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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.20
With the subsequent demotion of Mordecai to OVW for more quote-unquote "seasoning" there is absolutely no reason for me to watch Smackdown anymore and have come to conclusion that these writers have absolutely no creativity and no faith in the talent they have to work with. How is it that Mordecai gets sent down while choads like Suzuki, Luther Reigns, Billy Gunn, A-Train, remain on television?

He doesn't need more seasoning, the writers just suck and don't know what to do with him. Look at Scott Steiner as another example. Here you have a guy who could come into Smackdown as an instant main-eventer. All you'd have to do is have him beat down Eddie Guerrero with a lead pipe, yell out some obsenities to the crowd, complete with his Steiner-esque gibberish promos, and voila! instant feud. But instead they choose to have him sit at home until his contract runs out, then release him. Yeah thats a reeeal good idea, pay a guy to sit at home and do nothing when he could prove to be of some value.

The WWE has become such a joke, and now they've pulled the plug on a great character in Mordecai simply because the writers are uncreative douchebags that cant think of what to do with him. It looks like He'll become another Waylon Mercy in the way that such a great character never had the chance to take off. Sorry if it seems like I'm mad, but when I read this from the torch, it aggrivated me

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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.68
I think you're one of only a handful that think of Mordecai as a "great" character, and I think it's a bit of a stretch to call him "another Waylon Mercy."

I think they may have picked the wrong guy to play the character. The Torch has said (through sources) that Kevin Fertig was constantly nervous backstage before appearing on TV. Not to mention he looked like just another indy reject with that white bodysuit.

In the end, I don't think many people will be shedding tears if Mordecai never appears again.

As for Steiner, do you really want to run the risk of him injuring the most (and dare I say, the only) entertaining person on Smackdown right now? It would only be a good feud if they never got in the ring- remember, Steiner is nearly crippled, and didn't exactly tear the house down in his feud with Triple H.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
A-Train has had 1 match on TV (IIRC) since being sent to Raw. And besides that, he's better than Mordecai.

The problem is (as discussed elsewhere on this board) is that he has no presence. He's supposed to be this no-selling badass, but he's no bigger than the normal WWE non-cruiser. Putting him against any non-cruiser, and he looks ordinary. The only thing that sets him apart is the all-white look, but that only makes him look like an indy wrestler (IMO).

I will agree that the writers suck

And the knock on Mordecai was that he was "too nervous". Supposedly, they were high on him because he was working hard & wanted to learn, so I guess that's something to give him credit for. Personally, I'm not shedding any tears that he's gone. Just another strike in the "extreme gimmicks won't work" column.

EDIT - hey, geemoney hit all my points, too. I swear his post wasn't there when I was typing mine.

(edited by Spaceman Spiff on 3.7.04 2227)


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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.38
Wasn't it only a week ago Mordecai was rumored to be entering into a program with Eddy leading up to SummerSlam? If true, that is a quick descent.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.71
    Originally posted by AlboDude
    But instead they choose to have him sit at home until his contract runs out, then release him.


You know, the neat thing about contracts is when they expire, you don't NEED to release the person under contract.

Wow, I'm turning into CRZ.



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.20
actually from reading some of the other message boards, it seems as if a lot of people were digging him and have the same opinion as I do about him being sent down to OVW, while others like Tomko, Suzuki, and Regins still remain in the limelight. Let me ask ya'll this, are any of those 3 I mentioned above better characters/workers than Mordecai? The answer is no. Reigns is probably the best out of the 3 and that isn't saying much. WWE shouldn't be so concerned about keeping these new guys on such a short leash. They should just let them wrestle. How else are you going to improve. I don't see how wrestling in OVW is going to help someone improve anymore then keeping them on TV would. Like I said, I think this comes down to a few things: Consistancy and conviction, and the writing teams ability to have faith in their workers. If they're willing to give up on someone only after a month and a half, then don't count on any newbies getting over anytime soon
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I caught SD! for the first time in a good number of months this past week, and thusly caught Mordecai face Rey Mysterio...and the first thing I thought was that he looked very much like Gangrel. I admit that I dug Mordy's look, and I hope he finds the success that he deserves.

I'm starting to lose hope and faith in the WWE for finding opportunities for their wrestlers, though. Mind you, religion is always touchy when integrating it with characters, i.e. the Undertaker's ministry days.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.68
    Originally posted by AlboDude
    actually from reading some of the other message boards, it seems as if a lot of people were digging him and have the same opinion as I do about him being sent down to OVW, while others like Tomko, Suzuki, and Regins still remain in the limelight. Let me ask ya'll this, are any of those 3 I mentioned above better characters/workers than Mordecai? The answer is no. Reigns is probably the best out of the 3 and that isn't saying much. WWE shouldn't be so concerned about keeping these new guys on such a short leash. They should just let them wrestle. How else are you going to improve. I don't see how wrestling in OVW is going to help someone improve anymore then keeping them on TV would. Like I said, I think this comes down to a few things: Consistancy and conviction, and the writing teams ability to have faith in their workers. If they're willing to give up on someone only after a month and a half, then don't count on any newbies getting over anytime soon


I think this opens another can of worms....is OVW helping thse guys develop at all? I mean, the guys being called up aren't going to be confused with Ric Flair. Is it that WWE is calling them up too early, the characters don't fit, or that OVW trainers aren't getting the job done?

