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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.01
Over the limit? Under arrest. For stealing the show. Christian and Orton tore the house down. I'd call it the best non-gimmick, non-Taker streak match since Jericho and Rey Mysterio in 2009.

Show started with a Randy Savage graphic.

1. Truth beat Rey clean with his jumpity slam move. Pretty good. Little Jimmy was invoked in a pre-match promo. Cole should not impersonate R-Truth unless he wants the NAACP to match GLAAD's rebuke.

2. Zeke won by DQ when the Corre ran in as he had Wade in the RACK. fine considering.

3. Sin Cara beat Chavo. Disappointing match. Chavo either got blown up or got hurt, because he couldn't keep up or catch him on his big moves.

Del Rio said "hey I'm here."

4. Big Red Mashow beat Punk and Mason. Double chokeslam on Ryan. Punk did the Macho hand twirl and (missed) the top rope elbow. fine considering.

Somewhere around here was some crappy WWE comedy with an Obama press conference about the Capital Punishment PPV. Can't wait to see it again on Raw.

5. Brie (Nikki) beat Kelly with twincast (not twincest). No Kharma.

6. Orton pinned Christian in an awesome match. Dueling crowd chants, big heat. They did a longer match than the title change with even more creative reversals of their signature spots. Christian headfaked the sunset flip playing off the finish of the first match. Orton spun Christian out of that seesaw kick into the apron DDT. Christian went for the spear and Orton turned it into a powerslam -- Orton went for the punt but Christian jumped up and speared him for a 2.99 nearfall. Finish was them fighting over the RKO and Unprettier, Christian had it hooked but Orton flipped him over his back right into RKOing position.

Orton tried to congratulate Christian after the match but Christian shoved him in frustration. He then calmed down and came back and shook his hand. Main event work, main event intensity, main event heat all the way around. I'm not sure Orton or Christian have ever had better ungimmicked singles match.

7. Lawler stomped Cole in like three minutes. Cole came out and had a doctor's note saying he couldn't compete. I thought he was going to make Lawler wrestle Doink. But the ref just threw out the note. Lawler beat him up a bit, threw him through the Cole Mine, and then dropped the fist.

Lawler brought out Eve to moonsault Cole and then Jim Ross to pour barbecue sauce on him. Cole tried to run away without kissing his foot but then Bret Hart, emeritus of foot kissing, showed up. He put Cole in the sharpshooter and Lawler stuck his foot in his mouth. Two months overdue, but this was the humiliation and blowoff (well..) of Cole everyone's been waiting for. Daniel Bryan didn't get a kick in, but all in all, pretty satisfying.

8. Cena beat Miz. Not so much a match as it was an extended torture scene with no stunt doubles. Kind of a rerun of the Cena/Orton match with Cena taking constant severe punishment and not quitting, then the heel quitting in the STFU right away. Miz's plan was for Riley to team up with him all match. And they did. And they beat on Cena. And beat on him. And beat on him. And he wouldn't quit. And they hit him with stuff. And he wouldn't quit. Miz browbeat some young Cenation plant. But he wouldn't quit. Finally Riley played a recording of Cena saying "I Quit" and Miz won. But the ref (Mike Chioda right?) found Riley's cel phone and once again uncovered their scheme and overturned the decision. Then Cena removed Riley by FUing him through a table, whipped Miz with a belt for like a minute, put him in the STFU, and he quit immediately.

I dunno, I thought the idea here would be for Miz to look tough by taking a lot of punishment before losing, but instead he took almost none. He was sadistic I guess, but this match was literally them whacking John with stuff for 20 minutes (Cena had a couple very brief comebacks before being cut off) and then losing quickly. Cena is going to be really sore tomorrow but I don't think this was an artistic success.

