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A sheriffs deputy sprays pepper spray into the crowd gathered beneath the goal post after Ohio State beat Michigan 14-9 for an undefeated 13-0 season Saturday, Nov. 23, 2002 in Columbus, Ohio. (AP Photo/Mark Hall)

Ran into this on another messageboard, anyone have some info/thoughts/opinions upon this? Haven't been paying attention to sports recently. This been happening alot lately or anything?
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Police sure love to bust out the fucking pepper spray for no reason.

"Look Bob, a large crowd of young adults congregating to celebrate a joyous occasion"

"Well G'damn Steve, we can't let this happen. Break out the pepper spray.."

(edited by BX on 24.11.02 2308)
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    Originally posted by BX
    Police sure love to bust out the fucking pepper spray for no reason.


Well, they had to protect the vulnerable, valuable goalpost, didn't they? I'm sure that Ohio State would have to cancel football next year if the post was torn down, because they wouldn't have enough money in the football budget to fix it.

Seriously, it was probably more of an injury and liability issue if someone was injured in the course of tearing down the goalpost.

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Whenever I see something like this I always wonder "Why do use wrestling fan always are the ones being tagged with the idiot label" from the mainstream sports media... Ohh don't get me wrong I'm certain there's a lot of white trash morons who watch wrestling but it's no worse then mainstream sport fan.

(edited by Net Hack Slasher on 25.11.02 0511)


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I'd hate to be the guy in the toque, he's really taking it full blast in the kisser.
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#6 Posted on

    Seriously, it was probably more of an injury and liability issue if someone was injured in the course of tearing down the goalpost.


You're correct. And several people did get injured tearing down goal posts over the weekend.
Read here:Click Here

This is a no win situation for the authorities. The people at Clemson were crapped on for allowing people onto the field. However, in the past, authorities have been crapped on for using pepper spray to keep people off the field and away from the goal posts. You can't have it both ways. Hundreds (security) can't keep thousands (the fans) from doing what they want without the use of something (pepper spray). However, if they allow people on to the field, injuries do occur. Now I remember at one major venue (I believe it was Wisconsin, this was several years ago), they had a barricade that did a darn good job of keeping people off the field. Unfortunately, the fans, in which way too many were obviously drunk idiots, started pushing, and people got crushed against the barricade. Despite efforts from police, security, and even players from the football team, the people in the back wouldn't quit pushing. There were many severe injuries. There may have even been a death or two, but I can't remember for sure.

So I'm not sure what you can do to prevent this stuff.

I sure don't understand why students think that a team winning (which had little to do with themselves anyway) gives them the God given right to riot, and destroy other's property.

(edited by ges7184 on 25.11.02 1027)
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I am waiting for the inevitable reference by the media to Philadelphia fans.



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#8 Posted on

    Originally posted by evilwaldo
    I am waiting for the inevitable reference by the media to Philadelphia fans.


The Penn Quaker fans were classic when they used the slow push of mass numbers to break through security at Franklin Field when they beat Harvard - too bad they couldn't figure out how to get the goalposts down......

whenever I see something like this, I think back to the first USFL Championship Game in Denver (Michigan Panther and the Philadelphia Stars) - the fans went for the goalposts and the cops went for the billy clubs - we stayed in our seats at the top od the South Stands until the riot was over

anbd Stephanie was right - blame the insurance industry and the legal system - a goalpost related injury is a lawsuit waiting to happen



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    Originally posted by ges7184
    Now I remember at one major venue (I believe it was Wisconsin, this was several years ago), they had a barricade that did a darn good job of keeping people off the field. Unfortunately, the fans, in which way too many were obviously drunk idiots, started pushing, and people got crushed against the barricade


We do have a rather large barricade (if you ignore the "gates" to the field, some of which are just rope and security guards). But it wouldn't be hard at all to get out onto the feild. A bunch of my friends jumped the barricade during the NCAA Final Four celebration a few years ago. However, it can get REALLY nasty REALLY fast in Camp Randall, and if you're down at ground level when the pushing gets started, yeah, you're probably going to get smushed.

As for the pepperspray. Yeah, it's lose/lose. As it is the students will be pissed off that they got sprayed and that their celebration would be impeded. If they got the thing down, anybody injured would be likely to file suit for there not being enough protection and the police would be blamed for letting it happen.

What are they supposed to do?

(edited by Excalibur05 on 25.11.02 1214)




Since everyone else is doing it (ok, not EVERYONE, but...)

Vikings (3-8) - I didn't see the game, so, uh, no comment.
Badgers (7-6) - Being from Minnesota, qualifying for a bowl, winning at home. Oh, sweet victory.
Buffy 7.8 Earns 6.7 points. Not one of my favorites, but this season is all about PLOT which is good, and it was a nice little episode of plot developement.
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Take THAT, Buckeyes

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#11 Posted on

    Originally posted by BX
    "Look Bob, a large crowd of young adults congregating to celebrate a joyous occasion"




Wow, that's naive. I'm sure the police had more motive to use that shit than to "ruin the fun."
dunkndollaz
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Here is a pertinent article from today's NY Times

In the Snap of a Goal Post, Life Can Be Forever Altered
November 26, 2002
By BILL PENNINGTON
NINETEEN years ago, Meg Cimino was an 18-year-old Harvard freshman, a three-sport high school athlete who had already made the varsity swim team. She was looking forward to her first college swim meet in three days, and soon after, to the Thanksgiving break, when she would return home to her parents and six brothers and sisters.
On Nov. 19, 1983, Cimino attended the 100th playing of the Harvard-Yale football game at Yale Bowl, and at game’s end, Cimino stood near the field’s north end zone with some friends.
“I heard something snap behind me, then something hit me in the head, and as it knocked me to the ground I remember thinking, ‘Unless someone helps me, I am going to die,’ “ Cimino said yesterday. “And I pretty much did die on the field.”
The Yale Bowl goal posts had been toppled by fans celebrating Harvard’s victory, and Cimino, who had wandered onto the field, was struck by the falling steel posts, which fractured her skull and damaged her brain stem and cerebellum. She was bleeding heavily from her mouth, ears and nose, and her heart soon stopped. She had no vital signs.
Paramedics found her amid the tumult, and with the help of a physician who dashed from the stands, Cimino was revived and raced to a nearby hospital. She was on a respirator for 10 days and hospitalized for several weeks.
Told she would never walk again and would have limited use of her arms, Cimino soon began the first days in a 19-year rehabilitative process that continues today. She can walk these days, usually with a limp, and both her arms function normally, although her right hand is inhibited. She has also had multiple operations to improve her eyesight because the accident paralyzed her eye muscles.
“I am grateful,” said Cimino, who returned to Harvard to receive her degree and then graduated from law school at Penn. “I have accomplished a lot and can do so much more than some people predicted I would be able to do. But I wouldn’t wish what happened to me on anyone.”
This past weekend - at Ohio State, at North Carolina State, at Cal and at Clemson - students and other fans charged the field after football games intent on tearing down the posts. In each case, the scene grew violent as the police and security officials, some using pepper spray, fought to control the crowd and keep the posts upright. Usually, the posts came down anyway.
These confrontations are ugly scenes. In some quarters, the tactics of law enforcement officials were rebuked as heavy-handed. Tearing down the goal posts, after all, is a part of college football lore.
They are college kids, some have said, let them have their fun.
“It is not fun,” Cimino said softly yesterday. “It is a foreseeable danger.”
Cimino paused, and with a voice that was only faintly audible, added: “Fun? No, it is not fun.”


Cimino is far from an activist on this subject, having never before discussed the accident with a reporter, but she knows how a falling goal post can crush some life dreams.
“I was an athlete,” she said. “I loved to run and swim. It was how I saw myself. And when you’re that age, so much of your self-esteem is built on that. To lose all that was very hard. Even now, I can run but not very well. Everything is kind of a clumsy shadow of what it once was.”

When she began her rehabilitation in early 1984 at her parents’ home in North Tarrytown, N.Y., competing again athletically was far from the goal. Her physical therapy - seven days a week, five to seven hours a day - was focused on teaching her how to dress again and feed herself so she could return to college.
But when Cimino returned to Harvard later that year, she found she was not nearly ready. Getting to classes was only one problem. “In the cafeteria, I couldn’t hold the food tray and walk to a table,” she said. “I couldn’t cut the food when I got there. I had a lot more work to do.”
The rehabilitation therapy continued at every stop in the succeeding decades: at Harvard; at Penn; and in Manhattan, where she now lives and works as an editor for Smart Money magazine.
“I’m doing pretty good,” she said. “But I’ll turn on the television and still see those crowds surging onto the field after games and it freaks me out. I don’t quite get what the reasons are for letting that go on.”
There are no good reasons for letting it go on. This is a tradition begun when the goal posts were no more than thin 20-foot stalks of wood shaped into an H. They were not metal spires towering high over the field. If a tree the size of a modern goal post were being felled anywhere on the average college campus, officials would clear the landscape for acres around.
Why? Because someone could get seriously hurt by something that big collapsing from that height. What makes a football field immune to such a clear and apparent danger?
It is time to do whatever it takes - educating fans, providing extraordinary security or simply greasing the goal posts - to bring a permanent halt to this hazardous ritual.


In the wake of a euphoric victory, knocking over the goal posts may seem like a playful, harmless act.
Meg Cimino, once an 18-year-old freshman awaiting a first college swim meet she would never see, knows better. In our hearts, we all know better. This is a tradition fraught with peril that is not worth keeping.
As Cimino said in a quiet but foreboding voice yesterday:
“I was pretty much dead on that field. If this keeps up, it is likely that what happened to me will happen again.”




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