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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.85
Milt Pappas is no longer the man who came closest to throwing a perfect game. That was worse than the Denkinger call, where the pitcher's footwork was somewhat awkward.

Big credit to Galarraga for keeping his cool, and a damned shame for him to lose that bit of history like that.



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.88
I still like the Montreal screw job a little better. Bud probably saying this controversy can only bring me better baseball attendance and TV ratings. Hey it worked for the WWE and NASCAR.
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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.59
I will say that Galarraga was completely outstanding in handling this situation. I know if it was me, I'd be absolutely beside myself over this. I agree with another poster who said that the perfect game should not be overturned. It's bad enough that the there will always be an asterisk beside this particular one hitter but don't draw more attention to it by saying it was a perfect game.

Simply put, the ump blew the call and probably will never work another playoff game ever again. I will now go and sulk over the crappy officating from SB40 LOL...



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.70
I'm not sure that Joyce should be fired or banned from playoff action or anything. I have no umpire rankings to judge from so I have no basis for this, but do we know how good Jim Joyce is overall as an ump? Suppose he's one of the top-ranked umpires in the league --- it's not fair that he should lose his job over one terrible call (and one that, while unfortunate, didn't cost a team a game).

    Originally posted by It's False
      Originally posted by ekedolphin
      Oh, Good Lord! Haven't the Tigers, Red Wings and Pistons all won league championships in the past decade? (Well, the Tigers got to the World Series, anyway.)


    True, but with the exception of the Red Wings, Detroit's teams are in the toilet right now. Sure, the Tigers are making a run for first, but they're coming off one of the biggest collapses in MLB history. Detroit's not terrible, but they're not rolling in good fortune, either.


Yeah, as a fan of Toronto sports teams, cry me a river, Detroit. In the last 15 years, Detroit has enjoyed four Stanley Cups and an NBA title, plus the Wings, Pistons and Tigers have all had a losing appearance in their league final. The city is hardly done by for sporting glory.

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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.98
    Originally posted by Big Bad
    I'm not sure that Joyce should be fired or banned from playoff action or anything. I have no umpire rankings to judge from so I have no basis for this, but do we know how good Jim Joyce is overall as an ump? Suppose he's one of the top-ranked umpires in the league --- it's not fair that he should lose his job over one terrible call (and one that, while unfortunate, didn't cost a team a game).


Well, here's the funny thing- he probably is one of the highest-regarded umps, by the players- look at what Schilling said about him in his ESPN (espn.go.com) column:

    Originally posted by Schilling

    ...I watched in horror Wednesday night as Armando Galarraga lost a perfect game because of a blown call by umpire Jim Joyce. My heart broke for two reasons. First off, the kid did it. He threw a perfect game that was ruined by a bad call.

    The second reason was Jim Joyce does not -- and will not -- deserve 99 percent of the stupid things people will say about him in the coming days. Jim Joyce is, and always has been, an exceptional umpire and a fantastic guy...

    ...Joyce is a rare bird for this reason. He'll be the first to admit, as he did Wednesday, when he makes a mistake. He's a damn good umpire, incredibly consistent, which wins him votes with hitters and pitchers, but most of all accountable...


This was the perfect storm of botchery- an obvious brainfart at the worst possible time. If you're a football fan, maybe it's similar to Ed Hochuli screwing the pooch in that Broncos-Chargers game. Sucks for Galarraga, sucks for Joyce, sucks for everyone.





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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.88
A second thought

Give the UMP a little credit for owning up to his mistake. You will never see a NBA ref(Joey Crawford,Eddie Rush etc) do this.

Yes it sucks but shit happens.
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.22
Poz on Jim Joyce

http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2010/06/02/the-lesson-of-jim-joyce/

Lebatard on Jim Joyce

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/06/02/1660927/perfect-acceptance-of-an-imperfect.html



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.04
    Originally posted by ekedolphin
      Originally posted by BoromirMark

      This was just an utter disgrace, a collective gut-punch to the city of Detroit, and a highway robbery of what should have been the proudest moment of a young man's career.


    Oh, Good Lord! Haven't the Tigers, Red Wings and Pistons all won league championships in the past decade? (Well, the Tigers got to the World Series, anyway.)



Well, yeah. But given the way the economy has been in Detroit in recent years, I think having a little extra sports enjoyment isn't too much to ask for.