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#2 Posted on
I don't get why every heel auto taps when their put in a submission. After all the talking it just seems lame.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.04
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    I dunno, I thought the idea here would be for Miz to look tough by taking a lot of punishment before losing, but instead he took almost none. He was sadistic I guess, but this match was literally them whacking John with stuff for 20 minutes (Cena had a couple very brief comebacks before being cut off) and then losing quickly. I don't think this was an artistic success.


Yeah, this ending made Miz look really weak. If he couldn't beat Cena in a 2-on-1 situation and then just goes down to a SuperCena STF out of nowhere, then there's no reason to take him seriously. This was pretty much a textbook example of why the John Cena haters hate John Cena.

That was a fine Orton/Christian match. The knee-jerk reaction for me would be to assume that Christian's turning, but I'm not convinced of this. I could see this match happening again later (after we get the requisite PPV match with Sheamus or Mark Henry after they taunt Christian for being a loser) where Christian would finally get the title back. I really don't want to believe a heel turn is happening, because SmackDown's getting overloaded on the heel side again to the point that a guy like Cody Rhodes is getting lost in the shuffle. Although you could actually make that argument for BOTH shows, but I digress.

THAT is how the Lawler/Cole match should have ended at Wrestlemania! Lawler wins, everybody humiliates Cole afterwards, and Cole is given his comeuppance for being an obnoxious twit. Why did it take two months to get this right? Now hopefully they move on to Cole vs. The Divas, which has potential to be a little entertaining.

The rest of the show seems completely forgettable.



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.80
as bad as a PPV can get.
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.59
I liked this! Christian/Orton was awesome, with all the cool counters that Justin said. Cena/Miz was entertaining in that they came up with some pretty interesting ways of beating the crap out of Cena before the inevitable, in a way that a 50/50 match might not have been. Bret Hart was an excellent surprise (I was worried it was going to be happy smiling babyface Jack Swagger or shades of grey Kharma that brought Cole back.) Also, I saw this at the house of The-W.com poster KJames199 and his kitten is ADORABLE.



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.65
I love that Truth didn't just go over, he went over cleanly. His no-music entrance is pretty awesome. It's crazy to think that little over a month ago, his guy was one of the least-interesting acts in the company.

Christian/Orton was a fantastic match. These two have had great chemistry forever -- I remember them having a terrific match on Raw back in late 2004/early 2005 from a show in England, perhaps when Orton was still working his 'concussion' angle. As much as I criticized the quick title loss for Christian, this storyline is building up quite nicely.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.85
    Originally posted by shawnpatrick
    as bad as a PPV can get.
Please tell us more.

No, REALLY - see if you can use more than seven words.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.43
Christian and Orton was simply amazing, as was the crowd response during this one. Just a perfect piece of art.

As far as the rest of the show is concerned, well, I liked the Miz's work, but other than that everything kind of sucked. Why couldn't they save Sin Cara vs. Daniel Bryan for this PPV? Would have been much better than what we had instead.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.00
    Originally posted by shawnpatrick
    as bad as a PPV can get.


It wasn't bad but the two title matches pretty much showed how vastly different the two shows are right now.

Orton/Christian, Truth/Rey, and Sin Cara/Chavo were all decent matches (Orton/Christian was the match of the night, clearly).

Cole/Lawler was short but fun - Cole got his comeuppance, though I was hoping Lawler would pull out the pile driver rather then going to the foot stipulation.

And then there's Miz/Cena. Oh, boy. I loved the stipulation with getting Riley involved but how does Cena go from being put in a situation where he's just outnumbered and physically beat down for 20 minutes only to come back and win the match in 20 seconds with a submission? Ugh. I mean, heck, why not just have Zack Rider come down to even the odds, since he's clearly been buddy-buddy with Cena the last few weeks, and take Miz out with a chair or something so that Cena could have at least gotten the win while still selling the beat down he just went through.
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.19
The Ryder/Cena thing is so weird. He's being all goofy buddy with the company's top face, but continuing apace as a heel with Curt Hawkins on Superstars.