I think WWE is looking to open another training facility (Trax?) on the East Coast, too.

(edited by geemoney on 3.7.04 2240)

(edited by geemoney on 3.7.04 2240)

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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.02
I don't blame OVW at all for this. WWE is at fault. WWE does not pay attention at all to the storylines or characters in OVW. The superstars in OVW work hard to mold their characters and when WWE calls them up, they are suppose to learn and become a whole new character.

Examples:

In OVW, you had Leviathan but when WWE calls him up, he becomes Batista. When Batista returned in the fall of 2003, he actually wanted to come back as Leviathan but WWE refused to let him do that.

When the Bashams debuet on Smackdown, OVW had just started the angle of breaking up the Revolution, consisting of Doug Basham, Danny Basham (Damaja), Miss Jackie and Kanyon. All of a sudden, OVW had to re-write thier storyline and that infuriated Jim Cornette.

Rodney Mack's character in OVW was similar to that of the late Junkyard Dog, known as Redd Dogg, and as a tag team with Shelton Benjamin, they were the most popular duo in the farm system. Yet, when WWE calls him up, they were gonna put him with Cena but instead put him with Theordore R. Long.
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.73
    Originally posted by AlboDude
    Look at Scott Steiner as another example. Here you have a guy who could come into Smackdown as an instant main-eventer.


You don't think that maybe just maybe they were sick of his slow ass offense and constant injuries do you?



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.06
    Originally posted by Excalibur05
      Originally posted by AlboDude
      Look at Scott Steiner as another example. Here you have a guy who could come into Smackdown as an instant main-eventer.


    You don't think that maybe just maybe they were sick of his slow ass offense and constant injuries do you?


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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.60
    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
    A-Train has had 1 match on TV (IIRC) since being sent to Raw.


Spiff, you sure seem to be sensitive about A-Train. Does he really entertain you that much? I can't for the life of me understand what this guy's appeal could possibly be...and seeing how he was absolutely never over, I can't be alone.

Onto Mordecai..I was of course a vocal supporter of this guy in the other thread and I find this news to be pretty disappointing. I don't see how WWE could be so ignorant as to bring up all these guys just to end up sending them back to development. Are they literally just throwing out random things to see whatever sticks, because that's not what I'd exactly call the work of professionals. They've got to see how building guys up just to end up ridding of them all is not going to leave a good taste in the mouth of fans. They be known to have a short attention span, but no one's could be THAT short.

Mordecai was the best of the lot as far as I'm concerned...he played his role well and had some unique offense. And he's certainly better than the so-called SD Champ. It was an intriguing character that they really could have given more time to develop before deciding whether to axe it.
If he didn't last...then I certainly can't see much of a future for Suzuki and crew. Unless they're hypocrites.
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.61
I'm no fan of JBL or A-Train but to say that Mordecai is better than either of them is just silly. And what's more important, love or silliness? Albert is an underrated worker, at least in the sense that people think he's a stiff but really he's alright. Not that he isn't totally uncharismatic and not that I'm upset that he's not getting pushed. Bradshaw as a headliner is a disaster but as far as promos, character, and presence go he blows Mordecai to smithereens.

Really now, is this something to be mourned(decai ;)). The dude sucked and was nowhere near ready for the push they (dumbishly) wanted to give him, so they took him off TV. So long, good luck, and goodbye. Hopefully Kenzo is next, although it's different situations in that Kevin Fertig was brought up way too soon and put in a stupid gimmick, whereas Kenzo is just outright terrible and no seasoning in the world is going to ever make him delicious.

(edited by JMShapiro on 4.7.04 0026)
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.85
If there's one thing you can say about the likes of Mordecai and Kenzo Suzuki, it's that they've made us appreciate the other talentless lunks that we'd gladly take over these two any day of the week.

Don't believe me? Look at the sudden outcry over the last couple of weeks about not getting enough A-TRAIN on TV. And look at how things have deteriorated since the departure of Big Show? That's the funny thing. We don't really know WHAT terrible is until guys like Mordecai and Kenzo come along, because compared to them, we now consider guys like A-Train and Billy Gunn "passable".




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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
    Originally posted by It's False
    That's the funny thing. We don't really know WHAT terrible is until guys like Mordecai and Kenzo come along, because compared to them, we now consider guys like A-Train and Billy Gunn "passable".


Probably about 6% of my posts here are defending A-Train, although Spiff does it more often and usually more eloquently, so I'm not sure I need to weigh in here -- but, geez, I've always liked Albert, and always thought he was more than passable. He's pretty quick, his moveset is a nice mix of unique power moves, he doesn't use the chokeslam or the sit-out powerbomb (tiresome!), and he often brings out new moves. He always seems to be trying hard. He doesn't fuck up very often. He's furry and he yells a lot. What's not to like?

