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Since: 25.4.02
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#1 Posted on
I still get emotional when I see that stuff.

WWE put themselves in an uncomfortable position when they included the Owen Tribute Show on the voting list for Raw moments...I certainly wouldn't call it "great", so to speak, but definitely memorable. And I speak as someone who was Owen mark #1 AND was in attendance at the Kiel Center for that show.

I remember the crowd being hot for everything, even the Superastros tapings(which featured Kaientai and Tiger Mask(IV?) against Super Loco, Papi Chulo, and Apollo Dantes). Gotta love St. Louis wrestling crowds, they're always enthusiastic. I also remember some newbie named Kurt Angle wrestling a dark match.

If the Owen Tribute Show wins in the voting, that means they'll have to show stuff from it AGAIN on the anniversary show...

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Since: 2.1.02
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#2 Posted on
I wasn't watching WWF when all of the Owen stuff happened, so last night was the first time I saw it. Man, you could feel Jeff Jarrett's pain. I've never seen him be sincere or human, but he showed his true colors on the Owen tribute. Wow.




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Since: 22.10.02
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#3 Posted on
Wow....

Never expected this show to ever hit an emotional chord like that.

Like P. Unknown i was didn't see any part of the Owen related incident because in Australia we never used to get WWF tv. I've always liked the bad-guys in wrestling for some inexplicable reason and Owen was one of my perrenial favourites because he was always on the tapes i saw and rocked in the ring.

I only heard about his "departure" when i got on the net in 2000 and heard that he'd died.

When they played the segment i literally had to blink back tears 'cause that is without a doubt one of the best things the WWE has done. Ever.





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Since: 9.1.02
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#4 Posted on
Well, the night had it's share of mistakes too. Like The Rock doing a promo about Owen, Austin doing his beer chugging "as a tribute". Just a couple of things in poor taste, that's all. At least The Undertaker wasn't on the show.

There was also that strong vibe that they were trying to get some good press because every news place in North America was labeling them as the wrestling company that killed it's wrestler in a stunt to make fun of the other wrestling company.

A lot of people mix their feelings for Owen with how they felt about the Tribute Show, which is understandable.


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Since: 18.6.02
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#5 Posted on
It was emotional, but all my sadness turns to anger whenever I see Austin doing the toast. It was so insensitive to be hyping Austin's appearance throughout the 2-hour show. It really showed that all Vince cares about is ratings. And even if it was one of Owen's friends, like Jeff Jarrett or Mick Foley, I could have lived with it. But when it involves a guy who had a genuine hatred for Owen, and used politics to hold him down during the late-90's... I have to rank that up there with Stephanie McMahon's 9/11 comments as most insensitive thing I've ever seen on pro-wrestling TV.



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Since: 12.10.02
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#6 Posted on
Wow, I'm still surprised to this day that people think so lowly of Austin that they can jump from Austin having personal problems with Owen to Austin not caring he was dead. Maybe that was just the way paying his respect to Owen, just like Rock cutting a promo was his way.

Why don't we just assume that Hunter was overcome with guilt instead of emotion after all the crap he and Shawn put Owen through? Or how about when Hunter and Shawn refused to pay respect to Brian Pillman?

While we're talking insensitive, it wasn't too long ago that Vince refused to acknowledge the death of Lou Thesz until he was blasted for not doing so. Vince only really acknowledges what he can exploit for money. It's just the way it is and that's probably why he has a monopoly on his industry.
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Since: 18.6.02
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#7 Posted on
I don't think lowly of Austin. I've always been a supporter of Austin. I'm not saying Austin didn't care he was dead. I'm sure he was depressed like everyone else. But facts are facts, and Austin did not like Owen when he was alive, and did use politics to keep him out of the main-events. I just think Austin should have done a backstage interview like everyone else, and maybe a match if he felt like it. I just think that he should have said "No" when Vince decided to build the show around his appearance. If anything, I'm attacking McMahon for this move, as it was nothing more than a ratings ploy. "Stay tuned, Austin will give his thoughts on Owen! Don't change the channel. Don't turn on Nitro. Austin will be grieving Owen's death... NEXT!!!". Alright, maybe it wasn't that extreme, but it was still the basic "stay tuned" message that I think they should have stayed away from. That's all.



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Since: 24.7.02

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#8 Posted on
Vince using a tragedy as a ratings ploy? I'm shocked and chagrined. Next thing you'll know, people will accuse Vince of testing out his Mr. McMahon persona on Brian Pillman's widow on the Monday Night after Pillman died.



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Since: 4.9.02
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#9 Posted on
What about the Godfather coming out with his hoes? Or Debra stripping down to her bra? That wasn't tasteless? While I'm sure people were very emotional and teary eyed when remembering the owen tribute, I remember on Wrestle Talk america when a fan thought it was wrong to use the 10 bell salute in a WWF storyline because it was the only thing left that was "good and pure about wrestling. The guests on the show were Jerry Lawler and Ms. Kitty. Lawler replied with, "Well there's nothing good and pure about wrestling..."

Even on the 9/11 tribute show, Stephanie McMahon took the liberty to compare the terrorist attacks on her family to the government going after her family or some junk like that.



