Virginia Tech being in the top 12 is interesting actually. I believe a top 12 team that qualifies automatically gets a spot, and if Oregon State wins, they qualify.
Florida, Alabama, Texas, TCU, Cincinnati, Oregon, Ohio State, and GT would automatically qualify. Oregon losing would drop them out, and VT would be the 8th team.
This is assuming Texas wins, otherwise Texas gets it.
Originally posted by Psycho PenguinVirginia Tech being in the top 12 is interesting actually. I believe a top 12 team that qualifies automatically gets a spot, and if Oregon State wins, they qualify.
Florida, Alabama, Texas, TCU, Cincinnati, Oregon, Ohio State, and GT would automatically qualify. Oregon losing would drop them out, and VT would be the 8th team.
This is assuming Texas wins, otherwise Texas gets it.
Why would Va. Tech get a spot ahead of Iowa or Penn State in that scenario, as both are ranked higher than the Hokies and one would be the 2nd Big Ten team?
Originally posted by Psycho PenguinVirginia Tech being in the top 12 is interesting actually. I believe a top 12 team that qualifies automatically gets a spot, and if Oregon State wins, they qualify.
Florida, Alabama, Texas, TCU, Cincinnati, Oregon, Ohio State, and GT would automatically qualify. Oregon losing would drop them out, and VT would be the 8th team.
This is assuming Texas wins, otherwise Texas gets it.
Why would Va. Tech get a spot ahead of Iowa or Penn State in that scenario, as both are ranked higher than the Hokies and one would be the 2nd Big Ten team?
Because there's 4 at larges and they both can't get the 3rd and 4th? SEC loser, TCU, and one B10 team gets 3 spots, that leaves one open.. Boise?
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Originally posted by Psycho PenguinBecause there's 4 at larges and they both can't get the 3rd and 4th? SEC loser, TCU, and one B10 team gets 3 spots, that leaves one open.. Boise?
Yes, Boise. I can't see them being able to justify choosing a 3-loss team ahead of an undefeated Boise.
Your guaranteed BCS slots right now are Florida, Alabama, Texas, TCU, Ohio State, Cincy/Pitt winner, Oregon/Oregon State winner, and GT/Clemson winner. The two remaining slots should go to, in order of how much they deserve it:
Boise (provided they finish undefeated) Cincy if they lose to Pittsburgh Iowa or Penn State (I choose Iowa since they won the H-2-H).
However, I think that unless you're a Texas, Iowa or Penn State fan, everyone should root the hell for Nebraska this Saturday. If the Cornhuskers pull off the upset, little mid-major TCU gets to play for the national title, and it would also knock Iowa/Penn State out of contention.
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If Texas were to lose and Cincy were to knock off Pitt, I could see the Bearcats jumping to #2 in the human polls, especially if Oregon State were to win the Civil War, as Cincy would then have a non-conference victory over the Pac-10 Champion to hang their hats on. Coupled with Cincy already having an edge on TCU in the computers, that would mean the boys from Columbus would be playing the preliminary game in Pasadena while the boys from the Queen City would be playing in the main event in Pasadena. If Clemson wins the ACC Title Game, does that damage the ACC in terms of the old 'Big East Rule', or does Va. Tech's ranking keep the average up for the year?
The ACC amazingly still has several ranked teams, so I don't think they're hurt much this year at all. But boy did they all stink up the field this weekend.
Originally posted by redsoxnationIf Texas were to lose and Cincy were to knock off Pitt, I could see the Bearcats jumping to #2 in the human polls, especially if Oregon State were to win the Civil War, as Cincy would then have a non-conference victory over the Pac-10 Champion to hang their hats on. Coupled with Cincy already having an edge on TCU in the computers, that would mean the boys from Columbus would be playing the preliminary game in Pasadena while the boys from the Queen City would be playing in the main event in Pasadena. If Clemson wins the ACC Title Game, does that damage the ACC in terms of the old 'Big East Rule', or does Va. Tech's ranking keep the average up for the year?
