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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.36
There have been some recent rumours of putting the belt on Orton come Summerslam; and a heck of a lot of people aren't down with that. With claims that Orton's too boring, not polished enough, I've been thinking about how he reminds me of Brock Lesnar as champion.

Lesnar was thrust into the limelight at a very young age, and a lot of people said the same thing about him, yet he offered Smackdown (and for that matter, the WWE) somethign it needed; a new face holding the title. While the WWE isn't really in need of a new champion, a new challenger would be a good thing, in my eyes.

Triple H lost the title to Benoit at Wrestlemania; and he's been in the thick of the title hunt since he lost the title...perhaps having Orton take Hunter's place as a contender, and perhaps Benoit can carry Orton to some decent matches. If Orton's not the greatest wrestler in the world, he can certainly learn by wrestling Benoit in a series of matches in the future.

I'd like to see these two sustain a rivalry for the fall and winter, and hopefully see it cumulate in some decent title matches, perhaps even seeing the title change hands in some heated encounters.

...and hopefully, without Triple H involved.



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Seeing as how it took Benoit a number of title shots to finally attain the gold, and many other wrestlers for that matter, I don't think it's a good idea if Orton wins it in his first PPV main event match. Especially at SummerSlam.

I really think it's foolish that WWE reverses this pattern for heels. Orton is a promising star, who is still developing into a great talent, but I think he would be better served by losing this one and coming out looking strong against Benoit in their SummerSlam match.

Brock did a lot of great things for the WWE Title, even if he wasn't really a draw, and putting the title on him was necessary to make Angle a solid star, and help guys like Guerrero and Benoit get to main event level on SMACKDOWN!
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.87
I don't think it's a good idea if Orton wins it in his first PPV main event match. Especially at SummerSlam.

Just to be completely accurate:

- Orton has main evented a pay-per-view before...

- Orton has wrestled, on a pay-per-view, in the main event, for the World Title before...

- Orton has wrestled, at SummerSlam, in the main event, for the World Title before...

God bless the elimination chamber!



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
I definately think that it is a good idea for WWE to elevate Orton to the main event level. He's been consistently in the upper card for about six months, and he seems to be really improving. I don't think they should put the belt on him as there is a good storyline with the dissension in Evolution to be played out BEFORE Orton wins the belt. Also, there is a big difference between Orton and Lesnar in that Lesnar was pushed for about five months as an absolute, can't-be-beaten monster while Orton has received more of a slow build than Lesnar.
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.26
The difference with heels and faces in terms of repeat challenges, though, is that no one wants the heel to chase the title. You could make the argument that Orton is starting to get a face reaction (and I defy anyone who saw Bad Blood or Vengeance to argue that Orton is either boring or not over), but Benoit will definitely be the face in this feud. If he beats Orton, that doesn't leave the crowd saying "damn, that was close, I hope he goes for it again" the way you get with faces. If Benoit beats Orton, unless you get a ***** match out of it, I think the general feeling would be "OK, good for Benoit, now who does he get next?".

Should Orton be the champ right now? Maybe, maybe not, but I don't have a problem with it if they do it. Was The Rock at his peak in '98 when he got his first title? No. But it took him from PPV matches with Mark Henry to legit main eventer in the span of about two months. They struck while the iron was hot, and it stuck. Brock did, too, as well as he could have at the time he was champ and with the opponents he was given. Hard to crucify a guy because his Hardcore Holly feud didn't sell out the world.

Above that, I do believe Orton vs. HHH is a WrestleMania calibre feud. If Orton wins the title and and Eugene beats Hunter at SummerSlam they can boot Hunter out of Evolution at some point in the next couple of months, have Evolution "injure" H so he can film his movie, and set up the WM match with an angle eight or nine months in the making. For the sake of long term planning, Orton getting the title now might not be a bad idea.



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.11
If there is one negative feeling I have towards how the web has changed wrestling it's on the issue of "credibility."

A classic "cheating heel" champ is no longer possible. Someone who you feel frustrated about constantly winning. The benefit of this kind of champ is that it freshens your entire face midcard. Any upper midcard face becomes a legit title contender because the champ wins just by the "skin of his teeth"

Orton would be perfect in this kind of role. However, I think that the nature of the fans and wrestling has evolved in such a way that this is no longer possible.

