I read the story I wasn't even going to ackonwledge this asshole's existance...
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Indeed. When all anyone can talk about is Tillman's high character and selflessness (especially those who knew him) it takes a real cocksucker to suggest otherwise, but now he's got some attention on himself, which is probably all the writer was trying to get anyway. Prick.
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As JayJay Dean pointed out, this fuckstick is trying to make a name for himself ... here's an idea, let's take this guy and drop him off in some neighborhoods in New York and see if he decides to retract his story ... If he wants to compare shit to his home neighborhood in Puerto Rico, let him go back there on the next boat out.
Do you think this Douche-Nozzle appreciates the irony in the fact that it's these "Rambo idiots" like Tillman that allow him to spew his garbage in a University newspaper...??
Originally posted by Mayhem As JayJay Dean pointed out, this fuckstick is trying to make a name for himself ... here's an idea, let's take this guy and drop him off in some neighborhoods in New York and see if he decides to retract his story ... If he wants to compare shit to his home neighborhood in Puerto Rico, let him go back there on the next boat out.
Better yet, let's drop him at Camp Pendleton or even better introduce him to Tillman's brother.
What a dumbass, I hate people like this who try to be cool by bucking the system "to make a name"....I wonder if this kid has shown up for any of his classes since this came out? I can imagine more than one person has hunted down this kid's schedule
"I'm not that big, but I'm fast, I'm pretty sure I can outrun the whole Dallas Cowboys team." --high school senior RB (and possible future Boomer Sooner) Adrian Peterson on his thoughts on his chances in the NFL
Am I the only person who hope this kid signs into the NFL and Roy Williams and Parcells get to let that comment stew for the next 7 months?
Having been a columnist, it's doing the same thing in an opinion page what we here would call trolling. DOing something to get attention and to make some sort of name for oneself offends me more than ANYTHING he wrote about Tillman.
And college newspapers are really bad about that, since usually it's the editorial staff sitting around with a gravity bong* daring one person to do something like this
Our local Fox affiliate will be covering this on the 10 o'clock news tonight. I can't believe they're giving this idiot this much press. It's exactly what he wants.
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When the death of Pat Tillman occurred, I turned to my friend who was watching the news with me and said, "How much you want to bet they start talking about him as a 'hero' in about two hours?" Of course, my friend did not want to make that bet. He'd lose. In this self-critical incapable nation, nothing but a knee-jerk "He's a hero" response is to be expected.
I've been mystified at the absolute nonsense of being in "awe" of Tillman's "sacrifice" that has been the American response. Mystified, but not surprised. True, it's not everyday that you forgo a $3.6 million contract for joining the military. And, not just the regular army, but the elite Army Rangers. You know he was a real Rambo, who wanted to be in the "real" thick of things. I could tell he was that type of macho guy, from his scowling, beefy face on the CNN pictures. Well, he got his wish. Even Rambo got shot in the third movie, but in real life, you die as a result of being shot. They should call Pat Tillman's army life "Rambo 4: Rambo Attempts to Strike Back at His Former Rambo 3 Taliban Friends, and Gets Killed."
But, does that make him a hero? I guess it's a matter of perspective. For people in the United States, who seem to be unable to admit the stupidity of both the Afghanistan and Iraqi wars, such a trade-off in life standards (if not expectancy) is nothing short of heroic. Obviously, the man must be made of "stronger stuff" to have had decided to "serve" his country rather than take from it. It's the old JFK exhortation to citizen service to the nation, and it seems to strike an emotional chord. So, it's understandable why Americans automatically knee-jerk into hero worship.
However, in my neighborhood in Puerto Rico, Tillman would have been called a "pendejo," an idiot. Tillman, in the absurd belief that he was defending or serving his all-powerful country from a seventh-rate, Third World nation devastated by the previous conflicts it had endured, decided to give up a comfortable life to place himself in a combat situation that cost him his life. This was not "Ramon or Tyrone," who joined the military out of financial necessity, or to have a chance at education. This was a "G.I. Joe" guy who got what was coming to him. That was not heroism, it was prophetic idiocy.
