and Cena/Brock II moves to Night of Champions.

That leaves Bray with nothing to do, but the Jericho feud hasn't helped much - you cold stick him with Sheamus, or you could put him in the Battleground main instead of Reigns (who runs thru Cesaro or whoever) so the odds are stacked even more against Jericho. It's Rusev getting stopped a lot sooner than they it seems like it's going to happen, but probably the same outcome anyway. It probably means Jericho would go away a few weeks sooner than he wanted, but he'd happily trade that for a world title run and that cage match next week might mean he's going away sooner than expected anyway.

And those are good tradeoffs for not doing Cena/Brock back to back shows, not having someone get killed by Brock and rising back eight days later, and even just not having another Cena title run (to the point where you can even make Cena's chase to 'finally' win the belt back a plotline at Rumble and make the WrestleMania main event a bit more hazy.)

Next, let me tell you how I'd rebook the IC title...





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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.80
I'm with everyone else here with the opening segment. I was thinking more six pack challenge at NoC. That would water down a Lesnar appearance. What about a elimination chamber match that Brock is one of the two starters and destroys the other four guys. Cena is the last one in and its 1-1 with Brock that way.
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.89
    Originally posted by texasranger9
    I'm with everyone else here with the opening segment. I was thinking more six pack challenge at NoC. That would water down a Lesnar appearance. What about a elimination chamber match that Brock is one of the two starters and destroys the other four guys. Cena is the last one in and its 1-1 with Brock that way.


If they do that, I would love it if Brock wins and the next night on Raw, Paul Heyman comes out and says that due to the fine print of Brock Lesnar's contract, facing off against five opponents in one match counted as the next four "monthly" title defenses, and he thus didn't have to wrestle again until January if he didn't want to. Great -- and at least somewhat logical -- way to keep the title on Brock and explain why he's not around.
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.76
    Originally posted by thecubsfan


    Next, let me tell you how I'd rebook the IC title...




Make Randy Orton set out on quest to unify the secondary titles bringing legitimacy to the titles and power to the authority.
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.89
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
      Originally posted by thecubsfan


      Next, let me tell you how I'd rebook the IC title...




    Make Randy Orton set out on quest to unify the secondary titles bringing legitimacy to the titles and power to the authority.


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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.94
The big problem with the Authority vs. Cena and Reigns is that Cena and Reigns have already beaten the Authority. Orton and Kane bring nothing to the angle anymore.

Let's say Cena beats Lesnar. Unless Rollins immediately takes his belt with the MITB, who does Cena face? Kane again? Orton again? You either elevate someone as a main-event heel or you turn someone and THEN elevate them as a main-event heel.

It's not just Bryan's injury creating a main-event face absence. They haven't elevated anyone. (Do you REALLY want Cena vs. Rusev? Think about it.)

These are the doldrums.

And that tie isn't violet. Magenta, maybe.



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.04
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    Wow, I was randomly fantasy re-booking the last few months and came to the same conclusion they they screwed it up with Jericho too, just in a different fashion. WWE is stuck becuase they only believe Cena & Reigns are capable of being face champions and big match challengers, but they could've at least temporary put Jericho in that mix if they handled him better on this return. He always starts off with a clean slate, it's just how they use him from there.


I too would've been very much in favor of Jericho returning at MITB and winning the title, but I would've done it as a surprise playing into the history of Jericho surprises. Like you said, he comes back with a clean slate every time before very soon after being positioned as just another dude, and it remedies the "Jericho eagerly loses every big match" thing right off the bat. (Plus I still feel owed a "Jericho returns and wins the vacant title" scenario I was screwed out of 7 years ago.)

Cena/Lesnar was definitely a bigger, more 'SummerSlammy' main event, and you lose the 16-time champ vs. The 1 promotion and serious hype videos. But since we were told Night of Champions was supposed to be a second SummerSlam in importance and doesn't feels that way at all, you really could've just done all that for September. Plus the originally planned dynamic for SS was "Lesnar vs. underdog favorite."


    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    Next, let me tell you how I'd rebook the IC title...


Is it more ambitious than "Cesaro wins title shot tournament and wins it from Langston in April"?

Actually, if I tried to take care of all of my boyz, I would go back a year and say

- Fandango wins IC title instead of Curtis Axel, like he was supposed to before he got a concussion, launching a glorious Honky Tonk-esque reign -- a Summer Reign.
- Instead of his one-time pal Big E, Ziggler wins IC title in the fall as an alternative to his burial last fall and a rain check for no comeuppance with Del Rio and the world title.*
- Barrett wins from Ziggler, timestream restored
- Cesaro wins the U.S. title in the "robbing Ambrose" spot instead of Sheamus, timestream restored


* but if I'm really painting a rich a tapestry, I'd do a series wrap on the World Title that goes Del Rio double turn -> Ziggler's Revenge -> Batista hates our li'l faves -> Daniel Bryan unifies World and WWE titles in the threeway at Wrestlemania.