Therefore, I am not looking forward to his title reign if it starts at SummerSlam because of the shoddy build up. However, to preempt an argument- I don't think you can do the HHH-Orton feud without the belt because then what would make Orton's wins over HHH any more important than Shelton's or Eugene's interference.
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.52
You cfgb, Randy Orton was number 2 at the Rumble this year, does that count as another PPV main event for him? Orton's participating in an elimination chamber match is pretty insignificant as far as a PPV main event goes since he didn't really have much of a presence in the match and was the second man eliminated. The match was originally supposed to be Goldberg and HHH, so Orton being in there was no big thang. There's never been a PPV main event where it was just about Orton and his opponent.

I don't get why people keep comparing Randy Orton to The Rock or even Brock Lesnar. When the Rock won the title, his poularity was climbing and climbing, he was becoming a big ratings draw, and like its been said, they struck while the iron was hot. But the iron isn't hot now for Randy Orton. He's an ok wrestler, but his wrestling is still lacking and leaves a lot to be desired. I mean he couldn't even handle the match with Edge for 27 minutes at Vengeance and a world champion/main eventer needs to be able to do that. If he's wrestling Benoit, the matches could be pretty good, but I still don't think Orton is ready to get the title. And he's not at the level The Rock or even Lesnar were when they won their titles pretty early into their pro careers.




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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.87
You cfgb, Randy Orton was number 2 at the Rumble this year, does that count as another PPV main event for him?

Since the Rumble was given top billing and at least 50% of the hype, I suppose in the technical sense it was. Chalk one more up for Orton!

Elimination Chamber or not, and how much of a role he played, it's still on the books at Orton having gotten a World Title match in the main event of SummerSlam.

I mean he couldn't even handle the match with Edge for 27 minutes at Vengeance and a world champion/main eventer needs to be able to do that.

In the past 10 years, we have seen the following men carry the World Title:

- Diesel
- Sid
- Kane
- Triple H's first few months
- Vince McMahon
- The Big Show
- Chris Jericho
- Hulk Hogan
- Goldberg
- President George W. Layfield

I don't recall ANY of the 10 people I just listed being able to carry their own for 27 minutes during their title reigns. 27 minutes of wrestling ability hasn't been a pre-requisite in the WWF at any time since the Hogan era started and CERTAINLY never since Attitude kicked in. We may have shifted to a more wrestling geared atmosphere, but it's still the same names going the distance (Michaels, Hunter, Benoit, Eddie) that have been doing it for years now. As far as overall talent goes, I'd put Orton ahead of all of the guys I listed above. And he's certainly getting more of a crowd response than Lesnar was getting before he took the title (his win over The Rock in Nassau not withstanding).

There are a lot more people in wrestling that could be more offensive to the belt than Orton. It's why I don't watch Smackdown!



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.21
It's time to put Orton in to the Main Event officially. I would have liked to see him carry the IC Title a little longer as it would have added even more credibility to the belt and Orton himself. Now that the reign is over there is no point in him going back after the belt as it's time to move on. Is he ready for the title now? Probably not but as cfgb pointed out they could do a lot worse.
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.52
    Originally posted by cfgb
    You cfgb, Randy Orton was number 2 at the Rumble this year, does that count as another PPV main event for him?

    Since the Rumble was given top billing and at least 50% of the hype, I suppose in the technical sense it was. Chalk one more up for Orton!

    Elimination Chamber or not, and how much of a role he played, it's still on the books at Orton having gotten a World Title match in the main event of SummerSlam.

    I mean he couldn't even handle the match with Edge for 27 minutes at Vengeance and a world champion/main eventer needs to be able to do that.

    In the past 10 years, we have seen the following men carry the World Title:

    - Diesel
    - Sid
    - Kane
    - Triple H's first few months
    - Vince McMahon
    - The Big Show
    - Chris Jericho
    - Hulk Hogan
    - Goldberg
    - President George W. Layfield

    I don't recall ANY of the 10 people I just listed being able to carry their own for 27 minutes during their title reigns. 27 minutes of wrestling ability hasn't been a pre-requisite in the WWF at any time since the Hogan era started and CERTAINLY never since Attitude kicked in. We may have shifted to a more wrestling geared atmosphere, but it's still the same names going the distance (Michaels, Hunter, Benoit, Eddie) that have been doing it for years now. As far as overall talent goes, I'd put Orton ahead of all of the guys I listed above. And he's certainly getting more of a crowd response than Lesnar was getting before he took the title (his win over The Rock in Nassau not withstanding).

    There are a lot more people in wrestling that could be more offensive to the belt than Orton. It's why I don't watch Smackdown!


