Originally posted by mountinman44 I don't understand this Taker/Orton thing. it sounds like something they are just throwing together.
Legend Killer gimmick = Randy Orton
Undertaker = Undefeated at Wrestlemaina and also considered "A Legend"
Randy Orton + Undertaker = A suggestion by the Legend "Superstar" Billy Graham{sp?} to Orton to do something for everbody to remember at Wrestemania if you missed RAW tonight.
(edited by jwrestle on 1.3.05 0045)
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Dave Meltzer said UT-Orton was an idea being thrown around for WM. I guess it has gone past the idea stage.
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Interesting idea, but they'd better start putting together a justification quickly. With Michaels/Angle already on the card as a 'dream match', UT/Orton will not look special at all unless they can come up with an angle between the two. Another 'hey Teddy, I challenge so-and-so for WrestleMania' isn't going to cut it.
And I have no interest in seeing Orton snap Undertaker's WM streak. Orton's had less heat than the Yukon at night in February since he dropped the title, and I think if you're going to break UT's record you do it to try and put someone on the rise over the top...you don't do it as a desperate attempt to rejuvenate a stagnant character.
After Graham's suggestion, Orton said something about thinking along the same lines, and then we see he's reading Smackdown magazine--with Taker on the cover. Oooooooohhh!
I think Rick Scaia had it right--Orton snapping Taker's streak would be a good angle for NEXT year if they build to it well. But it would be too soon for this year.
This might be an interesting match-up if the winner wouldn't be so obvious. I am really not a fan of this undefeated-streak-legacy, since it just turns out to be annoying and seems all forced as of now. But hey, it gives both a (more or less) meaningful match, so it's fine with me.
I foresee Orton doing the job at Mania to the Streak, and then turning heel and switching to Smackdown, obsessed with maintaining his legacy as a Legend Killer and consumed with trying to beat Taker.
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I see no problem whatsoever with Orton being booked as the guy to end Taker's streak. If he wins and turns heel, then gets drafted to SmackDown, it could turn him into the top-level heel that he could've been were it not for the dumbass booking of the last six months. Why not?
Orton needs to win this match, and Orton needs to turn heel. He might also need to go to Smackdown. If, that is, they want him to be a top star in the coming years.
The thing that bothers me is that this could have been a VERY special match. "Legend vs. Legend Killer." As the number four match, that is a great match. At least it would have been if they would have planned ahead, started the build earlier, and made this a match to remember. But they didn't.
I don't have much doubt that Mania will be a good show, but I just think that the build to it has been lazy and thrown together.
Originally posted by GRLI foresee Orton doing the job at Mania to the Streak, and then turning heel and switching to Smackdown, obsessed with maintaining his legacy as a Legend Killer and consumed with trying to beat Taker.
I have a little trouble with Orton happily taking the advice of legend Graham to continue his legend-killer angle against Taker. He has no current feud. Why not sow the seeds of heeldom now by giving Graham some attitude?
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Originally posted by BigSteveI don't have much doubt that Mania will be a good show, but I just think that the build to it has been lazy and thrown together.
Agreed. I'm sure it will end up being a good show, but it certainly does not have that feel of the last few years. Over the past four WMs they've done a good job building the matches well in advance so that the show really felt like a payoff to a lot of things. Instead, this reminds me of WM 2000 where everything was kinda slapped together last minute and, while it made for an above average show, it didn't have that feel that Mania should have.
So far we know of four matches, there is speculation on a fifth (Jericho's match), but I couldn't even guess beyond that what might round out the lineup. There's no excuse for that. If they'd put half as much thought into the card as they must have for those movie spoofs, I think there'd be a lot more anticipation for this show.
In this day and age when PPVs are more common, even more common then last year, build ups are very hard to do. This Mania certainly has good build. HHH v Batista has been buliding since last Decemeber, only ME that comes close in recent years is Lesnar/Angle which also built at that time. HBK/Angle has been building since the Rumble, Cena/JBL to be fair is only building since No Way Out but Cena did F-U JBL afew days after the Rumble. Another thing is that there is still 4 Raws and 5 Smackdowns left which is over normal PPV build, so three matches now and probably another 3 by next week with 3 Raws and 3 Smackdowns left is good build over past Manias compared in my opinion.
Looking back to last year following the Rumble the seeds were sew for three matches Kane/Taker (which didnt even feature the Dead man on TV at all), Lesnar/Goldbereg (Who only interacted at No Way Out and then nothing) and Benoit/HHH/HBK. The WWE title had nothing until Eddie won the title and had 4 weeks with Angle, The only very long build last year was Y2J/Christian which strethed for months.
And if there is to be a Rey/Eddie bout, they already have afew months behind them for a feud. So all things considered this is up there with builds towards Mania.
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