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BoromirMark
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Since: 8.5.02
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Moving to Augusta, GA, from Michigan is quite the endurance trial. But I'm done, so woot, hopefully I'll get some responses in on the other threads. As for now, enjoy this little blurb.

I am an 18-year old conservative. Please, hold your shock til the end. I'm sure most of you are flabbergasted, as conservatives are "evil" and want to destroy your lives. Those of you who think that, congratulations, you're another feces-spewing drone follower of the liberal media. You see, I'm a conservative because I have common sense. I look at society today, and this is what I see: rampant and unabashed drug useage, underage sex and pregnancies, underage drinking, school shootings, Republicans being turned into demons in the eyes of the press and the masses, and abortion (although this is really a true debateable topic). Along with those, is a majority of Americans whole-heartedly supporting those insults to civilization. And it all boils down to one thing, people passing the buck. Not holding themselves RESPONSIBLE.

To begin with, it'd help to take a summary of the course of the degradation society has had. This excerpt from the Marine Corps Gazette, a piece written by William S. Lind, does just that.

"Starting in the mid-1960s, we have thrown away the values, morals, and standards that define traditional Western culture. In part, this has been driven by cultural radicals, people who hate our Judeo-Christian culture. Dominant in the elite, especially in the universities, the media, and the entertainment industries (now the most powerful force in our culture and a source of endless degradation), the cultural radicals have successfully pushed an agenda of moral relativism, militant secularism, and sexual and social "liberation". This agenda has slowly codified into a new ideology, usually known as "politcal correctness", that is in essence Marxism translated from economic into social and cultural terms."

The only problem in this paragraph is his use of the phrase "traditional Western culture". This lends itself to different semantical attacks by the radicals, either under "tradition" or "Western culture", and thus allowing those radicals to sidestep the point. I would replace "traditional Western culture" with "right from wrong.", as in "that define right from wrong."

What he has basically said is that now, things that are bankrupt and void of any kind of civility, are now widely accepted and defended by people in our society. Questioning of morals, values, and primciples. The attempt to coddle and pander to the misguided whinings of peoples who wish for equality, have had it granted, and now wish to become dominant instead of equal. These things, along with the list I mentioned in my first blurb, are the scourge of today's America.

The problem? People's mindsets. This is explained by retired Marine Lt. Gen. Bernard Trainor.

"When I got out of boot camp in 1946, society was different. It was more disciplined, and most Americans trusted the government...it was an entirely different society, one that thought more about its responsibilities than its 'rights'."

People today have become lazy, selfish, complacent, and unmotivated. Of course there were people like that back in 1946, but there were a mere handful. Today, mistrust and self-centeredness are the norm. People do not want to be responsible for anyone or anything, other people are mere fodder and stepstools to more and more power, money, and pleasure. Instead of caring about others, instead of trying to better society and progress society, people care more about getting laid, having shiny new things, of supposed fun over work. This has led to the plagues, the vile "ideas" that now destroy the fabric of civilization.

Drug Useage - Health and well-being are of no concern to drug users. They care only for the supplication of their addiction, and of their need to feel mere biological and hormonal stimulation than of emotional and intellectual wells being filled. Instead of the feeling of knowing you have made a person's day better, drug users would rather create a seedy black market, wallow in the fog and haziness of a "high", and completely ignore the obstacles society must hurdle. Why? Because they want the stimulation, the selfish indulgence of a poison. Pathetic.

Underage Sex - More and more teenagers are having sex, and on top of that, more and more teenagers are having children. Yet no one really seems to find a problem in either of these, and why? They wish to pass the buck, it's another shirking of responsibility. People today claim to seperate lust and love, and they do, in only the wrong way. People will have sex with a person without loving them, instead of CONTAINING their primal need to be carnal. Instead of having self-control. And because of this, teenagers pick up on the vibe of "rampant sex with people is normal", and so delve into experimentation themselves, far before it is even RIGHT to start doing so. And of course, pregnancies are easily covered by abortion, aren't they?

Abortion - This is a debateable topic, truly, but I am against abortion, NOT because of the killing of a child (although that factors in), but for the fact that abortion is another passing of the buck. Instead of taking responsibility for your actions, your CHOICE, as an adult, you wish to slaughter a new life in order to have one less "hassle". Instead of being a parent. How sad and low these people are. Rape is the only justifiable source for an abortion.

School Shootings - Now that teachers are unable to truly teach a student (and parents do not choose to teach their child what to do and what not to do, either, if parents even stay together) right from wrong, with the loss of the ability to punish with a paddle, there has become a new wave in schools today. That of the clique, of the socially elite. Yes, it has always been around, but it is now enflammed in our age. People, bright and intelligent and FEELING people, are shunned, insulted, ostracized, and spat upon because they lack the social talents, or the physical talents, of those who are "popular". These people then go home, to see their parents fall apart and divorce, to their lack of friends, their news of crime, disgust, and corruption in society. This doesn't help nurture a soul, this destroys a soul and causes a Columbine. Throwing the buck to "video games, music, and TV" is ignoring the problem at hand. The problem of children and teens learning they can get away with whatever they want, without repercussion. Another shirking of responsibility by adults.
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If you truly think conservatives are demonized in the press I want you to do something. Watch a news channel (preferably Fox News, but really any of them will do) and see how many times the word "conservative" is used as an insult. Maybe once a day, but it's a rarity. See how many times "liberal" is used as an insult. You're going to need a good calculator. If anyone is making conservative pundits and politicians look bad it is conservative pundits and politicians. On 99.9% of the talk shows they are on with liberals, they are the first to use insults. Even on this board, conservatives are the first to make personal attacks (see "feces-spewing" in your post).

