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#61 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.85
    Originally posted by Leroy

    He's not the media voice of the left. That's Amy Goodman.




She can't be too much of one. I don't know who she is. I am sure I could google her and find out, but to me, the voice of the left is Olbermann, Maddow, most of CNN (especially the headline news shows) and elements of NBC, ABC and CBS. They all spin left, and of course, Fox doesn't spin left, so they at least seem to spin right. I kind of miss Alan Colmes in the evenings there, but fox still has him on (Red Eye, mostly, but he's also on the No Spin Zone. But certainly O'Reilly followed by Hannity followed by Gretta is no more conservative than Ed Schultz followed by Matthews followed by Olberman followed by Madow is liberal (except no one sees those shows, so how could anyone judge).

OK, after googling, I still barely know who Amy Goodman is.





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#62 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.03
    Originally posted by AWArulz
      Originally posted by Leroy

      He's not the media voice of the left. That's Amy Goodman.




    She can't be too much of one. I don't know who she is. I am sure I could google her and find out, but to me, the voice of the left is Olbermann, Maddow, most of CNN (especially the headline news shows) and elements of NBC, ABC and CBS. They all spin left, and of course, Fox doesn't spin left, so they at least seem to spin right.



CNN and the big three networks lean to the right. There's absolutely no question about that. They took "death panels" seriously. They gave tons of coverage not only to Jeremiah Wright (who had a very legitimate connection to Obama) but also to Bill Ayers (who had only a very tenuous connection) while ignoring people like William Hagee who had connections to McCain and had serious issues. They called the '00 election for Bush because Bush's cousin (at Fox News) said so, painted Gore as obstructionist for wanting to count the votes, and ultimately reported the actual vote counts by pushing "Bush would have won if the count continued as it was going" while burying "Gore would have won if all the votes were counted". They accepted Bush's justifications for invading Iraq at face value for years. They keep taking these ridiculous stories that the right cooks up--like the supposed corruption of ACORN, which had no basis in reality--and treating them as real stories. And on and on.

But of course if you think that Fox News "seems" to spin right, you're going to think that the major networks lean left.
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#63 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.85
Some of you have no doubt seen that Morning Joe Scarborough has also been suspended by MSNBC for the same offense as Olbermann



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#64 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.63
    Originally posted by AWArulz
    Some of you have no doubt seen that Morning Joe Scarborough has also been suspended by MSNBC for the same offense as Olbermann


http://www.newser.com/story/105782/morning-joe-suspended-over-political-contributions.html

I eagerly await Maddow's rant on his suspension.....
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#65 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.10
    Originally posted by AWArulz
    Some of you have no doubt seen that Morning Joe Scarborough has also been suspended by MSNBC for the same offense as Olbermann


That viewer must be devistated.
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#66 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.38


What rant? The focus of her on-air comment about the Olbermann suspension was pointing out that MSNBC has actual journalistic standards, unlike an organization like FOX 'News' Channel that contributes directly to conservative causes and features a prime-time show host who headlines Republican fundraisers. And Maddow said that Olbermann was wrong to break company policy, because a news organization should not appear to have a conflict-of-interest.

Try to get beyond the epistemic closure, eh?



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#67 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.63
Maddow bellyached all about Fox News, because it was an actual REAL reason for her to have an opportunity to.

Throwing in "keith was wrong" doesn't make it any less of a rant.

Bottom line is that if any of the 'hosts' on MSNBC had half the audience that even the lowest ranked Fox host, they'd be out at fundraisers too, but since the Americans who are of the Democrat persuasion are mostly unaware of who they are, they don't get to get those appearance fees added to their bank account.
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#68 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.38
Again, bringing up an entirely different point (ratings) is not a counterargument, it's a misdirection ploy.

When Olbermann, Maddow, O'Donnell, or even Scarborough actually do headline a fundraiser, please feel free to point out the hypocrisy you're assuming on the MSNBC gang, I suppose because they're on "the other side", and therefore "evil".



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#69 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.03
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Maddow bellyached all about Fox News, because it was an actual REAL reason for her to have an opportunity to.

