Pre-Show: Bobby Roode defeated Lance Hoyt (Ms. Brookes is Roode's new manager)
X-Division Gauntlet Battle Royal: Austin Starr won, last eliminating Jay Lethal. (Other participants: Sonjay Dutt, Matt Bentley, A1, Zach Gowen, Frankie Kazarian, Shark Boy, Alex Shelley, D-Ray 3000, Johnny Devine, Elix Skipper, Short Sleeve Sampson, Norman Smiley and Petey Williams)
Four-Corners Tag Team Match: Team 3D defeated The Naturals, America's Most Wanted and The James Gang (Shane Douglas, unsurprisingly, goes apeshit)
Monster's Ball Match: Samoa Joe pinned Raven in a match also involving Brother Runt and Abyss
Loser Gets Fired: Eric Young defeated Larry Zbysko
X-Division Title Match: Chris Sabin defeated Senshi to win his third X-Division Championship
8 Mile Street Fight: Christian Cage defeated Rhino
Six Sides of Steel for the NWA World Tag Team Title: LAX defeated Christopher Daniels and AJ Styles to win their second NWA Tag Team Title
Title vs. Career for the NWA World Heavyweight Title: Sting defeated Jeff Jarrett with the Scorpion Deathlock to win his second NWA World Heavyweight Title
Discussions?
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Pre-Show: Bobby Roode defeated Lance Hoyt (Ms. Brookes is Roode's new manager). No surprise. We all saw that one coming in the manager thing.
Kevin Nash X-Division Gauntlet Battle Royal: Austin Starr(Aries). Does it mean anything? I have a feeling that trophy days are numbered.
Four-Corners Tag Team Match: Team 3D, takes some time off and they come back to win. Pretty good tag match and nothing exactly super exciting.
Monster's Ball Match: Samoa Joe with a small assist by Jake who looked and sounded better than what was on Impact. They continued to build Angle/Joe afterward with a very sick Jim Cornette coming out saying Joe would be off the roster if he showed up in the main event. Prompted Angle to come out then Joe with started the whole "Security seporate them" thing again.
Loser Gets Fired: Eric Young short match...done pretty darn well too. Eric has some MAJOR charimsa.
X-Division Title Match: Chris Sabin...sets his head straight and beats Senshi for the belt tonight. Well, where do we head from here feeling for me. Sabin is a three time champion now.
8 Mile Street Fight: Christian Cage defeated Rhino...I keep waiting for Rhino to get the upper hand in this feud...doesn't seem to be the case.
LAX...are hot quite hot right now.
Title vs. Career for the NWA World Heavyweight Title: Sting and 16 years after his first NWA World Title win he's champion again. Is that a record or does Hogan hold that one? Anyways, Angle was no factor except to put the regular ref out to keep the match going. Jarrett tried the guitar but STING no sells it to get him locked in the Scorpian Death Lock.
Overall in a night of wrestling...I wasn't bored. It still feels a bit wierd to see Angle in TNA. I don't feel like it's a waist of money for TNA 90% of the time as I do the WWE when they produce crap. Pretty good PPV...pretty good night of wrestling.
Originally posted by jwrestleTitle vs. Career for the NWA World Heavyweight Title: Sting and 16 years after his first NWA World Title win he's champion again. Is that a record or does Hogan hold that one?
Hogan had all of his reigns back-to-back in consecutive years. From '83 - 2000, he had a title at least once during those years. Unless the BATB win over Jarrett doesn't count, then it's '83 - '99.
I don't know, unless Lou Thesz had something like that back in the day.
Originally posted by jwrestleTitle vs. Career for the NWA World Heavyweight Title: Sting and 16 years after his first NWA World Title win he's champion again. Is that a record or does Hogan hold that one?
Hogan had all of his reigns back-to-back in consecutive years. From '83 - 2000, he had a title at least once during those years. Unless the BATB win over Jarrett doesn't count, then it's '83 - '99.
I don't know, unless Lou Thesz had something like that back in the day.
Sounds like a good PPV.
What was Sammartino's length again?
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Bruno Sammartino's WWF Title reign, from 5/17/63 to 1/18/71, lasted a record 2,803 days. The next-longest reign lasted only a little more than half that, with Bob Backlund's '79-'83 run lasting 1,481 days.
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Makes me wonder if they use Sabin to open the door for Austin Starr (Austin Aries has a better ring to it), to challenge Sabin for the X title and win it, but you never can tell with TNA.