Ask any black man, working woman, gay individual, or person with socialist leanings how enlightened and wonderful America was before the mid-sixties. Oh...I forgot, they are just whiners and idiots.

Drug useage is an epidemic, but how is a person who smokes pot any different than the stadiums and bars full of drunks?

Teen pregnancy is a problem too, but conservatives are against giving out birth control or even talking about sex and its consequences in school. Maybe we should just go back to the good old days, when a pregnant girl was shipped to a "home". Gets the dirty slut out of our hair, but the father plays good football so he gets to stay...oh and never has to pay child support.

School shootings. Well, this will probably catch me a lot of shit, but there is one EASY way to get rid of school shootings. I'll give you a hint, Britain has had 0 school shootings. So has Canada. Maybe if these kids weren't able to access more firepower than Keanu in The Matrix, we wouldn't have this problem.

How is educating people about these problems, a primary goal of many liberals, "passing the buck"?



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BoromirMark
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Since: 8.5.02
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I'll be sure to do that test, sometime. Probably tomorrow or the next day, as I'll be able to snag the TV from my roommate and do that kind of research.

I agree with those problems, that existed before the 60s. And yes, they needed to be addressed. But not in such a way that it destroys the rest of society and brings it down into a fiery collapse.

Did I condone "drunks" in my thing? I don't think so. However, drugs can be gotten rid of more easily and are actually a PROBLEM. Alcoholics seek help, at least, while pot-users strive to defend their addiction.

A) Birth control shouldn't even be needed in the first place. Why do we have to have sex as a couple, instead of waiting for marriage and when you are ready for kids? Pleasure?? You can't masturbate? Love?? There's a problem with snuggling, hugging? It's called restraint, self-control. But again, that'd require people to be unselfish. B) I agree, that was dumb. Both people are at fault, and need to take their share of responsibility with the child. That's all I'm advocating, if teenagers are so friggin rowdy that they must have sex. Which they MUSTN'T.

Yes, your idea would work. School shootings would end. We'd then get school stabbings. Knives or sharp things banned? Ok, school bludgeonings. What, blunt things banned? Gotcha, school beat-to-death-with-fists. Are you seeing the point? It's not the weapon, it's the mentality. An inanimate object with no sentience or soul doesn't make a person kill another or wish harm on another, that person themself does. And there's always a reason for it, in that person's mind, and it's what needs to be address. Not control of "weapons".

Because that's not what liberals are advocating. Liberals (I'm not saying Democrats, I'm saying liberals) support pot and other drugs, support "gun control", support reverse discrimination laws, back the media, back the entertainment industries, and support rampant sex. They then half-handedly say they want to create programs to "educate", that do nothing but talk and do not truly address the problem. That's assnine.

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how did you wind up on a wrestling board? And doesn't your name hint that you support the entertainment industry? Have you ever seen any of Peter Jackson's other movies?


Aside from that, alchoholics don't seek help, and caffeine or suger or tabacco addicts don't either. If drugs were such a problem, we'd all be screwed by now, and if they were so easily eliminated, it'd be done by now.

As for sex, how is it at all selfish to have sex? I think it's selfish to say nobody can have sex just because you aren't.

Either Borimirmark is just a joke, or he is seriously demented.



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Since: 6.1.02
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18 and you're already nostalgic about 'the good old days?" I'd hate to see what you'll be like at 80 ;)



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Since: 8.1.02
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Being largely conservative, I agree with much of what BoromirMark is saying, only that I agree that many of the societal features he is describing definately pre-date the 1960s. Sometimes conservatives can get caught up in that decade, and for right reasons, without getting a more historical perspective and a look at intellectual history. Movements such as biblical criticism in the 19th century (even earlier if you count Enlightenment philosophes), Marxism, Darwinism, existentialism, etc., all helped pave the way for degenerating traditional Judeo-Christian values throughout Europe and America well before the 1960s. Remember the 1920s, (you probably don't) the "Roaring 20's", with girls dancing as flappers, excessive (and illegal) drinking, criticisms of "strict, Puritan" America, and other Progressive Era values were thrown in Americans faces back then, with conservatives complaining about them.

So it has been a long haul- American society has not turned to mush in just 30-40 years. But most historians do seem to agree that the 60s generation did introduce radical changes to our country. The debate is more over whether they are good or bad changes.

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    Originally posted by eviljonhunt81
    how did you wind up on a wrestling board?
This *particular* forum isn't about wrestling, mind.

    I think it's selfish to say nobody can have sex just because you aren't.
Easy there.

    Either Borimirmark is just a joke, or he is seriously demented.
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