I'm going to try to only hit the highlights--I know this isn't the place for detailed political stuff.
Originally posted by StaggerLee
Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon CNN and the big three networks lean to the right. There's absolutely no question about that.
Seriously? So every network leans right EXCEPT MSNBC? I guess we forgot Dan Rather pushing the forged Bush National Guard Papers. Or Koppel pissing all over the Iraq war pretty much from the start. But that's just two obvious examples.
Since neither of them is particularly active these days, I don't see the relevance. There's no question that Rather is on the liberal side in his views, but Koppel of course is a conservative who is close friends with Henry Kissinger.
They took "death panels" seriously.
Really? I believe it was more commentators on each of the networks analysis shows that pushed the death panels, while NBC and CBS went out of their way to point out that there was no such thing.
So you consider it bias to go "out of their way" to point out that a lie is a lie? I think they should have done a lot more to establish that. Or at least given a lot less attention to the lie.
As for Bill Ayers, if you think hosting a fund raiser at his house, have him ghost write one of Obama's books, working together on the school project that wasted millions of dollars and got about zero amount of improvements, "tenuous" then I don't know what to tell you.
This is the first I've ever heard of the idea that Ayers ghost wrote one of Obama's books. Apparently he made a joke to that effect once. It's absolutely preposterous. He hosted a fundraiser for Obama. And Ayers served on boards and such with a lot of people, including Republicans.
BTW, I googled William Hagee and didn't see anything about him, actually didn't see anything that suggested he even exists, so if you could point me to a source, I'd appreciate knowing more about it.
They called the '00 election for Bush because Bush's cousin (at Fox News) said so, painted Gore as obstructionist for wanting to count the votes, and ultimately reported the actual vote counts by pushing "Bush would have won if the count continued as it was going" while burying "Gore would have won if all the votes were counted".
Do you really think that there were DEMOCRATS who were watching FOX NEWS and decided that since FOX said the election was over, that they shouldn't go vote in their own states out west? REALLY?
Um...I didn't say anything of the kind. I said that the networks called the elections prematurely and that they painted Gore as obstructionist.
Lets not forget that by every single method they used in the recount, Bush had more votes in Florida than Gore did.
In order to forget it, it would have to be true. This actually proves my point: the media certainly made it seem that way, but in fact it was not true. "While the USA Today report focused on what would have happened had the Florida Supreme Court-ordered recount not been halted by the U.S. Supreme Court, the Herald pointed to one scenario under which Gore could have scored a narrow victory -- a fresh recount in all counties using the most generous standards." http://www.pbs.org/newshour/media/media_watch/jan-june01/recount_4-3.html
But of course if you think that Fox News "seems" to spin right, you're going to think that the major networks lean left.
And it's your assertion that MSNBC is the ONLY news organization that leans left? All the other ones are "right wing"?
I didn't address ALL other news organizations. Just four, actually.
Originally posted by StaggerLeeAs for Bill Ayers, if you think hosting a fund raiser at his house, have him ghost write one of Obama's books, working together on the school project that wasted millions of dollars and got about zero amount of improvements, "tenuous" then I don't know what to tell you.
Was that before or after Ayers killed Vince Foster for the Clintons?
(Spoiler Alert: I'm thinking you wasted your money on that donation to Orly Taitz. 'Nuff said.)
At the same time, you can argue that any hardcore fan of the F13 series (such as me) is aware at how piss-poor the original films were. Even the makers of the original movie admit that they were literally just trying to rip off Halloween's formula.