Galarraga's bittersweet smile as he realized what had happened to him may be one of the greatest sports moments I've ever seen. He could have flipped out, he could have cried...but he just realized there was nothing he could do, and smiled.

I really don't know how I feel about the notion of Selig declaring it a perfect game tomorrow, but I'm damn sure I wish there were instant replay for this situation. Would it be so terribly expensive to go to five-man ump crews, with the fifth station being in a video booth? This way, the umps wouldn't have to leave the field and wouldn't have to be overruled by an outside force. Just one of their own whispering in the crew chief's ear, "he was out, reverse the call". I think that would have been a lot better for Galarraga, a lot better for the Detroit fans, and, yes, a lot better for Jim Joyce. (Giving the umps a day of sedentary work might not be a bad thing as well.)

I'm toying with the idea of writing a parody song to the tune of "Harvey Haddix" by The Baseball Project, the song I was talking about in the thread on Halladay's perfecto. Will post here if I do.

As for the three perfect games (more or less) in such a short time frame, it really is mind-boggling. This is a time when only about 3% of pitchers throw a complete game, as opposed to nearly 25% in the 60s. And while offense is definitely down in baseball this year compared to the last few, it's got a long way to drop before it gets to even the historical average, let alone really low. It's also not as if there are a bunch of historically bad teams: the Indians are bad, but no worse than the bottom teams usually are, and the other two victims are actually pretty good. If there's any explanation besides dumb luck, I'm looking forward to it because I sure don't see it now.

Oh, one last thing: the ovation the next time Galarraga takes the mound at home is going to be epic.
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.55
I would feel bad for the pitcher if Mike & Mike weren't talking this to death which means ESPN will talk it to death til the tip-off of the Lakers/Celtics game. I guess Griffey retiring and a Stanley Cup game going to OT means nothing to one screw up in one of the 162 regular season game that didn't change who won the game.
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.50
While, as a Detroit fan, I very disappointed that Galarraga was deprived of his place in history, I also feel for Joyce. He came out immediately afterwards and admitted the blown call. Galarraga is a picture of class in his reaction both on the field immediately after the call and talking to the press after the game. He may not be an "ace" for the Tigers, but Detroit fans especially appreciate good guys on our sports teams and Galarraga is one.

And while this won't be remembered as a perfect game, I think this story will live on much longer than the other two perfect games that were thrown this season. It may be painful, but it's a great story to tell your kids and they can even learn from Galarraga how a classy person should react after getting screwed like that.

Wondering if Joyce is umping today considering that, according to the rotation, he should be behind the plate today. Can't imagine MLB would allow him to go through the abuse he'd have to take today calling balls and strikes.

EDIT: By the way, the whole fiasco is made even more soul-crushing because of the ridiculously awesome basket catch by Jackson in DEEP left-center to save the perfecto at the beginning of the 9th.

(edited by Reverend J Shaft on 3.6.10 0832)
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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.62
Joyce is behind home plate today.
Also, just heard on sports radio that after the game last night, Jim Leyland was walking by the ump's shower and heard someone crying in there. It was Joyce, and Leyland went in and comforted him. No, I don't have a link. Just what the Power Trip just said.
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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.23
Ernie Shore has credit for a perfect game in a game he didn't even start. Babe Ruth started the game, walked the first hitter and got ejected, then Shore came in relief, picked off the runner and retired the next 26 hitters. Perfect game.

If THAT's a perfect game, I see no reason Bud can't use that as a precedent to award Galarraga a perfect game under these circumstances.



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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.70
Shore actually doesn't officially have credit for a perfecto, that ruling was changed some years ago. It's still a combined no-hitter between he and Ruth, though.


    As for the three perfect games (more or less) in such a short time frame, it really is mind-boggling. This is a time when only about 3% of pitchers throw a complete game, as opposed to nearly 25% in the 60s. And while offense is definitely down in baseball this year compared to the last few, it's got a long way to drop before it gets to even the historical average, let alone really low. It's also not as if there are a bunch of historically bad teams: the Indians are bad, but no worse than the bottom teams usually are, and the other two victims are actually pretty good. If there's any explanation besides dumb luck, I'm looking forward to it because I sure don't see it now.


I read a good explanation about this after Halladay's perfect game --- batters are striking out more often than ever, and there isn't as much of a stigma for a K as there was decades ago. With more guys up there swinging away and getting fooled, they're not putting a priority on simply putting the ball in play, thus the lack of a grounder dribbling through the infield or something.
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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.91
    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Shore actually doesn't officially have credit for a perfecto, that ruling was changed some years ago. It's still a combined no-hitter between he and Ruth, though.


