Originally posted by used2bcool I felt kind of sorry for Lawler yesterday. It doesn't seem like he can really hang with the other two on commentary anymore. When JBL was arguing about how Daniel Bryan was the cause for the Miz's demise, Cole was offering logical counterpoints while the best King could do was the incredulous "Are you serious?!" Cole and JBL threw points and counterpoints throughout the show while King was kind of left behind.
Agreed. We have reached the point where I am begging them to remove Lawler from commentary. Cole and JBL will do just fine without him.
I think you're confusing everyone here. HHH has looooong been acknowledged as part of the front office and family, so it's hardly for "no reason" he's COO. And he fits into the role perfectly -- especially given that (as someone else said) he's playing the exact role everyone's accused him of.
What I *think* I get from your posts is that you think someone like Austin or Foley or Flair could have been positioned as an eventual counter to HHH with some longterm planning? An eventual savior, so at least it's not someone in the McMahon family that sees the lights and champions the cause of Daniel Bryan? Is that what you're trying to get across?
Yes
Then you're batshirt crazy. I get it, long-range planning is ideal. But to say that they should have a THREE YEAR plan of attack on one angle that seems very likely to have been spurred and created totally by the insane crowd reaction to one Daniel Bryan -- something no one could have seen coming -- is just not possible. You're grasping at straws, my friend.
I also think it's pure silliness that you seem think the WWE couldn't pull out any of the people you mentioned out next week or month -- Foley, Flair, Austin, and probably a couple others -- and do exactly what you're suggesting. Foley was commish. Flair was what, owner? Part owner? Austin had wars with the McMahons, and coming back to general another battle (even if "appointed" by Linda) would seem extremely logical with the right story.
I think you're confusing everyone here. HHH has looooong been acknowledged as part of the front office and family, so it's hardly for "no reason" he's COO. And he fits into the role perfectly -- especially given that (as someone else said) he's playing the exact role everyone's accused him of.
What I *think* I get from your posts is that you think someone like Austin or Foley or Flair could have been positioned as an eventual counter to HHH with some longterm planning? An eventual savior, so at least it's not someone in the McMahon family that sees the lights and champions the cause of Daniel Bryan? Is that what you're trying to get across?
Yes
Then you're batshirt crazy. I get it, long-range planning is ideal. But to say that they should have a THREE YEAR plan of attack on one angle that seems very likely to have been spurred and created totally by the insane crowd reaction to one Daniel Bryan -- something no one could have seen coming -- is just not possible. You're grasping at straws, my friend.
I also think it's pure silliness that you seem think the WWE couldn't pull out any of the people you mentioned out next week or month -- Foley, Flair, Austin, and probably a couple others -- and do exactly what you're suggesting. Foley was commish. Flair was what, owner? Part owner? Austin had wars with the McMahons, and coming back to general another battle (even if "appointed" by Linda) would seem extremely logical with the right story.
None of this. The whole reason the story is working is because it's Daniel Bryan vs. the Corporate Machine. Not throwbacks completing a system of checks and balances to give Daniel Bryan something.
Yes, this is setting up Daniel Bryan vs. HHH at some point, perhaps even at Survivor Series when he gets screwed out of the title at October's PPV.
Now if Austin or Foley shows up and tells DB and Show it's okay to stand up to the corporate structure, and that's how they made their careers, that's another animal. However, the emphasis so far seems to be Daniel Bryan, the wrestler, not the Sports Entertainer, going up against the wall by WRESTLING, not Sports Entertaining.
"Laugh and the world laughs with you. Frown and the world laughs at you." -Me.
Originally posted by used2bcoolAlso, is this the end of the Axel/Heyman alliance?
From our vantage point, I could have sworn Axel pushed Heyman's wheelchair out last night.
"As you may have read in Robert Parker's Wine Newsletter, 'Donaghy Estates tastes like the urine of Satan, after a hefty portion of asparagus.'" Jack Donaghy, 30 Rock
Originally posted by kentishPlease have Daddy Miz on every week. He's like if Tom Petty made it with Paul Bearer.