I still think the Kevin Nash Open Invitational X Division Over the top rope gauntlet battle royal at Bound For Glory is the best name for a match ever. But they totally missed the chance to make it even longer by throwing in either Inaugural or the First Annual at the beginning of the title.
Originally posted by FreewayI'm more depressed/shocked that they seem to be hotshotting Angle/Joe already, instead of sitting on it until the right time.
I think you have to do this to establish the top contender for the title. With the primetime debut just a month away, this is not a bad idea to help launch the new timeslot. Any other marquee match-up will involve those guys anyway; Angle/Sting or Joe/Sting would make the most sense if they don't crash Joe/Angle against each other. Angle/Jarrett means nothing now, and Angle's already gone through Christian and Rhino.
But the match and a possible rivalry becomes more meaningful down the line when they fight for the title.
"To be the man, you gotta beat demands." -- The Lovely Mrs. Tracker
Angle's gone through Christian and Rhino in another promotion. That shouldn't stop TNA from using those matches.
So is Angle a face or a heel?
To those who say people wouldn't look; they wouldn't be interested; they're too complacent, indifferent and insulated, I can only reply: There is, in one reporter's opinion, considerable evidence against that contention. But even if they are right, what have they got to lose? Because if they are right, and this instrument is good for nothing but to entertain, amuse and insulate, then the tube is flickering now and we will soon see that the whole struggle is lost. This instrument can teach, it can illuminate; yes, and it can even inspire. But it can do so only to the extent that humans are determined to use it to those ends. Otherwise it is merely wires, and lights, in a box.-Edward R. Murrow
Originally posted by oldschoolheroAngle's gone through Christian and Rhino in another promotion. That shouldn't stop TNA from using those matches.
While Rhino and Christian are both former TNA champs, they got there by beating JJ. Those three were never more than WWF/E midcarders and haven't anything to establish themselves beyond that for the casual viewer TNA hopes to get by moving to primetime. Angle is a bona-fide rasslin superstar, and his current packaging suggests he won't be working midcard comedy matches.
TNA would be brainless to grab Angle and make him tread water in the midcard. The title change gives them an opportunity to shuffle the main event picture, but Angle is a gigantic whale in a kiddie pool, and TNA should throw him in with their big dog (Joe) as soon as they can.
"To be the man, you gotta beat demands." -- The Lovely Mrs. Tracker
Joe's their big dog in perception only. He's yet to hold the world title, and he's got an undefeated streak to nurse. Both these guys need protecting. Who do you job in a match in November-the guy they've built up for the past eighteen months, or the biggest star signing in the company's history?
To those who say people wouldn't look; they wouldn't be interested; they're too complacent, indifferent and insulated, I can only reply: There is, in one reporter's opinion, considerable evidence against that contention. But even if they are right, what have they got to lose? Because if they are right, and this instrument is good for nothing but to entertain, amuse and insulate, then the tube is flickering now and we will soon see that the whole struggle is lost. This instrument can teach, it can illuminate; yes, and it can even inspire. But it can do so only to the extent that humans are determined to use it to those ends. Otherwise it is merely wires, and lights, in a box.-Edward R. Murrow
Originally posted by oldschoolheroJoe's their big dog in perception only. He's yet to hold the world title, and he's got an undefeated streak to nurse. Both these guys need protecting. Who do you job in a match in November-the guy they've built up for the past eighteen months, or the biggest star signing in the company's history?
Angle, and you make him an even angrier and more focused opponent by losing. It also helps elevate TNA as a promotion when their undefeated guy who never held its top title (and just happens to be their most popular guy) beats a six-time world champ.
"To be the man, you gotta beat demands." -- The Lovely Mrs. Tracker
Only in wrestling do we want companiess to sit on great matches. No one ever said, "man, I hope Foreman and Ali really draw out their match more, let it build for a few more years." No one says for UFC, "man I hope Tito and [whomever] don't fight this year."
Anyway, you job Angle in the match to Joe. That's simple booking. Angle doesn't need "protecting." And, again, we're not sure really sure how many matches Angle has left in him. This might have all the impact of Austin's post-walkout comeback before WM 18.
Didn't see the PPV, but no issues with the booking. Though, it is telling that in the 'biggest PPV in TNA history,' that Larry Z got a payoff.
I say have Angle put over Joe, but after JJ interference, leading to Angle beating JJ. Then Joe, hot off the Angle win and still undefeated, can beat Sting.