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Since: 26.8.02

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#10 Posted on
I'm always amazed at how people will claim to be offended by something (or usually multiple things) Vince McMahon said/did yet they continue to put money in his pocket.
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Since: 4.9.02
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#11 Posted on
Hey man, I do my best not to. I hardly ever watch the shows and don't order the PPV's, its been about 2 years since I was at a live event. When the product is bad the best way to voice your opinion is to stop watching.



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Since: 6.8.02
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#12 Posted on

    Originally posted by OMEGA
    It was so insensitive to be hyping Austin's appearance throughout the 2-hour show.


Ok, maybe my memory's fuzzy, but I really don't remember any "hyping" involved. I do have the show on tape somewhere though, so I could go check if it becomes a hotly contended issue. But I really don't remember them "hyping" Austin at all, let alone the entire two hours.

Maybe Austin and Owen weren't great pals. I don't know that they hated each other, either, but that wasn't the point. Austin was the #1 guy in the WWF at the time, someone the fans at large looked to. So it made sense for him to do something. It was more of a statement from the company than a statement from Austin himself.

I just can't get on the WWF's case for the way they handled RAW. It was a tragic event, and they had less than 24 hours to scramble and figure out what to do. All things considered, I thought it was a fine tribute, and much more honest than people give it credit for. All you had to do was look at the faces of everyone involved and you could tell they weren't thinking "SMELL the ratings, baby!"



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Since: 19.3.02
From: Ontario, Canada

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#13 Posted on
I pulled out my tape of the show yesterday. There was hyping of Steve Austin's appearance, but it was along the lines of "Steve Austin will be here later", and very little beyond that. No graphics or anything.





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Since: 25.4.02
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#14 Posted on
Whoops, forgot the "target audience" on here...

"Obviously Vince got the tape of the Piper/Russo edition of NWA-TNA and thought "Dammit, NO ONE LEECHES OFF OWEN'S DEATH BUT US!" and put the Owen Tribute Show footage on Raw."

There, better?

-Patrick

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Since: 18.6.02
From: North Cacalacky

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#15 Posted on

    Originally posted by Ana Ng


    Maybe Austin and Owen weren't great pals. I don't know that they hated each other, either, but that wasn't the point. Austin was the #1 guy in the WWF at the time, someone the fans at large looked to. So it made sense for him to do something. It was more of a statement from the company than a statement from Austin himself.



That's a good point but I think that The Rock (who was just about as big a star as Austin was at the time) would have been a better choice since he was good friends with Owen. And if the "Who was Owen's friend backstage" argument seems a little stupid, then they could have done something better with Austin. Austin could have said a few kind words about Owen. But clinging beers together? That just seems a little wrong to me.



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Since: 2.1.02
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#16 Posted on
The whole thing was tribute being paid to Owen in wrestling's own inimitable style. I found it very touching at the time, and I still do. I have the Owen Tribute Show on tape and I still watch it from time to time; I see no problem with anything that the company put out for the two hours they had to fill. And why is Austin toasting Owen distasteful? He didn't drive a Zamboni down to the ring and climb all four corners whilst chugging Stevweisers. He simply cracked open a coupla beers and raised them to Owen's picture on the TitanTron-looking pretty damn upset whilst doing so, I might add. In the end, who's really acting in bad taste-the guys who paid tribute to one of their own in their own fashion, or the people that question their motives, backed up only by half-assed, unconfirmed theories? You decide.
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Since: 16.1.02
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#17 Posted on
Virtually every aspect of the Owen Tribute Show was picked apart on the Web afterward (surprised?). Besides the Austin and Rock "incidents," I can remember posters on Scott Keith's old message board writing that X-Pac was "obviously" stoned because he lost his train of thought a few times, that Triple H and Chyna were "obviously" acting in their tribute to Owen, that Mark Henry was "self-indulgent" for crying as he read his poem, that Ken Shamrock was an asshole for not wearing an armband (and Kane was blasted as well, until people noticed that his armband was just stretched out really thin), that Shane's story of meeting Owen in a bar had to be false because Shane was only 19 at that time, and so on and so forth.

My take is the same as it was then. Normally, there's nothing wrong with being Suspicious J. Cynicalsmark, but a tribute show for a guy who died horribly just 24 hours ago is not a time for cynicism. Show some respect, take the show as it's given, shut up, and move on.



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Since: 6.8.02
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#18 Posted on
I too was at the Owen show, and had to blink back a few tears throughout the evening. I thought what Austin did was not in poor taste, but really wasn't in the best of tastes either, and like it has been said by others, you cannot hold Austin completely accountable, since someone probably told him to do it. Though what other options would you have for Stone Cold at this show? As was deomnstrated by a large group of rednecks near us shouting Bull**** after Austin just did the toast, he had to do something on the show. Maybe a better idea would've had him do a match and no toast or even comment if his hatred for Owen is 100% true.



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Since: 22.1.02
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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95
Did Austin and Owen ever mend fences after the botched piledriver?



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Since: 2.1.02
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#20 Posted on
Check Mick Foley's book(s). Apparently so. As much as I dislike the guy right now, Austin doesn't (or at least didn't back in'98) seem the sort to hold a grudge over something that was clearly an accident.
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