And Mama Miz looked like some sort of cross between 1990s-era Fabulous Moolah and Reba McEntire. The Miz is a goddamn genetic miracle but Maryse should be having second thoughts.
Originally posted by kentishPlease have Daddy Miz on every week. He's like if Tom Petty made it with Paul Bearer.
I agree. He looked just tickled pink to watch his son get "beat up" on national TV. It seemed like seeing his son wrestle live was a unique experience.
Originally posted by kentishPlease have Daddy Miz on every week. He's like if Tom Petty made it with Paul Bearer.
And Mama Miz looked like some sort of cross between 1990s-era Fabulous Moolah and Reba McEntire. The Miz is a goddamn genetic miracle but Maryse should be having second thoughts.
As someone who grew up in Cleveland, all I can say is that Mr. And Mrs. Mizanin are two of the most Parma-lookin' people I have ever seen in my life. There's really no other way to describe that look.
Originally posted by kentishPlease have Daddy Miz on every week. He's like if Tom Petty made it with Paul Bearer.
And Mama Miz looked like some sort of cross between 1990s-era Fabulous Moolah and Reba McEntire. The Miz is a goddamn genetic miracle but Maryse should be having second thoughts.
As someone who grew up in Cleveland, all I can say is that Mr. And Mrs. Mizanin are two of the most Parma-lookin' people I have ever seen in my life. There's really no other way to describe that look.
*spittake* I just read that to the lovely Mrs. whatever and we both agree: you totally hit the nail on the head!
"As you may have read in Robert Parker's Wine Newsletter, 'Donaghy Estates tastes like the urine of Satan, after a hefty portion of asparagus.'" Jack Donaghy, 30 Rock
As good a job they're doing building heat on Big Show and Cody as retribution seekers for the side of good -- and hopefully Ziggler will now start to become a real part of the feud and not just a guy getting beat up -- I really wish they hadn't done any of the Wyatt stuff and Kane could make a big return as Bryan's greatest ally. What if Kane's music had hit last night right before Orton stomped the chair omgggg.
Originally posted by CruelAngelI want "Abeyance" to be the name of the next Pay Per View.
Holy crap yes.
Originally posted by KJames199And Mama Miz looked like some sort of cross between 1990s-era Fabulous Moolah and Reba McEntire. The Miz is a goddamn genetic miracle but Maryse should be having second thoughts.
can you imagine Maryse Ouellet hanging out with Mr. & Mizes Mizanin?? CAN YOU IMAGINE??????????????????????????
be sexy
Originally posted by HokienauticI still think the Real Americans are the next big thing, especially in a rather blah (albeit increasingly stacked) tag division. The huge 'WE THE PEOPLE' chant at every tag transition? Unbelievable.
I'm all for more Uso/Shield matches, but the Americans' turn and Shield challenge should definitely happen. It seems like they'll have to wait to feud with the Matadors first.
Originally posted by KJamesAm I alone in thinking the Shield theme is just a re-recorded and updated version of Tazz's theme?
............................... gasp. It's Steve Austin and Razor Ramon all over again.
Solid RAW. Found something to enjoy in just about every segment.
It's nice that Bryan will be at least a three time WWE Champion before he gets a real reign. I think we went from the best WWE Title side plates to the worst (not crazy about the red).
I do, however, feel that whatever they added to meaningful title changes since CM Punk began his year-plus title reign is now lost in the Bryan/Orton shenanigans. It's making for some good TV, but ultimately, they could be doing a similar storyline while keeping the belt on Orton, which I expect him to regain sometime in the near future.
Also, I feel it hurts it for when Bryan REALLY, REALLY wins FOR REAL next time. Nothing can take the magic away that first win he had over Cena and initial Orton MITB cash-in, I think SummerSlam 2013 will still hold up as meaningful, but next time Bryan wins, I don't know if it'll quite mean the same.
Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID Also, I feel it hurts it for when Bryan REALLY, REALLY wins FOR REAL next time. Nothing can take the magic away that first win he had over Cena and initial Orton MITB cash-in, I think SummerSlam 2013 will still hold up as meaningful, but next time Bryan wins, I don't know if it'll quite mean the same.
I get what you're saying, but Bryan isn't painted as the type to be a dominant face champion. That's Cena. He's supposed to be the guy who is completely vulnerable outside of the ring. And inside, if there's no bell run and no referee. In short, his looking like a bit of a chump here and there is what makes him so amazing as a face and pretty much why myself and the WWE Universe loves the guy. Infallibility is the trait we're all tired of and harp on about when anybody says "Super Cena". It's the trait that HHH is exhibiting, very well might I add, as the true heel in the whole story. If the twist comes that he won't even hold a tourny, just holding onto the belt himself, well, wouldn't that just be icing on that cake?
If Bryan stops being a scrappy underdog that gives 110% in the ring, Bryan ceases to be.
Now when we get to that point where Bryan is defending his belt against all comers without a corporate villain tie-in that as someone pointed out is also killing Orton's cheers (and face it, there was a definite girl scream pop when he came out for his match against Miz), then awesome.
Shapiro, your notation is flawed ;D. I too am excited for the tag division since there is so much talent involved along with that odd out-of-left-field phenomenon that the Real Americans have hit upon. Kinda like Daniel Bryan post WrestleMania 28. Look where he wound up.
Mind Blown about Austin/Razor Ramon.
Ziggler has gotten kind of dull since turning face. Let him be the snarky sarcastic douche, all cool heel style.
The US Title is now more prestigious than the IC Title. Last thought.
"Laugh and the world laughs with you. Frown and the world laughs at you." -Me.
I also think it's pure silliness that you seem think the WWE couldn't pull out any of the people you mentioned out next week or month -- Foley, Flair, Austin, and probably a couple others -- and do exactly what you're suggesting. Foley was commish. Flair was what, owner? Part owner? Austin had wars with the McMahons, and coming back to general another battle (even if "appointed" by Linda) would seem extremely logical with the right story.
Flair was the consortium! *Vince tugs ear frantically*
Originally posted by LexusShapiro, your notation is flawed ;D.
Oh damn it. That's what I get for doing my own quote tags, I'm an independent man. Years ago I petitioned to make one of "Big Bad" and "Big Daddy Loco" change their Big to Garrison, but there's been no traction on that.
I would also entertain an alternate history where Cesaro has been in Curtis Axel's spot since its inauguration and now takes over in Ryback's spot. Hey, where did Wade Barrett go after he lost the cage match last month? Is he off TV until his beard grows back? Is he working house shows? Could I just google that? Maybe Wade is marrying Cody Rhodes. Maybe Wade and Kaitlyn eloped.
Originally posted by JustinShapiro............................... gasp. It's Steve Austin and Razor Ramon all over again.
what
wait
WHAT
HOLY
Here's another one: ULTIMATE WARRIOR and THE ROCKERS
Right?? I caught this one right away when I was a kid. I kept waiting for them to be somehow united in storylines because their themes were so close to each other.
Originally posted by used2bcool I felt kind of sorry for Lawler yesterday. It doesn't seem like he can really hang with the other two on commentary anymore. When JBL was arguing about how Daniel Bryan was the cause for the Miz's demise, Cole was offering logical counterpoints while the best King could do was the incredulous "Are you serious?!" Cole and JBL threw points and counterpoints throughout the show while King was kind of left behind.
Agreed. We have reached the point where I am begging them to remove Lawler from commentary. Cole and JBL will do just fine without him.
What's disappointing is Lawler was a fantastic listen on the Steve Austin podcast...but he just seems to be mailing it in on Raw.