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RevEvil
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#21 Posted on

    Originally posted by pieman
    See, my Canadian friends, this is why sports where there is judging SUCK! Sports where you shoot the puck into a net or put a ball into a basket leave no room for subjectivity. Judging HOW something is done makes for so much room for error. And for what it's worth, Brew is right about the robbery of medals.


This isn't necessarily true. Referees could always make a few bad calls. The Patriots-Raiders football game was a recent example.
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#22 Posted on
    Originally posted by RevEvil

      Originally posted by pieman
      See, my Canadian friends, this is why sports where there is judging SUCK! Sports where you shoot the puck into a net or put a ball into a basket leave no room for subjectivity. Judging HOW something is done makes for so much room for error. And for what it's worth, Brew is right about the robbery of medals.


    This isn't necessarily true. Referees could always make a few bad calls. The Patriots-Raiders football game was a recent example.



Normally I don't quash first time posters, but... PLEASE let this one die

//edit - not the poster - the Raiders call. Sheesh, you're even from San Diego - where is your Chargers loyalty?

(edited by Guru Zim on 13.2.02 2242)
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#23 Posted on
People always complain that curling is a sport. Well, maybe, maybe not, depending on your views of billiards as a sport or not. At least, when all is said and done, you know who the winner is. There is a tangible goal that has to be reached in order for there to be a winner.

Ice skating, and all other judged events like it, are not sports, for the same reason that Broadway musicals are not sports. They are similar. Both are very difficult to do, and take a lot of practice. Both have an outside choreographer. And both are judged and rated, and awards are given as a result of the judges opinions.

There is only one way for events like ice skating to be judged and be allowed to continue the Olympics. All teams would have to do the same routine, and then it can be judged as to how each team does comparatively. They already have to do the same elements, yes, but the problem is that is not the only thing they are judged upon. Of course, the problem with my idea: no television ratings. But figure skating doesn't want to be a sport, it wants to keep the female viewers. In fact, IIRC, the actually skating of a figure part of your score doesn't even exist anymore.

Wow, I am surprised I actually wrote that much about figure skating. I feel so ashamed.....





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#24 Posted on
"There is only one way for events like ice skating to be judged and be allowed to continue the Olympics. All teams would have to do the same routine, and then it can be judged as to how each team does comparatively. "

Funny you should mention that because in the 2/13 Wall Street Journal there was a small article about the skating controversy. A sports agent that represents figure skaters was quoted saying that he saw the performances and gave the nod to the Russians because their routine was mch more difficult. He made it sound as if the Canadians' routine was pretty simple compared to the Russians.

The article also noted that the commentators should be faulted for making objective comments before the results were announced.

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#25 Posted on

    Originally posted by evilwaldo
    The article also noted that the commentators should be faulted for making objective comments before the results were announced.


Or subjective, even! ;-)

Can I let you in on a secret? I just can't get up ANY sense of moral outrage about this whole business. In fact, I'm going to go move it out of CRZ's World RIGHT NOW because I DON'T GIVE A CRAP.

Hey BrewGuy, who won the gold in pairs in 1998?



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
you can't fix these judged sports because the first group of performers get lower scores just in case any of the last group are better

if you give your first person a 6.0 that says they were flawless, and what if someone busts out a better, mindblowing run, all you can do is give them a 6.0 and it's a scratch...so you give them a 5.5 and if some one else was a little better, give em a 5.5 or 5.6 but they will ALWAYS under score the first few...and going first has always been the kiss of death, because you get low scores, and your competetion can adjust their routine if needed...


i can not see a way to fix a judged event unless the judges can re-score pervious runs...



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#27 Posted on
You could run all the programs, tape them, and then have the judges watch in secret booths. Also, each judge would watch a different team in a different order, so while one judge may underscore you cause they saw you first the other judges will have seen somebody else's program first and they got underscored

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Hey BrewGuy, who won the gold in pairs in 1998?

Oksana Kazakova & Artur Dmitriev, from Russia. And there were alligations of tampering in THAT competition as well - however, seeing as the Olympics were in Japan and not broadcast in prime time in North America, nobody really noticed except for Canadians. This time, EVERYBODY saw it. Yeah, I did have to look it up to be sure...point well taken. But that doesn't make it any less unjust.

The Olympics are supposed to be the the highest form of pure sport; No money, no contracts, no trades, no bullshit. And that's why this kind of stuff pisses me off. True, I don't know if I'd be making as much fuss if this happened to a non-Canadian team, but I DO know I still would've a) felt awful for those who should've won, and b) complained loudly about lack of integrity in judged events. Maybe I take this stuff too seriously, I dunno - I'll let y'all be the judge of that - but just letting it go isn't gonna help, either.

EDIT: Did I originally start this thread in 'CRZ World'? If so, sorry - I meant to put it here.

(edited by BrewGuy on 15.2.02 0009)
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There was an interesting article in Wednesday's Wall Street Journal. The article criticized Scott Hamilton for awarding medals before the results were posted. The article also had comments from an agent that represents figure skaters. He stated that the Russians program was much more difficult than the Canadians and that he thought the Russians deserved the gold over the Canadians.





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