      As for the three perfect games (more or less) in such a short time frame, it really is mind-boggling. This is a time when only about 3% of pitchers throw a complete game, as opposed to nearly 25% in the 60s. And while offense is definitely down in baseball this year compared to the last few, it's got a long way to drop before it gets to even the historical average, let alone really low. It's also not as if there are a bunch of historically bad teams: the Indians are bad, but no worse than the bottom teams usually are, and the other two victims are actually pretty good. If there's any explanation besides dumb luck, I'm looking forward to it because I sure don't see it now.


    I read a good explanation about this after Halladay's perfect game --- batters are striking out more often than ever, and there isn't as much of a stigma for a K as there was decades ago. With more guys up there swinging away and getting fooled, they're not putting a priority on simply putting the ball in play, thus the lack of a grounder dribbling through the infield or something.






But, the more strikeouts means the more pitches, and in this age of pitch counts, the less likelihood of a pitcher going 9 if it gets too high. And in this game, Galarraga had 3 strikeout on 88 pitches (helping along what might be the even more incrdible time of game) Off topic, but when did 100 become this magic pitch count number with pitchers? I can remember when Pedro Martinez in his last years with Boston the magic number was 105, where the splits became ridiculous for him after that, but that was a small guy with arm problems. Why did that get taken for the number that must be the warning sign for all pitchers?
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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.75
Supposedly there is precedent for a review of the game (Fay Vincent reviewed some older game records and overturned some no hitters) and MLB is looking at the game.

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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.72
Mike and Mike (or Mike Greenberg, at least) seem to think the rise in pitching/decline in batting has nothing to do with this being the post-steroid era and is actually largely due to the decreased use of amphetamines in baseball. They hypothesized that with the number of back-to-backs teams play, especially on the road, they just can't get up like they have been in the past. Interesting theory, but I couldn't imagine that pitchers are throwing no-hitters just because batters can't take their Adderall anymore.
    Originally posted by JimBob Skeeter
    Also, just heard on sports radio that after the game last night, Jim Leyland was walking by the ump's shower and heard someone crying in there. It was Joyce, and Leyland went in and comforted him. No, I don't have a link. Just what the Power Trip just said.

So Leyland... went into the shower with Joyce? Lol?

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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.62
http://www.freep.com/​article/​20100603/​SPORTS02/​100603024/​1321/​

Leyland wants fans to cheer errant ump today, not boo


Tigers manager Jim Leyland is calling for cheers – not boos – for umpire Jim Joyce before this afternoon’s series finale against the Cleveland Indians.

That might be tough for fans since most are still smarting after Joyce’s blown call at first base in the ninth inning Wednesday night cost Tigers starter Armando Galarraga the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

But Leyland doesn’t want one bad call to tarnish the reputation of Joyce, who is considered one of the best in the game. In his pregame comments to the media Leyland said, “This is a day for Detroit to shine.

“We can show what we’re all about today. I hope they give the umpire an ovation. I really do.”

Leyland said MLB gave Joyce the option to not work today's game between Detroit and Cleveland, but Joyce chose to stick with his job behind the plate. Leyland added that Galarraga would present the lineup card and shake hands with Joyce at home plate before the afternoon game.

Joyce, the first-base umpire, told reporters he missed the call with two outs in the ninth that would have given Galarraga the perfect game. Joyce ruled that Jason Donald beat Galarraga to the bag as Galarraga took a throw from first baseman Miguel Cabrera.

After the game, Joyce saw to his horror that the replay showed Galarraga had beaten Donald. The call set off a firestorm of criticism from around the nation and made national news as it was a hot topic on morning TV shows.
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Ok, that's pretty classy on both Leyland and Galarraga's part, even on Joyce's part cuz you KNOW he's expecting boos on those close calls this afternoon, and he's going to stand there and take it cuz he's admitted he was wrong.


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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.04
So he lost one piece of history and got another. Is it really THAT big of a deal?



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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.22

apparently (not seen it yet) Joyce teared up when Galarraga brought out the line up card today.



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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.88
Life not all that cruel, Looks like GM gave him a corvette

http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/sports/baseball/indians/gov.-awards-galarraga-perfect-game,-gm-gives-corvette
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