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#21 Posted on
So much for awaridng people who actually deserve it...

Ask yourself this: In ten years' time, is Brody's performance going to be remembered as a mesmerising, show-stealing, career-best turn? I doubt it. Will it even be remembered? Two words for you: Roberto Benigni.

How about Chicago? After the flood of musicals set to crowd us over the next years have subsided, will it be remembered as anything special? Somehow, I doubt it.

I'm pleased that Polanski won Best Director, at least ahead of Rob Marshall, but again, this should've been Scorcese's year. Even playing by the rules, Gangs' major selling points were the blistering directorial style and DDL's fantastic portrayal of Bill The Butcher.

I just find it such a fucking shame that a ceremony that USED to be about honouring the best has now turned into "Who has the best frock, who does the best speech, which win can be most surprising, how can we pat ourselves on the back harder this time?". Why did Chicago come oout strong? Because the musical is Hollywood's new cash-cow, to be milked as much as possible, and a hearty haul of gongs will help justify that. Look at the awards it won: Best Picture-Jesus, ANY of the other films was better choice here; you may as well go and see the stage show of Chicago, you'd get exactly the same entertainment. How is that a good film adaptation? Best Art Direction/Set Deco-Christ, one of the biggest balls-ups of the night. Best Costume-Again, just look at Gangs' costumes and try not to cry at how fucked up this award was. Gangs' designers build entire city blocks from hand, and two guys rob them of the gong for simply stealing the sets from the stage show. Why was Gangs snubbed? Because Scorcese has the gall to not play the Hollywood game, because he eschews the fancy pageantry and simply wants to be awrded for what he does.

I don't know. As a fan of film, rather than overblown awards shows with scripted gags, poorly thought-out 75th celebrations and portentious speeches, last night's show left me with one of the worst feelings I've ever had. I'm currently moving into the movie business, and watching this self-congratulatory farce of a show makes me even wonder if I want to make it.




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#22 Posted on
Oldschoolhero are you saying the oscars USED to be about who was the best? Could've fooled me. Look, if it used to be different, its been the way it is now for quite some time. All the film geeks are saying it will be Return of the King next year, I say...don't hold your breath.



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#23 Posted on
Yeah, I'm talking pre-1980s, before the Weinstein Rot set in and average became the pick of the day. Outside of Amadeus and Schindler's List, I can't think of a truly outstanding Best Picutre winner in the last twenty years. And that really makes me sad, ya know?



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#24 Posted on
What about Gladiator in 2001?



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#25 Posted on
Gladiator just barely earned "Best Picture starring Russell Crowe and the worst CGI tiger in the history of movie" and certainly did not deserve Best Picture.



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.36

    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    So much for awaridng people who actually deserve it...

    Ask yourself this: In ten years' time, is Brody's performance going to be remembered as a mesmerising, show-stealing, career-best turn? I doubt it. Will it even be remembered? Two words for you: Roberto Benigni.




Actually I think Brody's performance will be remembered. He was fucking mesmerizing in the pianist.



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#27 Posted on
    Originally posted by A Fan
    Can someone explain to me what happened with Miramax and Scourse that pissed people off? I haven't seen anything on TV other than the usual commericals for it.


Miramax put on a HUGE campaign for Scorcese, and so did he. He was actively campaigning for the Oscar win. I think the thing that pissed a lot of people off (and made me groan) was that he got some of his friends (including Steven Speilberg) to pull strings for him too. Eventually, I imagine, everbody was tired of hearing it. Besides, Gangs wasn't even his best film, and it wasn't really better directed than The Pianist.


    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    How about Chicago? After the flood of musicals set to crowd us over the next years have subsided, will it be remembered as anything special? Somehow, I doubt it.


Probably. Mostly because it was a really good movie with several very good performances (Renee Zellweger notwithstanding).


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    Why did Chicago come oout strong? Because the musical is Hollywood's new cash-cow, to be milked as much as possible, and a hearty haul of gongs will help justify that. Look at the awards it won: Best Picture-Jesus, ANY of the other films was better choice here;


I disagree. Chicago deserved the award just as much as, if not more than any of the other nominated movies. I have been highly critical of the Academy for being super pretentious and out of touch with what is really going on, but last night they got it mostly right, with a few exceptions sure. If Chicago really won just because it was a musical, then shouldn't Moulin Rouge have won last year? It's becoming a cash cow now because everybody is trying to copy a well done and sucessful concept. It's stupid to try to blame the source for that.



    ibid
    Because Scorcese has the gall to not play the Hollywood game, because he eschews the fancy pageantry and simply wants to be awrded for what he does


Oh, bull. With all the politicking, elbow rubbing, hand shaking and string pulling he pulled this year, he's just as much a part of the "Hollywood Game" as anybody. It doesn't help that he's directed better movies than Gangs and that he got out directed by Polanski.



(edited by Excalibur05 on 24.3.03 1411)


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#28 Posted on
My thoughts:

I kind of liked the "toned-down" atmosphere of this year's ceremony. I've always been bothered by the glitzy glamour and screaming that characterized previous years' ceremonies.

I kind of looked at Adrian Brody as this year's dark horse candidate-- a young up-and-coming actor who I like, but won't win due to a comparative lack of seniority, much like Edward Norton's nomination for Fight Club. Brody's win was a pleasant surprise.

It was nice that Spirited Away won, but remember, it was nominated for a category that doesn't mean shit.

Ben Affleck was stiff as hell up there. And J Lo needs to really work with him on his Spanish a whole lot more.

The band's rendition of Lose Yourself was hilarious, by the way. And the guy who accepted the award was a fellow winner. Remeber, there were three people who wrote that song.

Does anyone know why Rene Zellwegger didn't perform that song from Chicago with Catherine Zeta-Jones? Kudos to Queen Latifah for filling in, she sounded great! By the way, if I hear All That Jazz one more time it'll be way too soon.



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.36

    Originally posted by Dagent913
    Does anyone know why Rene Zellwegger didn't perform that song from Chicago with Catherine Zeta-Jones?


She claims to have a fear of performing live.



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#30 Posted on
You see to me, the oscars don't mean shit at all. When you have a crappy movie like the time machine nominated for best makeup, and their makeup in that movie sucked and was not nearly up to par to the makeup in oh say THE LORD OF THE FUCKING RINGS!

The oscars are just a way for hollywood people to think for one night "it's all about the art," so they won't feel bad about all the over-commercialized crap they do as well.



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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29
    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    I can't think of a truly outstanding Best Picutre winner in the last twenty years. And that really makes me sad, ya know?

I disagree. Forrest Gump was great(sue me). But remember these pre-1983 winners

1965: The Sound of Music(not that good)
1946: The Best Years of Our Lives(3 hours of my life I'll never get back)
1942: Casablanca(like going to a Duke game: O-VER-RA-TED)

EDIT: Looking back, Forrest Gump was NOT as good as Pulp Fiction....

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#32 Posted on
I loved American Beauty, but lately I seem to be alone in that sentiment.



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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29

    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    I loved American Beauty, but lately I seem to be alone in that sentiment.

OK I admit...I liked it too...



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#34 Posted on

    Originally posted by krakken2000

      Originally posted by Dagent913
      Does anyone know why Rene Zellwegger didn't perform that song from Chicago with Catherine Zeta-Jones?


    She claims to have a fear of performing live.



Listen to the soundtrack CD - she needs a lot of help in the mixing room



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#35 Posted on

    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    I loved American Beauty, but lately I seem to be alone in that sentiment.


I really liked that movie too, but I realize what you're saying. All of a sudden everyone I know, including the people who recommended the hell out of it to me, hates that movie, and Kevin Spacey in particular. Not sure what happened.



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#36 Posted on
Well I didn't catch the award til the "important" awards so here are my thoughts:


Best Actor: Adrien Brody....eh....good choice I guess but the first thing that popped in my mind was Robert Benigni(sp?)

Best Actress: WOO-HOO for Nicole Kidman.

Best Picture: Was I the only who saw this coming about 30-miles away they've got a verbal BJ the whole time but I still like the choice.



And I liked American Beauty too.



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#37 Posted on
It's a vote. It's all about tastes. We may like certain performances better than others, but that's just our single opinion. While I may have thought The Two Towers was the best film of the year, that's just one vote. It's all about the majority vote. This year, they voted for Chicago.



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#38 Posted on

    Originally posted by The Vile1
    You see to me, the oscars don't mean shit at all. When you have a crappy movie like the time machine nominated for best makeup, and their makeup in that movie sucked and was not nearly up to par to the makeup in oh say THE LORD OF THE FUCKING RINGS!


LOTR: TTT wasn't eligible, since the makeup effects were considered a "continuation" of the same efforts that won the Oscar last year.

So it's not a case of the LOTR not being "up to par," but just the rules of the academy (for good or bad).

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#39 Posted on
As a show it was OK, until the reaction for the best director. So let me get this straight; according to Hollywood:

War: is bad and should be protested (especially during a republican administration)
Child rapists: deserve a standing ovation

I dont mind giving Polanski the award. It was a great film. But the way that crowd reacted, as if he was some rebellious radical fighting "the system", was despicable. It was comparable to the Catholic Church publically applauding the child-molesting priests.

Not only is Polanski a child-rapist, but he didnt even have the courage to face retribution for his crime. He fled like a coward to escape justice.

If any of those godless fucks in hollywood had any sense of morality or decency, they would have had the balls to say something. I'd love to see someone bring it up on Bill Maher's live HBO show. But unfortunately, the only person on TV that'll bring it up will be Bill O-Reilly. And it'll be dismissed in the publice domain because he's just a "conservative".

Child rape is wrong, whether its perpetrated by a priest, wrestling coach, pop star, actor, or director.




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#40 Posted on

    Originally posted by Dagent913
    It was nice that Spirited Away won, but remember, it was nominated for a category that doesn't mean shit.




It only "doesn't mean shit" because it's two years old. Of course, any positive recognition is good in my book.



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