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Jim Joyce should be fired. I don't care if MLB apologizes later, this was as disgusting a call as I've seen in decades. He blew a call in the bottom of the 8th to lead to to 2 Tiger runs, which happens. Then, 2 outs, top of ninth, PERFECT GAME on the line, and he misses the pitcher tagging the bag by 2 steps. Not bang/bang. 2 steps. As far as I'm concerned, Armando Galarraga threw the 3rd perfect game in the majors this season. And he did it in a little under 1 hour 50 minutes. And I'm not by any means a Tiger fan. Disgusting.
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Galarraga pitched a perfect game against the Indians for 8.2 innings. He should have had the third out, but a clearly blown call by the first base umpire robbed him of the perfect game. If you watch the replay, it wasn't really that close. Galarraga ended up with a one-hit shutout.



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I dunno - "screwing" would imply that the Tigers were going to win and the win was somehow taken away by the calls. Sounds like that didn't happen here (although perhaps an argument could be made that the Indians got screwed?)



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You really missed the mark with that one, CRZ.

(edited by I Breastfeed John Madden on 2.6.10 1833)

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    Originally posted by I Breastfeed John Madden
    You really missed the mark with that one, CRZ.

    (edited by I Breastfeed John Madden on 2.6.10 1833)
Could be - I didn't watch it. I'm just saying "worst call in decades" MAY be a bit hyperbolic. Isn't the story with these things that they'd always trade away the accolades for the win? They still won.



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.36
    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by I Breastfeed John Madden
      You really missed the mark with that one, CRZ.

      (edited by I Breastfeed John Madden on 2.6.10 1833)
    Could be - I didn't watch it. I'm just saying "worst call in decades" MAY be a bit hyperbolic. Isn't the story with these things that they'd always trade away the accolades for the win? They still won.


Here you go, in fabulous "videotaping the tv" quality:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hskaICmUgY

Its not really hyperbolic in the world of baseball - theres only been 22 perfect games in the entire history of the game (granted, two of those have happened in the last month).



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.92
...and here it is on MLB.com (mlb.mlb.com).

"I just cost that kid a perfect game. I thought he beat the throw. I was convinced he beat the throw, until I saw the replay." - Jim Joyce (nbcsports.msnbc.com)
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.54
    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    Not bang/bang. 2 steps.


I think you meant, 'Not 2 steps, bang/bang.' Because it was absolutely bang/bang. The video freezes it with the runner's foot about six inches from the bag as the ball was in the pitcher's glove. It was close, but he was out and I can understand the umpire missing the call when he has to make a split-second decision.

Jim Joyce stood up and admitted his mistake and I think that's the best way he could have handled it. And Galarraga handled it well too - he never said a word to the umpire according to Joyce.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.13
Sometime soon Don Denkinger will buy Joyce a beer and say "I know how you feel man".

(edited by MUTigermask on 2.6.10 1926)
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"One of the absolute worst screwings in MLB history"?

Did the playoffs start early this year without my knowledge?



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The right thing to do would be for MLB to overrule the ump after the fact and give Galarraga the perfect game. Sure, the time for celebration is long past, but it's still history and if he earned it, he should have his place in the record books like any other pitcher that's earned it.

On another note, had Galarraga gotten it, that would have been three perfect games thrown in a 4-week span and two in the span of a single week. This is the kind of thing we may never see again in our lifetime. I'm completely stunned that something that's been done less than 25 times in over 100 years has suddenly been done three times in a month.



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I have absolutely no words to fully express what I am feeling at this moment, having just driven back from Comerica. No words. I'm surprised that coherent sentences are even forming right now.

'Worst screw job in MLB history' doesn't cover the depth of how badly I feel about what happened to Armando Galarraga. There had better be a reversal, a something, to give Armando his rightful perfect game back or Bud Selig will cement his legacy as the worst commissioner in baseball history. If this happened to the Red Sox or Yanks, not only would it be overturned but instant replay on base calls would be instated the next day.

This was just an utter disgrace, a collective gut-punch to the city of Detroit, and a highway robbery of what should have been the proudest moment of a young man's career.




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So are we ready to use replay to overturn more than home runs now? Because if not you have to live with these kind of mistakes.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.36
Is there any precedent for a reversal on a call like that? The only thing I can think of remotely close would be George Brett's 'Pine Tar Incident'.

The moment is gone now, no matter what though. Giving him the perfect game would be akin to when the Olympics disqualifies a gold medalist for roids and someone gets a medal fed-ex'd to him.

(edited by I Breastfeed John Madden on 2.6.10 2028)


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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.29
    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
    So are we ready to use replay to overturn more than home runs now? Because if not you have to live with these kind of mistakes.