As far as Mordecai -- eh. I still don't feel like I saw enough to say much. Didn't like his outfit. Thought he'd make a better hillbilly than gothic warrior.

I like Reigns. No particular reason, yet, I just think he's cool.

I thought Suzuki's finisher was really awesome and unique, but on the PPV, he used it as a transition move (I think it even went un-called?) and finished the match with Christian's perpendicular backbreaker, which I thought was super odd.

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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.63
"he doesn't use the chokeslam or the sit-out powerbomb (tiresome!)"

Nope-he just combines the two. That's unfair-I dig Albert too, and he would certainly be more welcome to a midcard push on SmackDown than Kenzo Frickin' Suzuki.

"As far as Mordecai -- eh. I still don't feel like I saw enough to say much. Didn't like his outfit. Thought he'd make a better hillbilly than gothic warrior."

Damn skippy. That outfit was far too Double J-ish for my delicate tastes; they should've gone the brutal Southern redneck zealot route with him rather than all this mystical righteousness mumbo jumbo.





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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.70
    Originally posted by It's False
    Don't believe me? Look at the sudden outcry over the last couple of weeks about not getting enough A-TRAIN on TV. And look at how things have deteriorated since the departure of Big Show? That's the funny thing. We don't really know WHAT terrible is until guys like Mordecai and Kenzo come along, because compared to them, we now consider guys like A-Train and Billy Gunn "passable".


No one considers Billy Gunn passable, and the "outcry" over A-Train is just that he's not even on Heat, where he could be perfectly useful. A-Train is a capable worker. No one's saying he's a star, but he's fine for midcard fodder, and superior to the guys they've been bringing up. The general knock on A-Train is he's a "hoss", which is getting really tired, because big doesn't just equal bad, the same as small doesn't equal good.

And not that it really matters, but yeah, I consider Luther Reigns a better worker than Mordecai. I didn't think Mordecai was terrible, necessarily, because he was doing what they told him to do. Whether or not he sucks isn't even really the question, it goes back to the original point of the thread, which is that the writing/creative team sucks, and that's very true.

    Originally posted by geemoney
    I think this opens another can of worms....is OVW helping thse guys develop at all? I mean, the guys being called up aren't going to be confused with Ric Flair. Is it that WWE is calling them up too early, the characters don't fit, or that OVW trainers aren't getting the job done?


Mordecai and Tomko aren't good enough. That's the problem. They probably DO need more seasoning. Cornette's always saying they call guys up too early. When you're a natural athlete like Brock Lesnar or Shelton Benjamin (two guys whom Cornette made the too early statement about) you can get away with it. I think the only guys to come up as polished wrestlers have been Charlie Haas, the Bashams and Dinsmore (I am probably forgetting someone).

What's OVW supposed to do, polish turds? OVW mostly just works with what WWE gives them with developmental guys, so they do what they can. Guys who were going to be good are going to be good anyway, and guys that were going to suck are probably still going to suck. I think WWE is way more to blame than OVW.



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    Originally posted by Swatkid84
    When the Bashams debuet on Smackdown, OVW had just started the angle of breaking up the Revolution, consisting of Doug Basham, Danny Basham (Damaja), Miss Jackie and Kanyon. All of a sudden, OVW had to re-write thier storyline and that infuriated Jim Cornette.


And being the awesome old school booker he is, Cornette found a great way to work it into his storylines (as he's having to do now with Eugene ("Mr. Wrestling" Nick Dinsmore). I had a column about this about 75% done, but as with all of my writing, that's about as far as it got. (And I realize it's no big loss on anyone's part but mine).

Hopefully, Mordecai (Se7en) will get back into OVW and work on what the WWE wants him to work on and he'll be back someday. I enjoyed him and Tyson Tomko (Travis Bane) as the Discyples of Synn, but realized they were bigger fish in a smaller pond as far as their size went.

Despite how much I dig the OVW guys, I haven't been able to watch SmackDown! since they started the JBL storyline so I have no idea how well any of them are actually doing in the WWE these days. As always, I wish 'em the best tho.



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.20
It doesn't really have anything to do with who's passable and who isn't, it has more to do with the fact that why are some green guys who are terrible workers with no promo skills (Suzuki, Tomko) kept around while someone like Mordecai, who actually has a pretty cool character with decent promo skills is sent down for more "seasoning"? All they would have to do is put him in a decent angle and see what happens. Its almost as if just because a new guy (and I do mean NEW here, given that he's only been around for a month and a half) isn't lighting the arena on fire, they chalk it up as a failure and give on him. Johnny Nitro is another example of this kind of hasteful booking. In my opinion that guy had real potential, but gave up on him too soon.

Mordecai was the only person on SD that made me excited to watch and now he's gone. This is very dissapointing
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OK, granted I don't watch SmackDown, so I can't comment on Kenzo Suzuki or Mordecai with any amount of intelligence.

But what's the deal with everyone jumping to conclusions about Tyson Tomko? How many matches has he had, two? How much promo time has he been given?



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