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#1 Posted on
Let us look at some of the decisions in regards to contenders for World Titles since last Rumble.

Trip: Out for 8 months. First match back wins Rumble to get World Title shot at Mania. Wins belt.

Hogan: Away from fed for a decade. Testified against Vince in federal court (this shows that Austin won't be buried when he returns, because if anyone deserved to be buried, it was Hogan). First match after over a year off against Flex at Mania. Loses, but becomes #1 Contender. Wins belt next PPV.

Flex: Takes a few months off. Returns and is automatically placed in a three way match for the World Title. In only his second match upon his return (maybe 3rd, can't remember exactly), wins World Title.

Undertaker: Jumps to SD, and automatically is placed in #1 Contender's match against wrestlers who already competed. Wins match, in world title match next 2 ppv's.

Trip: Loses to Michaels at Summerslam. Goes over Taker the next night. Awarded World Title belt next week on RAW.

Big Slug: Garbage on RAW. Jumps to SD after beating 3MW, and because he beats up Taker, becomes #1 Contender. Wins Belt at Survivor Series.

Scott Steiner: Has not worked as a face as a singles wrestler in a decade. Except for a few matches in WWA, has not worked a match in 21 months. Without even a match to show he can work WWF/E style, becomes #1 contender for Rumble.

Thus, its better to come back from years off (unless your Benoit, then you job to the Bubba and Spike in a tables match in your first match) or to show up on another show in becoming a main eventer, than it is to work through the ranks in most instances.


edit: And of course, who can forget the leader of it all, HBK. 1 match in the WWF/E in 4 and a half years, and he goes over 5 guys to win the World Title.

(edited by redsoxnation on 17.12.02 1226)


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#2 Posted on
Remember, Rock did it once before, too. During the Invasion, he returned from filming the Scorpion King and in his second match back, won the WCW title at Summerslam.



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#3 Posted on
They just want to capitalize on the momentum of returning stars. It's easy to understand - fans love big comebacks.




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#4 Posted on

    Originally posted by Parts Unknown
    They just want to capitalize on the momentum of returning stars. It's easy to understand - fans love big comebacks.








For a Flex, Hogan, Trip (at the time) and even HBK, its understandable. However, Scott Steiner was a hideous draw as WCW champ (sub 2 main event ratings for his world title matches). It just has to really make the rest of the roster feel happy though seeing guys walk in and jump to the main events, especially if they don't have to work house shows. The one thing this pattern does show is that the capitalizing on the name guys when they come back hasn't kept the fan base.



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#5 Posted on
The pattern will continue next year as Rock vs. Goldberg is the expected Wrestlemania main event. It just goes to show, it doesn't pay to "pay your dues."

Also, the pattern in the last year was that only ONE wrestler was elevated to main event status - Brock Lesnar. Everyone else who won the title was a previous champion.

It doesn't pay to be a mid-carder either.
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#6 Posted on

    Originally posted by skorpio17
    The pattern will continue next year as Rock vs. Goldberg is the expected Wrestlemania main event. It just goes to show, it doesn't pay to "pay your dues."

    Also, the pattern in the last year was that only ONE wrestler was elevated to main event status - Brock Lesnar. Everyone else who won the title was a previous champion.

    It doesn't pay to be a mid-carder either.


Jericho?




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#7 Posted on

    Originally posted by Pool-Boy

      Originally posted by skorpio17
      The pattern will continue next year as Rock vs. Goldberg is the expected Wrestlemania main event. It just goes to show, it doesn't pay to "pay your dues."

      Also, the pattern in the last year was that only ONE wrestler was elevated to main event status - Brock Lesnar. Everyone else who won the title was a previous champion.

      It doesn't pay to be a mid-carder either.


    Jericho?





Jericho won the world title in 2001. This is encapsulating the year 2002, thus Jericho was World Champion entering the year.



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#8 Posted on

    Originally posted by redsoxnation

      Originally posted by Parts Unknown
      They just want to capitalize on the momentum of returning stars. It's easy to understand - fans love big comebacks.








    For a Flex, Hogan, Trip (at the time) and even HBK, its understandable. However, Scott Steiner was a hideous draw as WCW champ (sub 2 main event ratings for his world title matches). It just has to really make the rest of the roster feel happy though seeing guys walk in and jump to the main events, especially if they don't have to work house shows. The one thing this pattern does show is that the capitalizing on the name guys when they come back hasn't kept the fan base.



