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Unitarian group denied tax status

I'd heard about this joker of a comptroller before, when Ethical Humanists religious tax status. I assumed she wouldn't be around much longer after that, and definitely wouldn't be acting as stupid, but here we are.

My mom's going to Dallas tomorrow for a big Unitarian conference. Sounds like it'll be fun.



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Better question: why are any religious groups tax exempt?



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    Originally posted by Grimis
    Better question: why are any religious groups tax exempt?

*falls out of chair because he was going to say the exact same thing* Okay, Grimis is speaking for me. I'm going home now.

I think the reason though to be serious is that they are considered along the same lines as not-for-profit organizations and as such we've decided we don't want to tax those sorts of things. Personally I'd love to stick the Catholic Church for about 200 years of back taxes myself :)



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.88
    Originally posted by Grimis
    Better question: why are any religious groups tax exempt?


A better question than what?

Regardless, your question is irrelevant. They are tax exempt and will continue to be so for some time, and to deny Unitarian Universalists exemption is absolutely insane. If we are going to make these rules, we have to play by them.

Besides, since when did you start wanting people to pay more taxes?



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29
    Originally posted by eviljonhunt81
    Besides, since when did you start wanting people to pay more taxes?
I don't. I just was never a fan of tax-exempt groups period. It doesn't make any sense to say that certain groups get exempted for taxes. I would rather tax all groups and organizations at a lower flat tax.



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    Originally posted by eviljonhunt81
      Originally posted by Grimis
      Better question: why are any religious groups tax exempt?


    A better question than what?

    Regardless, your question is irrelevant. They are tax exempt and will continue to be so for some time, and to deny Unitarian Universalists exemption is absolutely insane. If we are going to make these rules, we have to play by them.

    Besides, since when did you start wanting people to pay more taxes?


Because God knows (no pun intended) that saying "Because that's just the way it is...so THERE" is a good counter for anything.

Every year they hit up people for dues and donations and contributions AND they also don't have to report their earnings? Seriously, I'm in the wrong racket.

Personally I think they shouldn't have any tax exemptions right across the board. Ever read Charles Templeton's "Farewell To God"? It's a business, don't kid yourself for one second...which is probably why I've ended up an agnostic.



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Well, I was thinking about how most religious institutions are based on contributions. And then I was thinking about how some contributions and donations are tax-deductable. So there went my whole initial "double taxation" train of thought (unless you count people who don't itemize and yet donate more than their general deduction). So I guess once certain things are tax-exempt, they stay that way.

Wasn't there a similar thing years ago about Scientology trying to be classified as a religion to become tax-exempt?

spf2119: Bad idea. Other than the singling-out of a specific relgion, "the Catholic Church" (even though I believe each parish is individually incorporated for legal reasons), has been tax-exempt for ages and you can't expect "back taxes" from someone/thing who hasn't had to pay taxes anyways. Even though I know you said it jokingly (as I gathered from your use of a smiley), I figured I'd go on a mini-tangent.



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    Originally posted by Blanket Jackson
    Because God knows (no pun intended) that saying "Because that's just the way it is...so THERE" is a good counter for anything.


Again, my point is missed. It is entirely unreasonable to expect America to start taxing religions anytime soon, so why even enter the idea in debate? Dealing in realms too theoretical doesn't lead to anything.



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    Originally posted by eviljonhunt81
      Originally posted by Blanket Jackson
      Because God knows (no pun intended) that saying "Because that's just the way it is...so THERE" is a good counter for anything.


    Again, my point is missed. It is entirely unreasonable to expect America to start taxing religions anytime soon, so why even enter the idea in debate? Dealing in realms too theoretical doesn't lead to anything.


Well, I don't know what the criteria is on recognizing an official religion, but this does a pretty good job of discussing it all.

A bit lengthy, but not too shabby.



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    Originally posted by Grimis
      Originally posted by eviljonhunt81
      Besides, since when did you start wanting people to pay more taxes?
    I don't. I just was never a fan of tax-exempt groups period. It doesn't make any sense to say that certain groups get exempted for taxes. I would rather tax all groups and organizations at a lower flat tax.


I'd love to see the politician who tried to end tax exemption status for churches, charities and schools.

And, I would argue that there is a certain amount of merit to granting tax exempt status to groups like charities, schools and even religious groups. Besides, who would be better at efficiently redistributing that money and making sure it got to the people who truly need it--private charities or the government? And, that doesn't even address the education issue. I'd be shocked if Grimis was an opponent of vouchers. So, why would you be in favor of siphoning money away from private schools in the form of higher taxes?
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