I'm not even going to count some of those people on that list. Kane was champion for a day and defended the title once on RAW. Vince McMahon had the title for like a week and never defended it. Jericho, despite his lameduck reign as champion always did his best to work good, longer matches against The Rock and Stone Cold and such when he was champion.

What I was trying to say is, I think Orton's skills are incomplete and his singles matches leave something to be desired. But you know, put him against Benoit in some matches and see what happens, good I'm all for that. I think though we should maybe see how he does in 2 weeks before we decide he's ready to be world champ yet. I also want to repeat, ORTON IS NOT THE ROCK!




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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.68
No-one's saying that Orton is The Rock, fer cryin' out loud! In the history of wrestling there've been maybe four people who ARE on the same level as Rocky, so trying to hold that against the guy is a wee bit silly, methinks.

And Orton has come on MASSIVELY since the beginning of this year. If you'd have put him in a half-hour match in January he would've started a finishing sequence ten minutes in; at least now he's got poise and pacing down, leaving his moveset to be bulked up. But what really points to his abilities is that he's come this far working with only one bona fide uber-wrestler-Mick Foley-and the rest of the development has come through him wrestling people at the same ability level as him (Benjamin, Edge). Putting him against genuinely great in-ring workers like Benoit should really get his workrate motor humming.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.79
But who is left if Benoit wins?....Edge or Jericho possibly but I think the WWE is better off with Orton as champion as it would a)leave Trips out of the title picture as look as Orton remains a heel b)set up fresh main events like a Benoit rematch, a Jericho match and leave Trips in the lower ranks to elevate new face talent like Edge. I also believe WWE wants to hand over the ''youngest champion in history'' moniker over to Orton instead of NFL Lesnar. If Orton does win however I don't see him as a long term champion.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
If Orton doesn't win the title I think that Edge is gonna be the next challenger for Benoit. He's been rumored to be going heel for about two months now and since there is no other obvious challenger besides HHH, it would be logical. I also think it's a possibility that Edge will be in Evolution somehow. Even though his "mission" is to destroy Evolution or whatever it seems like they're subtley hinting at Edge in evolution.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.69
Let me say if I have to watch Orton live win the title, I'll be pissed off as a paying customer. Orton is not OVER, he is a small chant during two boring matches, whatever. The elemination chamber doesn't count as main eventing, he has never gone one on one with somebody at the end of PPV which is hard since that's HHH's spot for the last three years.

SummerSlam is shaping up to be a suck fest with Bradshaw keeping the title and the rather weak undercard. I wouldn't use the number 2 PPV of the year to eveluate a kid who is not ready for the title. Epically, when the fans will piss all over it and not in a Hogan Bash at the Bash at the Beach 96 way, but in a Jeff Jarret in TNA kinda way. I know the net is the know it alls, but as someone who is spending well over $100 for this, I am going to be like it was a waiste of time and money. This is not the reaction you want fans to have to start Orton out with.
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.48
Orton as Champ? It might work or it might not, you never know until it happens, so those who are pissing all over the idea, control yourselves.

As for Summerslam, i disagree with A Fan because there are only 3 matches so far at Summerslam, being:

RAW Brand-
Benoit vs. Orton for WWE World Heavyweight Championship

Smackdown! Brand-
JBL vs. Undertaker for the WWE Championship
Eddie Guerrero vs. Kurt Angle

There's still a lot of matches that could be booked for Summerslam, so don't just crap on it because you don't like the idea of Orton being in a main event match or that Bradshaw is going to keep the title.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.16
    Originally posted by cfgb
    I don't think it's a good idea if Orton wins it in his first PPV main event match. Especially at SummerSlam.

    Just to be completely accurate:

    - Orton has main evented a pay-per-view before...

    - Orton has wrestled, on a pay-per-view, in the main event, for the World Title before...

    - Orton has wrestled, at SummerSlam, in the main event, for the World Title before...

    God bless the elimination chamber!


For some reason I just found this really funny!

But my two cents; Orton is just NOT ready. Give Benoit a long term fued or something. Or turn Benoit heel? Hmm...

Imagine a face Jericho vs. a heel Benoit. Now THAT is an awesome match idea (I love both of them)!

And if Benoit loses, what does he do from there? I still want him main eventing. Aw well... he'll always have WM XX.

(edited by FleaDude on 1.8.04 2022)


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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.85
I must be mentally delusional because I don't see anything about Orton that suggests world champion or WMXXI main eventer. WWE has pushed Orton down the collective throats of the fans, and sure, he's OK, but OK don't cut it. There are people who are better then OK who get passed over.