Tillman, probably acting out his nationalist-patriotic fantasies forged in years of exposure to Clint Eastwood and Rambo movies, decided to insert himself into a conflict he didn't need to insert himself into. It wasn't like he was defending the East coast from an invasion of a foreign power. THAT would have been heroic and laudable. What he did was make himself useful to a foreign invading army, and he paid for it. It's hard to say I have any sympathy for his death because I don't feel like his "service" was necessary. He wasn't defending me, nor was he defending the Afghani people. He was acting out his macho, patriotic crap and I guess someone with a bigger gun did him in.
Perhaps it's the old, dreamy American thought process that forces them to put sports greats and "larger than life" sacrificial lambs on the pedestal of heroism, no matter what they've done. After all, the American nation has no other role to play but to be the cheerleaders of the home team; a sad role to have to play during conflicts that suffer from severe legitimacy and credibility problems.
Matters are a little clearer for those living outside the American borders. Tillman got himself killed in a country other than his own without having been forced to go over to that country to kill its people. After all, whether we like them or not, the Taliban is more Afghani than we are. Their resistance is more legitimate than our invasion, regardless of the fact that our social values are probably more enlightened than theirs. For that, he shouldn't be hailed as a hero, he should be used as a poster boy for the dangerous consequences of too much "America is #1," frat boy, propaganda bull. It might just make a regular man irrationally drop $3.6 million to go fight in a conflict that was anything but "self-defense." The same could be said of the unusual belief of 50 percent of the American nation that thinks Saddam Hussein was behind Sept. 11. One must indeed stand in awe of the amazing success of the American propaganda machine. It works wonders.
Al-Qaeda won't be defeated in Afghanistan, even if we did kill all their operatives there. Only through careful and logical changing of the underlying conditions that allow for the ideology to foster will Al-Qaeda be defeated. Ask the Israelis if 50 years of blunt force have eradicated the Palestinian resistance. For that reason, Tillman's service, along with that of thousands of American soldiers, has been wrongly utilized. He did die in vain, because in the years to come, we will realize the irrationality of the War on Terror and the American reaction to Sept. 11. The sad part is that we won't realize it before we send more people like Pat Tillman over to their deaths.
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Sorry about the formatting, I cut and pasted it out of an email that is giving out the writer's email, phone and address so that everyone can harrass him.
Feel free to flame me but, other than the 2nd paragraph (where the writer calls him Rambo) I find little offensive about this. I admire Tillman for his sacrafice but I to wonder if it was in vain. I wonder if our current actions in the middle east are doing any good and worry that they are actually making things worse.
Do the terrorists need to pay. YES
However we are stretched too thin by fighting in two contries. The administration has taken resoures from the fight on terror and used them to finish a family feud.
The writer has every right to voice this opinion and instead of going to the knee jerk reaction of this guy is an idiot, maybe we should read the whole article. Take into account that not everyone is happy with what we are doing around the world. And maybe we don't know what is best for everyone.
Tillman is a hero to me, for being willing to give it all up to serve his country. But unfortunatly his sacrafice will do little good if we take away the freedom to speak your mind in our country, and by arogently wielding our power in the world create future terrorist trying to take out a select few.
So go ahead and call the writer names, say that he should be deported since he isn't even american and its america's freedoms that let him write this. Its your right.
But some of us will read a little father and see that the writer has some good points, and feel a little sadder that we lost a hero who was part of an occuping force, fighting a war that we won't win by killing Osama, removing Saddam or forcing our will on a region that doesn't want us there.
brick, I read the whole pathetic thing, and yes the writer is a total idiot, a racist, and makes pretty much zero valid points.
" This was not "Ramon or Tyrone," who joined the military out of financial necessity, or to have a chance at education. This was a "G.I. Joe" guy who got what was coming to him. That was not heroism, it was prophetic idiocy. "
Yes, he was a rich white guy so he's an idiot for joining, unlike them Mexicans and blacks who have to. Cause no one intelligent would ever join the military for a reason other than being poor. Fucking moron.