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Yes, I would see Cincy moving to #2 to face the SEC winner in the title game. I can't see TCU moving up any higher considering they have finished their season and Cincy has a top 15 opponent left (too bad Pitt lost to WVU)
No, Clemson would be ranked if they beat Georgia Tech, possibly in top 20, and it wouldn't hurt them the ranking that bad. It's not like a BC or Wake who hasn't been ranked all year winning the ACC out of nowhere.
No thanks, I'd like a title game that isn't a squash for once. TCU can have fun in the Orange or something like that.
Note that it's always these big-conference teams that provide the crappy games.
Originally posted by redsoxnationIf Texas were to lose and Cincy were to knock off Pitt, I could see the Bearcats jumping to #2 in the human polls, especially if Oregon State were to win the Civil War, as Cincy would then have a non-conference victory over the Pac-10 Champion to hang their hats on. Coupled with Cincy already having an edge on TCU in the computers, that would mean the boys from Columbus would be playing the preliminary game in Pasadena while the boys from the Queen City would be playing in the main event in Pasadena. (edited by redsoxnation on 29.11.09 2156)
If Pitt had beaten West Virginia, then a Cincy win this weekend would clearly have been enough to elevate them into the title game. Pitt's loss, however, puts things into doubt.
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Originally posted by redsoxnationIf Texas were to lose and Cincy were to knock off Pitt, I could see the Bearcats jumping to #2 in the human polls, especially if Oregon State were to win the Civil War, as Cincy would then have a non-conference victory over the Pac-10 Champion to hang their hats on. Coupled with Cincy already having an edge on TCU in the computers, that would mean the boys from Columbus would be playing the preliminary game in Pasadena while the boys from the Queen City would be playing in the main event in Pasadena.
If Clemson wins the ACC Title Game, does that damage the ACC in terms of the old 'Big East Rule', or does Va. Tech's ranking keep the average up for the year?
That works both ways though. Suppose that Clemson beats Georgia Tech for the ACC title. Then TCU has a win over the ACC champs to hang THEIR hats on. It's also incredibly difficult for Cincy to jump TCU when TCU hasn't done anything to deserve being jumped. (The only other example I can recall - LSU jumping Georgia for the title shot against Ohio State in '07 - you had an easy justification for the jump, since LSU won the conference and Georgia didn't make the conference title game.) Plus, the Big East has always been the bastard stepchild of the big six conferences - remember that as recently as a couple of years ago, there were serious calls for stripping the Big East of their auto-bid - and as I always say, CONGRESS IS WATCHING, so at the end of the day, regardless of what happens elsewhere, I still think Texas loss = TCU national title shot.
Of course, Texas is odds-on to win and this is likely just pointless blather. The important thing is that at the end of the day, both TCU and Boise make it to the dance.
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Originally posted by Psycho PenguinVirginia Tech being in the top 12 is interesting actually. I believe a top 12 team that qualifies automatically gets a spot, and if Oregon State wins, they qualify.
No. http://www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfb/eligibility Automatic Qualifiers are: The #1 and #2 ranked teams. The 6 major conference champions. One champion from a lesser conference, assuming that team is in the top 12. If more than one team qualifies in this section, only the highest ranked team gets an automatic bid. Notre Dame if it's in the top 8. a major conference team that did not win its championship game and is ranked #3 or #4 (as long as this does not violate the 2 BCS teams per conference rule), this rule can only be used for one team.
So that's the 6 major champions, the loser in the SEC (assuming they stay in the top 4), and TCU as automatic qualifiers. And then two at-large bids available to anyone in the top 14. As you say, though, if Texas loses and stays in the top 4, they would have gotten an auto bid except we just gave it to the SEC loser instead.
Let's imagine the worst case scenario: #16 Oregon State beats #7 Oregon. #15 Pittsburgh beats #5 Cincinnati. New Mexico State beats Boise State. #22 Nebraska beats #3 Texas. Clemson beats #10 Georgia Tech. And the SEC game doesn't matter, so let's say #2 Alabama beats #1 Florida.
Alabama plays TCU in the National championship, I guess. Other auto bids are Florida (see below), Oregon State, Pittsburgh, Nebraska, Clemson, and Ohio State.