You can't blame the Stiener title reign for Nitro's low ratings. The show was practically going respirator stlye by then. I think the only people watching were me, you, and of course Ekedolphin. I actually liked Stiener as champ way more than Nash, Hogan, Savage, Sting, DDP, and Jarrett. Him and Booker's feud and my love for self masochism were the things that kept me watching.
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#9 Posted on
I think there was something posted by Keller on the Torch site that the Nitro ratings were in the mid to low 1's but would jump over a full ratings point whenever Steiner had a match.
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#10 Posted on

    Originally posted by fuelinjected
    I think there was something posted by Keller on the Torch site that the Nitro ratings were in the mid to low 1's but would jump over a full ratings point whenever Steiner had a match.








I don't know about that. I remember distinctly a Scott Steiner/Jeff Jarrett World Title match that had a quarter hour rating under 2 in I believe February 2001. And one of the points where I started to really lose faith in WCW was in the Uncle Eric/Scott Steiner ego vehicle that was the NWO Tonight Show. At that point in '98 I thought that perhaps trouble was lurking (that, and Flair getting fucked over that summer, but thats another story). Who at that time would ever think Flair/Uncle Eric and Steiner would be in the ring for a RAW main event that involved an interview, and Flair wouldn't be speaking.



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#11 Posted on
Speaking as an eternal WCW fanboy, I always thought Steiner was awesome. Of course his best wrestling days are behind him, and he can be known to get a little out of control sometimes, but that zaniness is what made him so fun. I was thrilled when I knew the main event for the last WCW PPV right here in good ol' Jacksonville, FL was Steiner vs. DDP. Well, not thrilled that it was the last pay per view, but happy we at least pulled a semi-decent main event.



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#12 Posted on

    Originally posted by skorpio17
    The pattern will continue next year as Rock vs. Goldberg is the expected Wrestlemania main event. It just goes to show, it doesn't pay to "pay your dues."

    Also, the pattern in the last year was that only ONE wrestler was elevated to main event status - Brock Lesnar. Everyone else who won the title was a previous champion.

    It doesn't pay to be a mid-carder either.



It was revoked really fast, but Rob Van Dam did have a short Undisputed WWE Championship reign. ..



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#13 Posted on
I wouldn't say it's better to come back from an injury or switch shows than to work up the ranks. The only reason those people got title shots was because they are main eventers. I mean look at other guys who came back from injuries or switched shows.

Rico - stuck with the most boring tag team

Benoit - has gotten a nice feud and tag titles, so I guess he has slightly benefited.

Eddie - ok so it wasn't really an injury, but he came back he didn't get a title shot

D-Von - he switched shows too and now he's just stuck in the old Dudley schtik

Batista - having boring matches with Kane

Maven - he came back from injury and now is getting beat by Harvard Chris every week


So if you look at just the main eventers then yes that is the case, because they are main eventers. But when you take the whole company into consideration your theory is not true.



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#14 Posted on

    Originally posted by NotTripleH

      Originally posted by skorpio17
      The pattern will continue next year as Rock vs. Goldberg is the expected Wrestlemania main event. It just goes to show, it doesn't pay to "pay your dues."

      Also, the pattern in the last year was that only ONE wrestler was elevated to main event status - Brock Lesnar. Everyone else who won the title was a previous champion.

      It doesn't pay to be a mid-carder either.



    It was revoked really fast, but Rob Van Dam did have a short Undisputed WWE Championship reign. ..



When was this? I think I'd remember an RVD title run.

Also, boring matches or not Batista is on his way to becoming a main eventer because he switched shows.
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    Originally posted by NotTripleH

      Originally posted by skorpio17
      The pattern will continue next year as Rock vs. Goldberg is the expected Wrestlemania main event. It just goes to show, it doesn't pay to "pay your dues."

      Also, the pattern in the last year was that only ONE wrestler was elevated to main event status - Brock Lesnar. Everyone else who won the title was a previous champion.

      It doesn't pay to be a mid-carder either.



    It was revoked really fast, but Rob Van Dam did have a short Undisputed WWE Championship reign. ..