This booking gets the right people over and moves things right along.
Originally posted by Peter The HegemonAs far as we know, Angle isn't healthy enough to wrestle yet. Just because they're building to Angle/Joe doesn't mean it's coming all that soon.
I believe Angle mentioned in his press conference that he's healthier now than when he was in WWE.
First time I've ever ordered a TNA PPV since their four-sided ring days, and I thought it was pretty good.
On an overall note, they really need to coordinate their production/camerawork a lot better. Too many times was there a tight close up of a wrestler's face causing the viewer to totally miss a move. I think they even cut to a crowd shot in the middle of a 2 count during the main event.
I thought that the Monster's Ball match and 4-way tag both fell short of their potential. The Monster's Ball match went almost straight into the "big spots" and kind of left this feeling of "okay now what" for the rest of the match. Although, the faceplant into the tacks was pretty crazy, but they should have had a lot more build to the other spots. (Again poor camera work came into play here as the Abyss splash from the top wasn't even on screen when it happened. We only saw it through an instant replay.) I didn't like the tag match because they had The James Gang and AMW brawl to the back (never to be seen again), which seemed like a total cop out and kind of became a formulaic 3-D tag match (sans tables) after that.
The X-Division title match was great as I had hoped it would be. This was my first time seeing Sabin wrestle in a while (don't really watch Impact) and I thought he was pretty impressive. Low Ki (Senshi) was his usual awesome self. I wish that they would have more of these kinds of matches, more often. (To clarify: up tempo, intense, and innovative wrestling.)
I thought the LAX/Phenomenal Angels match had some great spots, but Earl Hebner's inability to avoid seeing LAX's interference was pretty much non-existent. And when the announcers are screaming "the ref doesn't see it" but he's clearly standing RIGHT NEXT TO IT it kind of kills the illusion/mood. If the match was supposed to be no DQ, the announcers weren't acting like it.
Rhyno/Christian was kind of there. I am impressed with how over Christian's catchphrase is though. I thought they should have ended it with the pile driver spot, then missed gore, as the actual finish was kind of hokey.
As soon as Angle explains why he head-butted Joe in the first place, I think I'll be okay with the angle. Right now, the intensity is there, and the 'why' of it is keeping me interested. But that's just my take.
Sting winning was a pretty big surprise, but was it just me, or did his upper body look like Flair's? Too much time in the tanning booth maybe? Anyway though, a pretty formulaic match that didn't wow me very much. Although, for some reason both Sting and Jarett looked much larger in the ring than a lot of the other wrestlers. And a quick question, since when was the Scorpion Death Drop downgraded to a regular move?
Don West: "You used to fly like that back in the day right?" Nash: "Oh yeah, back in the day." Mike Tenay: "What?! What day?" Nash: "Wednesday."
Semi-thumbs up from me. It left me wanting to watch more TNA so I guess it did it's job there.
(edited by Jericholic53 on 23.10.06 1256) It says so right here in the wcw handbook!
Originally posted by Peter The HegemonAs far as we know, Angle isn't healthy enough to wrestle yet. Just because they're building to Angle/Joe doesn't mean it's coming all that soon.
I believe Angle mentioned in his press conference that he's healthier now than when he was in WWE.
Really, I wouldn't take anything Angle said in that press conference at face value.
To those who say people wouldn't look; they wouldn't be interested; they're too complacent, indifferent and insulated, I can only reply: There is, in one reporter's opinion, considerable evidence against that contention. But even if they are right, what have they got to lose? Because if they are right, and this instrument is good for nothing but to entertain, amuse and insulate, then the tube is flickering now and we will soon see that the whole struggle is lost. This instrument can teach, it can illuminate; yes, and it can even inspire. But it can do so only to the extent that humans are determined to use it to those ends. Otherwise it is merely wires, and lights, in a box.-Edward R. Murrow
Originally posted by Peter The HegemonAs far as we know, Angle isn't healthy enough to wrestle yet. Just because they're building to Angle/Joe doesn't mean it's coming all that soon.
I believe Angle mentioned in his press conference that he's healthier now than when he was in WWE.
Really, I wouldn't take anything Angle said in that press conference at face value.
Oh I wouldn't either, but Dixie did say she had doctors check him out and he was ready to go. But right now, I'm still on the fence on what to believe.
Ok, so for each brand there are only 15 wrestlers entering the Rumble. My guess is that not every wrestler can just say that he or she is entering the Rumble. ------------------------------------------------------------ Q1: