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FleaDude
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#41 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.16
The reason that Orton will be champion is because they don't want Brock Lesnar in their history books anymore. They don't want to look back and say,

DANTE : Hmm... youngest champion : Brock Lesnar, 25 years old. So what ever happened to him?
RANDEL : Oh, he quit because he just wanted to get rich and famous and then move to the NFL. I believe that he hated wrestling.
DANTE : OH NO! We've got to change that! Who can be champion?
RANDEL : I can be. I am a solid heel, with adequete mic skills, and I'm part of Evolution. What can go wrong? At least I'm better than JBL.
DANTE : I'm not even supposed to be here today...



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#42 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.35
    Originally posted by JMShapiro
    I agree with the majority of Mr dMr's post, except I have to run like a girl to the defense of my precious Chris Jericho ...

    d: "Jericho's title reign bombed horribly"

    Aesthetically, sure, but that's not really his fault. The three shows he had the title on were three of the company's most successful PPVs ... so....there's not really anything one can point to to say it bombed. The reaction to the title match at Mania, maybe, but again, that goes so far beyond Jericho having the belt.


True indeed, but I don't think the heat he was receiving at the time was in line with the push he was getting. Overness is pretty subjective at the best of times though, so I take your point, but still stand by my opinion that there was enough bad aspects to his run to warrant him being kept out of the ME picture for a while (though much of the crappiness was for reasons outwith his control).


    "Incidentally, when Christian and Jericho headlined RAW the ME segment got shit ratings."

    That's not quite fair.... The 3.4 overall rating was a huge disappointment, but it was for the overall hyped top-to-bottom show, for whatever reason. Furthermo', you could point to Eugene vs. Kane getting far shittier ratings in a main event too, and I don't think anyone would use it as an indictment of either of their pushes.


Considering the match had been heavily hyped for some time a 3.3 to 3.6 with a 3.9 overrun was pretty cruddy in my opinion. Kane v Eugene was only built on the night if I remember and both can fall back on other factors to warrant their pushes (Eugene's crowd pops, Kanes rating jumps during the unmasking angle). I was really only using it to show that what little evidence we have regarding Christian's ME potential doesn't suggest that the fans are clamouring for him to be there.


    "Randy Orton debuted in April 2001. Over three years ago."

    It was only 2002, actually. Not that I think there's any need to wait, as 'striking while the iron is hot' (gag) is a lot better than flattening guys out by making them wait.


Um, God knows where I got that from. It would actually have been exeptionally difficult for the poor lad to debut on April 25 2001 what with that being a Wednesday. It was April 25 2002 of course, but hey I had the month and the day NAILED BABY!


    "It may not all be his fault but he ain't even close to being as popular as Eddie, or HBK were when they held the belt."

    I don't think Michaels was all that popular during the specific month he held the belt, pop at MSG for the win notwithstanding. He had that woman's haircut and was giving boring interviews as he was still getting back in the swing of things.


Fair play. I was going by memory, but I'm not hearing uber-pops for Benoit just now, and really I'm not 'feeling it' from his title run. While he's given us some really good matches, I just don't think we've been given a reason to buy into his character to any great extent. I mean its not entirely his fault what with him getting greatly limited mic time, but in the ring he just doesn't evoke much emotion from me in the way HBK and Eddie did. Theres no problem with his reign as such, just that I don't think its been particularly noteworthy.

Getting back to the Orton thing and the criticisms made by others, I'll leave it by saying that I accept the guys got faults. I accept he doesn't entertain everyone. I don't accept the over the top criticism from some that he's a Jeff Hardy-esque spot blower with the work rate of Mark Henry and the charisma of Bob Holly jock. Refusal to accept the talents that the guy DOES clearly have just weakens any argument against them IMO.

It looks like they've decided to pull the trigger by elevating a young guy to ME level at an early stage in his career, something many of us have been clamouring for some time. Of course he won't be to everybody's tastes but frankly nobody would. Heck some people STILL hate The Rock, and I never got the Stone Cold love for some reason. But to me the potential rewards from a succesful run far outweigh the drawbacks if it fails.

(quoting fixed - thecubsfan)

(edited by thecubsfan on 3.8.04 1610)


The Vile1
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That's surprising about Christian. Based on how he acts on TV and his sense of humor and stuff you'd think he would be a comic book fan. Humorously, that's what others were thinking.
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