Well, according to precedents set in previous title matches (HHH vs. Jericho in 2000, for example), a decision reversal nullifies the previous decision. In other words, RVD's title reign never happened.



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#16 Posted on

    Originally posted by Santa Sangre
    You can't blame the Stiener title reign for Nitro's low ratings. The show was practically going respirator stlye by then. I think the only people watching were me, you, and of course Ekedolphin. I actually liked Stiener as champ way more than Nash, Hogan, Savage, Sting, DDP, and Jarrett. Him and Booker's feud and my love for self masochism were the things that kept me watching.


i just feel like bringing steiner to wwe to main-event was the wrong idea for the wwe. the reason the wwf was beating out wcw for such a long time, was that wcw relied on old men & has-been wwf stars to main-event, keeping all the young guys down, whereas the wwf had new faces like the rock, hhh, and austin. i actually found the steiner-booker feud terrible (even though i DID like their last-wcw-ever championship match from a pure wrestling standpoint), in the sense that steiner was another one of the old men shoved down our throats every week, and booker was some tag team wrestler who i still wasn't buying as a main-eventer.

bringing steiner over to the wwe, to me, is the wrong move, because it just shows that they're relying on "big names" over creating new talent, just like wcw did to start their downfall.
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#17 Posted on
To me Steiner is another in a long line of operation push HHH. He will most probably follow the rule of all WCW transplants.

1 Come into WWe with huge push and main title spot.
2 Job to established star.
3 Take spot in midcard.
4 Lose all heat.



(edited by Santa Sangre on 18.12.02 0905)
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.96

    Originally posted by Santa Sangre
    To me Steiner is another in a long line of operation push HHH. He will most probably follow the rule of all WCW transplants.

    1 Come into WWe with huge push and main title spot.
    2 Job to established star.
    3 Take spot in midcard.
    4 Lose all heat.



    (edited by Santa Sangre on 18.12.02 0905)



Chris Benoit
-Entered WWF in January 2000 with The Radicalz (Guerrero/Malenko/Saturn).
-Feuded with Triple H for two weeks, turned on Foley to turn heel, feuded with Jericho & The Rock for rest of the year.
-Feuded with Jericho again, then feuded with Billy Gunn, then turned face and teamed with Jericho against HHH/Austin, beating them. Feuded with Austin, got injured.
-YEAR OFF
-Returned, feuding and jobbing to Bubba Dudley before beating him, winning the Intercontinental Title & jumping to SmackDown!, then losing title to R.V.D. (and SmackDown). Has since feuded with any combination of Guerrero/Angle/Edge.

I don't see how Benoit jobbed and lost all his heat. I guess that's probably because Benoit IS GOD (or he left WCW on his own, dropping their title, and walking to the WWF).



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#19 Posted on
I know that Benoit was somewhat an exception to the rule. He was getting extremely over before his neck injury last year. I really think he would've gotten that world title run had he not gone down. But he did screw up his neck and we got that Jericho title run in it's place.

What kills me is that Benoit did fall into this pattern when he came back from his injury. He jobbed out to Bubba, traded wins with RVD for the IC title, and won the tag titles. Now that looks good on his resume, but he is not at the top of the card like he was before his injury. IMO he is never going to get a real chance at the world title again.
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#20 Posted on

    Originally posted by Quezzy
    I wouldn't say it's better to come back from an injury or switch shows than to work up the ranks. The only reason those people got title shots was because they are main eventers. I mean look at other guys who came back from injuries or switched shows.

    Rico - stuck with the most boring tag team

    Benoit - has gotten a nice feud and tag titles, so I guess he has slightly benefited.

    Eddie - ok so it wasn't really an injury, but he came back he didn't get a title shot

    D-Von - he switched shows too and now he's just stuck in the old Dudley schtik

    Batista - having boring matches with Kane

    Maven - he came back from injury and now is getting beat by Harvard Chris every week


    So if you look at just the main eventers then yes that is the case, because they are main eventers. But when you take the whole company into consideration your theory is not true.



I would disagree on Eddie. Remember before Eddie left the first time? He was fooling around with the Hardyz and had dropped the Euro title to Matt, he wasn't anywhere near IC level. Then he runs in after RVD easily beats Booker, beats down RVD, wins back to back PPV's aganist Rob and wins the IC title, and gets put into a fued with Austin..... so even for an upper-midcarder, it's good to return.



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