I don't HATE Orton, but he needs MUCH more time IMO to become this thing they invision. The next Rock? Maybe in 3-5 years and don't believe that either.

Now maybe at WMXXI Orton fights HHH over the leadership of Evolution, sure. But thats as far as I would go. I can't buy Orton as anything more then a pretender here. CHRIST, he even uses DDP's old finisher!

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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.31
    Originally posted by A Fan
    Let me say if I have to watch Orton live win the title, I'll be pissed off as a paying customer. Orton is not OVER, he is a small chant during two boring matches, whatever.


Are you freaking kidding? He may have his limitations in the ring, but to argue that he's 'not over' is ridiculous. He's been attracting great heat lately, while also getting a good few pro Randy chants which, a) should be expected given the cool heel role he plays and b) go to show that the heat he attracts is not the fabled X-pac heat as some attempted to contend not so long ago.


    The elemination chamber doesn't count as main eventing, he has never gone one on one with somebody at the end of PPV which is hard since that's HHH's spot for the last three years.


So you don't want someone main-eventing who's never done it before, but you moan about the same people main eventing continually. Riiighht....


    SummerSlam is shaping up to be a suck fest with Bradshaw keeping the title and the rather weak undercard.


Again, JBL has been drawing really good heat since his heel turn. Admittedly he plays to the lowest common denominator in order to do so a little too often for my liking, but the live crowds at least seem to buy into his character. The fact that somebody is not loved round these parts don't mean he ain't doing well in the grand scheme of things. A win over Taker would go some way to giving him long term main event credibility, and with SD's lack of strong heels thats no bad thing.


    I wouldn't use the number 2 PPV of the year to eveluate a kid who is not ready for the title. Epically, when the fans will piss all over it and not in a Hogan Bash at the Bash at the Beach 96 way, but in a Jeff Jarret in TNA kinda way.


Do you mean 'evaluate' or 'elevate'? If its the former, then they're done evaluating. Verdicts in and the high heid yins at the WWE clearly like him. If you mean elevate, then I'd argue firstly that he's already been nicely elevated by feuds (and wins over) Foley and Michaels, and secondly that putting him over while he's hot at a major PPV could take his career to the next level. The fact that its in Benoit's back yard where they know we'll be left with the fans booing the shit out of him also means hell be ingrained as a heel in the eyes of all those watching.


    I know the net is the know it alls, but as someone who is spending well over $100 for this, I am going to be like it was a waiste of time and money. This is not the reaction you want fans to have to start Orton out with.


Thats YOUR reaction. Did you ever consider that a number of fans would have felt they wasted their money on WM XX by seeing career long mid-carders like Benoit and Eddie going over in the two title matches? You can please some of the people some of the time and all that.

    Originally posted by TheGreekPhysique
    I don't HATE Orton, but he needs MUCH more time IMO to become this thing they invision. The next Rock? Maybe in 3-5 years and don't believe that either.


Randy Orton is currently 24 years and 4 months old. Rocky made his WWF debut at 24 years 6 months. By reckoning that means Randy's acheived a lot more than The Rock had at the same age.

Does that mean he'll go on to outdo The Rock? No, he probably won't in all likelihood. But The Rock who one his first WWF title wasn't The Rock of today either. Not even close in fact. But even if Orton acheives half of what The Rock did then that would still make him one of the best around. Saying he shouldn't be pushed because he might never be as good as The Rock is like saying Eli Manning shouldn't have been drafted because he might never be as good as Montana.

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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.69
Orton has Hardy heat which is the girls squeel if thats what consists of heat to world champ then Jeff would be a two time champ by now. Hell, I want more people in the main event picture like Jericho, Christian and Edge, I just don't think Orton is ready for a nine month title reign. Let me say that again, he is going to have the title for nine months, a period of time where the fans probably will be bored by the chinlocks of doom and boring promos. He is not ready for this push nor do I think he deserves it. Everyone wants the young talent pushed to the moon, but lets face it if he does it all, he'll be gone faster than Lesnar. The world title should be something a person gets after at least three years in a company.

Smackdown had a great main event heel right in front of them, but as usual Booker T must not have the right look for World Champ, but Hoss JBL does. The fact that he has had one real contender for his title in the last month tells you alot about JBL's wrestling ability. Smackdown has been ok mainly due to the possiblity of Kurt/Eddie and Cena is the next big main eventer without a push.