#1, #3, #5, #6, #7 all just lost. Let's assume that means Florida only drops to #3, and Texas drops to #4. Florida gets the automatic bid under section 4.
So now we're down to 2 at-large teams among: Texas, formerly ranked #3 before they lost Cincinnati, formerly ranked #5 before they lost Boise State, formerly ranked #6 before they lost Oregon, formerly ranked #7 before they lost #9 Iowa #11 Penn State #12 Virginia Tech #13 LSU #14 BYU
Originally posted by Psycho PenguinVirginia Tech being in the top 12 is interesting actually. I believe a top 12 team that qualifies automatically gets a spot, and if Oregon State wins, they qualify.
No. http://www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfb/eligibility Automatic Qualifiers are: The #1 and #2 ranked teams. The 6 major conference champions. One champion from a lesser conference, assuming that team is in the top 12. If more than one team qualifies in this section, only the highest ranked team gets an automatic bid. Notre Dame if it's in the top 8. a major conference team that did not win its championship game and is ranked #3 or #4 (as long as this does not violate the 2 BCS teams per conference rule), this rule can only be used for one team.
So that's the 6 major champions, the loser in the SEC (assuming they stay in the top 4), and TCU as automatic qualifiers. And then two at-large bids available to anyone in the top 14. As you say, though, if Texas loses and stays in the top 4, they would have gotten an auto bid except we just gave it to the SEC loser instead.
Let's imagine the worst case scenario: #16 Oregon State beats #7 Oregon. #15 Pittsburgh beats #5 Cincinnati. New Mexico State beats Boise State. #22 Nebraska beats #3 Texas. Clemson beats #10 Georgia Tech. And the SEC game doesn't matter, so let's say #2 Alabama beats #1 Florida.
Alabama plays TCU in the National championship, I guess. Other auto bids are Florida (see below), Oregon State, Pittsburgh, Nebraska, Clemson, and Ohio State.
#1, #3, #5, #6, #7 all just lost. Let's assume that means Florida only drops to #3, and Texas drops to #4. Florida gets the automatic bid under section 4.
So now we're down to 2 at-large teams among: Texas, formerly ranked #3 before they lost Cincinnati, formerly ranked #5 before they lost Boise State, formerly ranked #6 before they lost Oregon, formerly ranked #7 before they lost #9 Iowa #11 Penn State #12 Virginia Tech #13 LSU #14 BYU
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Again, I'll throw another fly in the ointment- let's say Texas loses, fairly convincingly (10 or more points), and 'Bama beats Florida close, say 38-35 on a last-second FG- do the pollsters keep Florida as a strong #2 and set up a rematch in the title game? I don't think it works the other way round, since Florida is coming in at 1 and 'Bama at 2.
After the campaign Florida had in '06 to get in the Title Game under the No Rematch argument, it'll be tough for them to turn around and scream for a rematch when at least 1 other unbeaten team will be sitting on the board.
Yeah, no way they will give us a rematch if they wouldn't in 2006. Boise, TCU, or Cincy would get it.. each would have an argument and things would get interesting then.
Originally posted by Psycho PenguinYeah, no way they will give us a rematch if they wouldn't in 2006. Boise, TCU, or Cincy would get it.. each would have an argument and things would get interesting then.
Cincy I could buy, being from a BCS conference, but I still think, push comes to shove, if the choice is a 1-loss Florida, or even a 1-loss Texas vs. 'Bama or TCU/Boise, I think the little guy may still lose out in the end. It makes for some great controversy and may be the final straw that actually gets a playoff instituted, but I'm still not sure that the system has changed enough to let a deserving non-BCS team get into the Big Game.
What would they be scared of? Either the little guy would get crushed or the little guy would win. Either way, it'd kill the 'controversy' once and for all in future years.
Muschamp said no, and now word is coming out that Calhoun has been hired at Tennessee. And Skip Holtz to USF is a done deal as well. Chow said no to USC, so they need an offensive coordinator(unless Kiffin does it himself)