The general feeling I get from people here at Wienerville is that the problem with wrestling these days is the writing.
What is the solution? So many angles have been played out over and over and over... Is there more original stuff somewhere? (over the rainbow)
I watched RAW last night and I saw...
Hogan --- Hulkamania...
Been there, done that.
Flair --- Heel turn
Got that T-shirt.
Molly/Regal --- "Virtuous" woman and "clean" man heels
Seen this before too many times to imagine.
Lesner --- Big bad and unstoppable unless someone helps
Hmmmm. I think I have seen that before.
So my question is... Is there any original possibilities??
Has wrestling run out of ideas??
Whens football season start again???
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Originally posted by hazThe general feeling I get from people here at Wienerville is that the problem with wrestling these days is the writing.
What is the solution? So many angles have been played out over and over and over... Is there more original stuff somewhere? (over the rainbow)
I watched RAW last night and I saw...
But you know, it can be done so we care. They do it all the time on the rest of TV and in movies.
I love "El Dorado" and "Rio Bravo" - both John Wayne movies - but the plots about the same, just different players.
Is Friends not Cheers in a slightly different setting? Is ER not an updated version of Dr. Kildare? Is NYPD Blue not an edgier Hill Street Blues?
No, but they make us care. I care if Andy gets in bed with the blonde cop (heck, I don't really care about her, I guess, cause I can't remember her name). I care about that doofus Medavoy and his little family problem and the rest.
Because the writers know how to make me care.
Do I get excited that Booker T is in the NWO? No. It was shotgunned. No build-up. Someone said the Giant and Skinny should have beat him down, and Flair should have tagged him. Then he comes back to haunt them. That might make me care. Do I care about UT and HH? A little. Maybe more if I were a Bike nut. But the dragging around was a little better than running over a bike with a semi. The rubber crowbar (along with the metal bar being thrown off-camera) to the shoulder was good. It all tells me HH will retain Sunday, but I might want to see it. Do I care about Lesner? Yeah. He's an animal and I want to see him do a Goldberg - then they KILL it by having him lose. arrrrrrrrgh.
These writers SUCK - for the most part.
Wrestlers - unless a spot fest is what you admire - are only following the script.
I actually thought the way they did the hardcore/women's matches the past two weeks was rather original writing, and an interesting, unique way to have Trish get the title back. So that was fun to see. Now hopefully they will do the smart thing by putting Trish on Smackdown to feud with Ivory and her eventual Tough Enough female protege. A Trish-vs.-Staci or Trish-vs.-Torrie thing will just not work.
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But, did it die due to poor financing, or poor decisions made by the booker (i.e., pushing the hell out of Justin Credible, not giving RVD a run with the World Title)? I was never able to follow ECW other than via the internet, so maybe I'm just repeating the wrong storyline here.
Most of Heyman's bad booking decisions came at times when he was running out of options. Sure, he could have run with RVD as world champ at some point, but I'm sure he would have if he had known the tomorrow he was always waiting for wouldn't come because ECW went bankrupt.
It seems like everytime Heyman pushed someone to the World Title, they left very soon, and he'd have to come up with some way for them to exit. Maybe he put the belt on Credible because he knew neither WCW or the WWF really wanted the guy all that much.
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It seems to me that the reason Heyman never put the ECW belt on RVD, was simply that RVD was already above the title. Putting the belt on a Mike Awesome, Justin Credible, Rhyno, ect ... made that person a bigger star, and since RVD was already a star, it gave him 2 people he could use to sell tickets.
Pandas are people too!! Uh, did you not notice who RVD was set up to feud with for like MONTHS (even before he broke his leg)? Yeah, that's right, Mike Awesome, the HW champ at the time. Right before he broke his leg RVD was all set up for a heavyweight reign. Even after that Paul built up an awesome storyline for RVD to feud with Rhino for the ECW belt. If ECW hadn't gone down, you can damn well bet that RVD and Rhino would have been feuding over that belt.
We Won! FUCK YOU WRESTLING FANBOYS!! WWF FOR LIFE!! *Insert Nelson laugh here*
Or they could have been feuding without the belt, after RVD cause Rhyno to lose it to somebody, or something. I am not so sure that Heyman would have ever put the belt on RVD, unless he really didn't have anyone else to put it on.
Originally posted by CajunManAnother Survivor Series Montreal 1997 would be cool(Vince never liked Hogan?) It is practical if you know the past.
If you know the past, you also know the angle has been done to death since. VKM's revisited it twice (Foley -v- Rock, Survivor Series '98; Austin -v- Benoit Smackdown 5/01). WCW did it at Starrcade with Hart -v- Goldberg as well. Revisiting a 5 year old bit that's been overdone since is not the answer.
Uh, the Calgary RAW had the Benoit Screwjob (ala Montreal)... I was there man... It was the beginning of the InVasion... Who thought that such a sweet RAW would herald a HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE END?
Come to think of it, everything's gone to hell since Benoit got hurt...
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Paulie just didn't have the capital to pay his people decent money. Almost every time he created a star, that wrestler would eventually get offered a big-money contract from WCW or WWF.
But every time one of Paulie's headliners left for greener pastures, he would have a replacement ready. With a constantly changing roster, Paulie always created stars.
Originally posted by shea re: Heyman's talent as booker
Paulie just didn't have the capital to pay his people decent money. Almost every time he created a star, that wrestler would eventually get offered a big-money contract from WCW or WWF.
But every time one of Paulie's headliners left for greener pastures, he would have a replacement ready. With a constantly changing roster, Paulie always created stars.
That, my friends, is booking genius.
You're right! I demand: A 2 year IC title reign for the VD. Tajiri telling Torrie he intends to "love her long time". Trish and Stacey resovling their conflict by making out. 40 minute speeches from Cyrus Vince (oh, wait...) Rhyno holding 2 titles. Raven attacking Tommy Dreamer, then teaming with him, then attacking him, then teaming with him all with NO explanation.
Heyman's InVasion angle was such a brilliant success! More I say! More!
we can't say what Heyman is responsible for in the WWF. And when did Trish and Stacey make out? I wish I got Smackdown, as I'm too lazy to download porn on the internet.
Hmm...if Triple H leaves to shoot this movie...and Rocky leaves to shoot HIS movie...and with Austin fired...and with Goldberg quickly wearing out his welcome...this would mean...Raw would have to build... **GASP** NEW STARS!!!!