God forbid we take a "knee-jerk" reaction to his retardation, cause he clearly took his time to think about this issue before deciding how he felt:
"When the death of Pat Tillman occurred, I turned to my friend who was watching the news with me and said, "How much you want to bet they start talking about him as a 'hero' in about two hours?" Of course, my friend did not want to make that bet. He'd lose. In this self-critical incapable nation, nothing but a knee-jerk "He's a hero" response is to be expected. "
Right there he critizises everyone else for their quick reactions, while doing the exact same damn thing himself. This whole article is garbage. Poorly written, by a poor excuse for a human being.
We don't need to put up with crap like this. I want him out of my country.
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Originally posted by Nuclear WinterWe don't need to put up with crap like this. I want him out of my country.
Your country? Well thank bloody God you came down from the mountain to proclaim that you want HIM out of YOUR country! And as far as the military defending our freedoms, our freedom has been threatened in war once. And it was the first one we were in. Our freedoms were not threatened in WW2(unless of course you were Japanese and then it's off to the camps with you)no matter what Hitler tried. I am so tired of someone blasting this guy for criticizing the armed forces who are ironically defending his right to do so(by that logic). And then they turn around in the next sentence and say "how DARE he make such a statement" and "we don't need to put up with crap like this." Freedom of speech is a tough thing. It is not always easy to listen to statements that make your blood boil. But suck it up.
I do not agree with a fair bit of what this gentleman said. But, it is his right. And quite honestly a lot of people feel as he does right now but are unwilling to say so at this time. My personal opinion on this whole situation is this...Pat Tillman died for what he believed in and that is commendable(if misguided). It's quite popular to mention that he walked away from a large sum of money(3.6 million per I think) to commit himself to the selfless service of his country. I have kind of a different take that I've not heard from anyone else on that though. I think that it was his moral obligation to take care of his family with the oppurtunities presented to him. How many kids in his family(his own, nieces,nephews,cousins...)could've gone to college on that money? I'm not familiar with his financial background but to my way of thinking unless he/they were very well off then he was in a position to better quite a few lives. I do not know if his death was in vain. Time will teach us all the lessons on that. I do not believe that our current military strategy will effectively silence the forces who are opposing us(brute force rarely does that to deeply held idealogy). But I do know that his family would be better off with a live husband/son than a dead "hero"...just my opinion though...it IS my right, you know.
Originally posted by StaggerLeeWell, he isnt FROM this country. The one I am from, so yes, it is MY contry.
He has every right to say what he said, correct. Just like I have every right to call him a trolling, shit for brain, ass monkey.
BTW, just because we havent been threatened ON OUR SOIL, doesnt mean that people who are serving, even overseas, are not protecting this nation.
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Him being from Puerto Rico makes the United States HIS country too as they are a US territory, and anyone born there is a US citizen. Everything else you said I agree with 100%. He may have the right to his opinion, but I have an equal amount of right to disagree with it.
Of course him being from UMass/Amherst, which people around here also call "Happy Valley", they believe in freedom of speech as long as you agree with them.
Originally posted by bigtotoroAnd as far as the military defending our freedoms, our freedom has been threatened in war once. And it was the first one we were in. Our freedoms were not threatened in WW2(unless of course you were Japanese and then it's off to the camps with you)no matter what Hitler tried.
I'd just like to point out how silly this statement is. World War Two was not all about Hitler. We also fought the Japanese, who attacked us on OUR SOIL and I'm sure many of the men on the USS Arizona would have prefered that their freedom to live had not been taken away.
That part of your post really takes away from the point you were trying to make.
Originally posted by BOSsportsfan34Him being from Puerto Rico makes the United States HIS country too as they are a US territory, and anyone born there is a US citizen.
Most of my Puerto Rican friends in high school considered themselves Puerto Rican FIRST, and a US citizen second.
Maybe it's a DC thing, but take it for what you will.