Once again, let me say this Orton is not Rock. He has none of Rock's skills, Rock was light years ahead of him and to some degree so was Brock when he won the title. Having the fans piss all over Orton is not going to cement him as a heel, it is going to cement the fact that Vince doesn't know what the fans want. When Brock beat Rock, fans were cheering. When Kurt beat Benoit in 2002 at the Rumble fans gave them a standing O. Brock's heel win came on a Smackdown, so the fans didn't have to pay to see it. Vince's plan for SummerSlam is to have both heels walk out of Toronto with the belt, I'm sure the fans after watching the clusterfuck that will be Taker/LBJ will love watching their hometown hero get beat by a kid who half the time looks lost in the ring. Yeah, thats what the fans want. No, the fans want Edge turning heel beating Benoit and Booker T as champ. So far LBJ has been a joke and Orton is headed for a cosmic disaster for nine months. Plus, he get to see HHH once again main event a Wrestlemania even though this maybe Kurt's last run, Cena is completely over and Benoit has been the best face champ since Rock left. Yep, Orton is the real deal allright, the real deal to get HHH more heat.

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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.35
    Originally posted by A Fan
    Orton has Hardy heat which is the girls squeel if thats what consists of heat to world champ then Jeff would be a two time champ by now.


Except he gets booed and attracts 'Randy Sucks' chants. He's gone out of his way to get heat from the girls who do cheer him on occassions by opening his arms to them then waving them off dismissively at the last minute. The face pops he gets are often from guys who like the cool dickish heel he's portraying. At Vengeance he recognised the crowd was getting on Edges back so turned on them to ensure Edge went over as the face. So really he's absolutely nothing like Jeff Hardy.


    Hell, I want more people in the main event picture like Jericho, Christian and Edge.


Good for you. I doubt many others do. Jericho's title reign bombed horribly, Edge has hardly set the world on fire since his return, and Christian's injured and also has plenty of shortcomings of his own. Incidentally, when Christian and Jericho headlined RAW the ME segment got shit ratings.


    I just don't think Orton is ready for a nine month title reign. Let me say that again, he is going to have the title for nine months, a period of time where the fans probably will be bored by the chinlocks of doom and boring promos.


His promos are one area where he's definitely improved, and he does a nice job of using a variety of mat holds unlike some. And lets leave the bitching about nine month title reigns till he's held it for, oh, I dunno, nine weeks? Nine days? Nine Minutes?


    He is not ready for this push nor do I think he deserves it. Everyone wants the young talent pushed to the moon, but lets face it if he does it all, he'll be gone faster than Lesnar. The world title should be something a person gets after at least three years in a company.


Randy Orton debuted in April 2001. Over three years ago.


    Smackdown had a great main event heel right in front of them, but as usual Booker T must not have the right look for World Champ, but Hoss JBL does.


Heel Booker really doesn't cut it for me at the ME level, much as I love him. He also has persistent back problems and plans on retiring within a year.


    The fact that he has had one real contender for his title in the last month tells you alot about JBL's wrestling ability.


I'd say it says more about the depth of the SD roster.


    Once again, let me say this Orton is not Rock. He has none of Rock's skills, Rock was light years ahead of him and to some degree so was Brock when he won the title.


Randy can work a crowd a darned sight better than Brock could when he won the title. As for Rock being light years ahead? Like I said before, he hadn't even debuted by the time he was Randys age so god knows where you get that from.


    Having the fans piss all over Orton is not going to cement him as a heel, it is going to cement the fact that Vince doesn't know what the fans want.


Fans are meant to boo a heel. Loud booing to end a PPV thus cements Randy as a top level heel. He might not know what you want, but I dare say he's done a little more market research into the subject than you.


    Vince's plan for SummerSlam is to have both heels walk out of Toronto with the belt.


I doubt it'll happen and I'd agree it would be silly if he did, though overall I think that JBL and Orton should go over at some stage. But again, lets at least wait until its happened.


    Plus, he get to see HHH once again main event a Wrestlemania even though this maybe Kurt's last run, Cena is completely over and Benoit has been the best face champ since Rock left. Yep, Orton is the real deal allright, the real deal to get HHH more heat.


Oh please. You don't give someone a ME slot at WM because it might be their last run. Cena has as many flaws, if not more than Orton, and Benoit being best face champ since Rock? It may not all be his fault but he ain't even close to being as popular as Eddie, or HBK were when they held the belt.



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