I don't think replay is necessary in this case. It's not like the team lost the game on that call. I think it's a simple matter of overturning the call now and allowing Galarraga to have the perfect game. It should really be no different than rescinding a technical foul in the NBA.

I mean, it's not like Joyce hasn't already admitted he screwed up:


    "It was the biggest call of my career, and I kicked the [stuff] out of it," Joyce said, looking and sounding distraught as he paced in the umpires' locker room. "I just cost that kid a perfect game."

    "I thought he beat the throw. I was convinced he beat the throw, until I saw the replay," he said after the Tigers' 3-0 win.


Don't be stupid, Bud. Overrule that call.

(edited by It's False on 2.6.10 2035)

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    Originally posted by BoromirMark
    I have absolutely no words to fully express what I am feeling at this moment, having just driven back from Comerica. No words. I'm surprised that coherent sentences are even forming right now.

    'Worst screw job in MLB history' doesn't cover the depth of how badly I feel about what happened to Armando Galarraga. There had better be a reversal, a something, to give Armando his rightful perfect game back or Bud Selig will cement his legacy as the worst commissioner in baseball history. If this happened to the Red Sox or Yanks, not only would it be overturned but instant replay on base calls would be instated the next day.

    This was just an utter disgrace, a collective gut-punch to the city of Detroit, and a highway robbery of what should have been the proudest moment of a young man's career.


Oh, Good Lord! Haven't the Tigers, Red Wings and Pistons all won league championships in the past decade? (Well, the Tigers got to the World Series, anyway.)

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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.29
    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    Oh, Good Lord! Haven't the Tigers, Red Wings and Pistons all won league championships in the past decade? (Well, the Tigers got to the World Series, anyway.)


True, but with the exception of the Red Wings, Detroit's teams are in the toilet right now. Sure, the Tigers are making a run for first, but they're coming off one of the biggest collapses in MLB history. Detroit's not terrible, but they're not rolling in good fortune, either.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.47
Galarraga's reaction was absolutely priceless.

The *real* loser here, of course, is Joe West. He WISHES he could have had this attention. Would've trumped the two balks against Buehrle.

    Originally posted by It's False
    On another note, had Galarraga gotten it, that would have been three perfect games thrown in a 4-week span and two in the span of a single week. This is the kind of thing we may never see again in our lifetime. I'm completely stunned that something that's been done less than 25 times in over 100 years has suddenly been done three times in a month.

It's because of this that I'm thinking Bud Selig is secretly happy the perfect game was blown. But I'm no conspiracy theorist or anything.



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.70
Joe West's crew has been running a clown show with this Rays-Jays series in Toronto, so cry no tears for the Cowboy.

Wow, I just saw the replay and that play was a clear out. I feel bad for Galarraga, but even worse for Joyce. This is an umpire's worst nightmare, aside from blowing a call that decides a World Series.

Armando can join Ernie Shore, Harvey Haddix and Pedro Martinez in the "pretty much a perfect game" club.
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    Originally posted by It's False
      Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
      So are we ready to use replay to overturn more than home runs now? Because if not you have to live with these kind of mistakes.


    I don't think replay is necessary in this case. It's not like the team lost the game on that call. I think it's a simple matter of overturning the call now and allowing Galarraga to have the perfect game. It should really be no different than rescinding a technical foul in the NBA.

    I mean, it's not like Joyce hasn't already admitted he screwed up:


      "It was the biggest call of my career, and I kicked the [stuff] out of it," Joyce said, looking and sounding distraught as he paced in the umpires' locker room. "I just cost that kid a perfect game."

      "I thought he beat the throw. I was convinced he beat the throw, until I saw the replay," he said after the Tigers' 3-0 win.


    Don't be stupid, Bud. Overrule that call.

    (edited by It's False on 2.6.10 2035)


Not having any rooting interest either way, I'll play Devil's Advocate here:

Bud absolutely should NOT overrule this.

Yes, it's a blatant blown call (Even the BASERUNNER assumed he was out, going by his hands-on-helmet reaction after the call. But here's the thing, calls get blown. Yeah, this was obvious, yeah it sucks hard for Galarraga (but he gets a lot of credit for biting his tongue through the whole thing, pretty class for him.), Joyce probably won't ever work a playoff game again, and might be told by someone in the league office that this being his final season wouldn't be the worst thing.

It's a judgment call though- replay does not exist in the baseball world, at least for this type of call, and even if it is suddenly introduced effective tomorrow, you don't go back after the fact. You can never argue "special circumstances", because what happens if the next clear blown call DECIDES a game? Either the floodgates are open and every fair/foul, out/safe, trap/catch call is reviewable, or we just have to live with what happens.



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