I don't think shawnpatrick has seen many PPVs.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.90
I am curious to see Orton/Christian and maybe the Cole comeuppance with Bret, but everything else looks weak. Cena does the superman trick in a "I Quit" match, Shirley you can't be serious? The wife said maybe getting this PPV then she just laughed. I guess its on to ADR for Cena to make look like an idiot after almost a year's worth of work to get built up.



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My biggest problem with the Cena/Miz match was that Miz actually said the words "I Quit" not TWO SECONDS after the bell rang to start the match. Chioda should have ended the match right there, with Cena pointing and shouting "YOU SAID IT! YOU SAID IT!"

All in all, he said it FOUR TIMES before Cena put him in the STF(U).






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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.29
So apparently a John Cena STF does more damage than 30 minutes of Miz and Riley doing chair shots, kendo sticks, using the steel steps and everything else in between.
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#14 Posted on

So where does the Miz go from here? There's really no one on the RAW roster that I can see him feuding with ... Kofi or Rey are the only two names the remotely come to mind, but those seem like a huge step down for a guy that's main eventing the last few PPVs, specifically Wrestlemania.

Maybe a face Swagger? ... wait, that's a step down too.
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.04
    Originally posted by The Game
    So apparently a John Cena STF does more damage than 30 minutes of Miz and Riley doing chair shots, kendo sticks, using the steel steps and everything else in between.
I think the message was meant to be more "John Cena is super dooper trooper tough! Miz, less so.". Although if you wished to argue that this was not a point which required devoting quite so long to make at this stage I wouldn't disagree.

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    Cole should not impersonate R-Truth unless he wants the NAACP to match GLAAD's rebuke.
Truer words seldom spoken.

Questionable commentary notwithstanding, that was the most I've enjoyed an R-Truth in a while.

    Originally posted by lotjx
    I am curious to see Orton/Christian and maybe the Cole comeuppance with Bret, but everything else looks weak.
A man of such unique opinions as your good self should surely watch something first-hand rather than just reading the opinions and reviews of others before passing judgement.
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.80
    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by shawnpatrick
      as bad as a PPV can get.
    Please tell us more.

    No, REALLY - see if you can use more than seven words.


And not one of them longer then 3 letters long.... lol

Okay, seeing Cena have powers beyond that of Superman along with a predictable twist (recording of Cena) really bummed me out. Christian-Orton was good but predictable. In fact, everything went "perfectly" last night, no real turns or twist, and that's why this PPV sucked.
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.90
Let me bust out the $45 for a PPV that looks tiresome or download it then get busted for that. I'll pass. I tend to take a tally of what others write and see if it matches what I thought they would do with my picks. I think I went 5 for 8 and my picks were with the intention of how bad I wanted the PPV to be.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.85
    Originally posted by lotjx
    Let me bust out the $45 for a PPV that looks tiresome or download it then get busted for that. I'll pass.
But you didn't pass on commenting. "Get It?®"



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.90
    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by lotjx
      Let me bust out the $45 for a PPV that looks tiresome or download it then get busted for that. I'll pass.
    But you didn't pass on commenting. "Get It?®"


I am sure everyone who commented on the PPV bought it. I am just honest to say I didn't watch it.



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    Originally posted by lotjx
      Originally posted by CRZ
        Originally posted by lotjx
        Let me bust out the $45 for a PPV that looks tiresome or download it then get busted for that. I'll pass.
      But you didn't pass on commenting. "Get It?®"


    I am sure everyone who commented on the PPV bought it. I am just honest to say I didn't watch it.
Why say ANYTHING? You didn't watch it.

Since you're sure to respond, let me throw another one at you:
    Originally posted by lotjx
    I think I went 5 for 8 and my picks were with the intention of how bad I wanted the PPV to be.
Am I misunderstanding you or did you just say above that you *wanted* the PPV to be bad? If not, what did you really mean? If SO, why did you want the PPV to be bad?



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