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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.64
    Originally posted by Hokienautic
    If they do that, I would love it if Brock wins and the next night on Raw, Paul Heyman comes out and says that due to the fine print of Brock Lesnar's contract, facing off against five opponents in one match counted as the next four "monthly" title defenses, and he thus didn't have to wrestle again until January if he didn't want to. Great -- and at least somewhat logical -- way to keep the title on Brock and explain why he's not around.


That's a smart way to book the legality of it in a world where they stripped Bryan for not being able to defend the title for more than two months.

One of the original ideas for SummerSlam 2014 was Lesnar beating Bryan, then losing the belt to a Cesaro cash-in (him having won MITB a month earlier). I don't know how serious they were about that, but that would spell out that they had the intention of keeping the belt in the mix in the coming months.

Maybe this was a way of building Rollins up as a credible star in the last two months (which they kinda took a step back on last night) by having him beat Ambrose repeatedly so that he'd be credible when finally cashing in. The question then becomes if Rollins would be cashing in on Cena or Brock after a hard fought match.

Assuming Brock beats Cena, Rollins cashing in on Brock wouldn't hurt Brock's credibility too much and he can always reclaim the belt at the Royal Rumble so they can still do Brock/Reigns while also keeping the belt on TV.
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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.93
What if they made the IC title a "Raw only" title and typically had it defended in the 9-10pm hour every week, and did the same with the US Title being "SmackDown! Only" and defended in the 8-9pm hour every week or even every other week?

That way there would be some build to have the holder of those belts have some focus put upon them and those who actually want or are at the "level" of those titles.

They could still keep the WWE Title or whatever the big storyline drama is in the last hour of the shows.

Of course this is where someone will point out that technically they're doing this already . . . (I just can't sit thru full RAWs or SmackDown!s anymore and have recently begun watching the old Nitros on the Network in order - including the PPVs instead)



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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.34
I can't believe it's been a year since the rise of Daniel Bryan as the anti-Authority as he made his way to the excellent payoff at WM30, now this is where the company is.

In fact all the strongest heroes and antiheroes against the Authority are gone (Punk, Bryan, Ambrose) and we are getting Cena forced down are throats again as well as Roman Cena. We are pretty much getting Double Cena'd in 2014.

I've never been more happy to have The Network, I was honestly looking forward to watching 20 year old Nitro to current day Raw.

The Bellas angle is drizzling shits to borrow a term and should be restricted to Total Divas, but the true payoff is Steph v. A.J. If done right A.J. could become their new Lita cause it sure as shit ain't Bella 1 or 2.



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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.87
    Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
    Was that a tease that they may change Brock vs Cena at NOC we saw tonight? I kind of hope they don't, because I actually like it better as a one-on-one match, but we've never seen Brock vs Orton in the modern era and Brock/Cena/Orton could be a fun change-up.




I think that was just a red herring/time-waster; WWE went through about four or five weeks of build-up in two, with Cena returning last week and destroying Bray Wyatt. That should've been saved for the go-home show, with the previous few weeks having everyone (including Cena himself) doing something like questioning whether he can actually beat Lesnar, questioning himself, etc. Instead, they went to that so early they now have nothing else to build on in the remaining weeks, so they're just throwing stuff out there to ultimately end up in the same place at the end.



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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.03

    The She-ield of Cameron, Eva Marie, and Rosa Mendes

Cameron is obviously the Ambrose of the group, and they're determined to get Eva Marie over (even if only on Total Divas) so I guess that makes her Reigns. And honestly, I'd forgotten all about Rosa's architectural portfolio.

Is the Show/Henry thing going to lead to Henry starting the New Nation? Honestly, I think American Hero Mark Henry is a pretty intriguing angle regardless of where it goes. Most likely Henry will initiate the inevitable breakup because he's bitter over something, but what? If WWE actually rolls the dice on the Nation revival, they need to start out as cool heels (process of elimination - finite choices, and "smiling doofuses" and "cowardly heels" would both be disastrous). Curious to see whether this angle gets them there.
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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.10
With Michael Sam surely out, WWE has reacted with lightning speed to add...

    Originally posted by WWE (wwe.com)
    Jerry Springer intervention with The Bella Twins
    BY WWE.COM STAFF

    The Bella Twins are about to get some family management advice from a third-party.

    Jerry Springer has been confirmed to moderate a discussion between the estranged "Total Divas" stars on the season premiere of Monday Night Raw in Baltimore on Sept. 8. The Bellas, as the WWE Universe knows, have been at vicious odds since Nikki turned on her twin sister Brie at SummerSlam. Recent weeks have seen Nikki demean her sister at every turn and go so far as to slander her reputation in "Growing Up Bella" vignettes that exposed Brie's alleged childhood secrets.

    Of course, nobody does family dysfunction like Springer, but will he be able to bridge the divide between the warring sisters? Find out Monday at 8/7 CT, only on USA Network.
All this for a Giants/Lions game (Chargers/Cardinals on the Pacific feed)?



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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.76
What is the age cutoff where people get the Jerry Springer experience? Then what is the demographic that even finds him relevant? Those two circles have to barely intersect, right?

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Here's the Script for (ahem) "The Iowa Racuous:"

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