    Throwing in "keith was wrong" doesn't make it any less of a rant.

    Bottom line is that if any of the 'hosts' on MSNBC had half the audience that even the lowest ranked Fox host, they'd be out at fundraisers too, but since the Americans who are of the Democrat persuasion are mostly unaware of who they are, they don't get to get those appearance fees added to their bank account.


What, precisely, makes it a rant?

And "Democrat" is not an adjective. We're of the Democratic persuasion.
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#70 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.26
    Originally posted by TheOldMan
    When Olbermann, Maddow, O'Donnell, or even Scarborough actually do headline a fundraiser, please feel free to point out the hypocrisy you're assuming on the MSNBC gang, I suppose because they're on "the other side", and therefore "evil".

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    Saturday, August 29th, 2009

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#71 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.00
Who the hell is Ed Schulz?

I dunno about that one. It looks like he started at MSNBC in 4/09 and did this dinner on 9/9. It may have been a pre-existing committment.

http://www.bigeddieradio.com/about/

I had to do a web search to even find out who the guy was. This is not exactly as compelling as say finding a fund raiser that Olbermann hosted.




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#72 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.55
Is there anything that can be done to make all of you arguing about television networks realize (maybe "acknowledge" is a better word) that they all suck ass and they all have agendas they don't disclose and blah blah blah and then maybe this stupid argument can be put to rest?

Do any of you REALLY think that MSNBC/Fox is a bastion of journalistic integrity while Fox/MSNBC is a shameless bunch of shills? If you do, then I'm misjudging the situation. But I don't know how anyone can actually believe that.

Are you actually interested in a conclusion to this debate? Because if so, I don't think you're going to get one. And if not, then ... why?

(edited by TheBucsFan on 21.11.10 0313)

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#73 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.26
    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    Who the hell is Ed Schulz?


I think you just proved Stagger Lee's point.

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#74 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.28
    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    Who the hell is Ed Schulz?



The liberal version of Rush Limbaugh; minus the sucess and ratings; as far as I can tell.

(edited by PaulKTF on 21.11.10 0501)
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#75 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.03
    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    Is there anything that can be done to make all of you arguing about television networks realize (maybe "acknowledge" is a better word) that they all suck ass and they all have agendas they don't disclose and blah blah blah and then maybe this stupid argument can be put to rest?

    Do any of you REALLY think that MSNBC/Fox is a bastion of journalistic integrity while Fox/MSNBC is a shameless bunch of shills? If you do, then I'm misjudging the situation. But I don't know how anyone can actually believe that.
    (edited by TheBucsFan on 21.11.10 0313)


I believe that MSNBC is a source of partisan commentary that will choose those stories that highlight its agenda, along with news coverage that is mostly fair but does tilt somewhat leftward. I believe that Fox is a source of partisan commentary that is frequently dishonest, pushing stories with little or no basis in fact, along with news coverage that is highly distorted to advance the channel's agenda.

In short, I don't think MSNBC is perfect, or even close, but I think it's far better than Fox News. I think it's way too convenient to just treat them as doing the same thing.
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#76 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.63
    Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon

    CNN and the big three networks lean to the right. There's absolutely no question about that.

Seriously? So every network leans right EXCEPT MSNBC? I guess we forgot Dan Rather pushing the forged Bush National Guard Papers. Or Koppel pissing all over the Iraq war pretty much from the start. But that's just two obvious examples.


    They took "death panels" seriously.

Really? I believe it was more commentators on each of the networks analysis shows that pushed the death panels, while NBC and CBS went out of their way to point out that there was no such thing.
(and, do we need to go into the NBC/GE link to the Obama administration and the health care reform?



    They gave tons of coverage not only to Jeremiah Wright (who had a very legitimate connection to Obama) but also to Bill Ayers (who had only a very tenuous connection) while ignoring people like William Hagee who had connections to McCain and had serious issues.

Did they REALLY push the Jeremiah story, or did they report it and then nearly break their necks pointing out that Obama had disassociated himself with Wright, and never digging into how somebody could attend a person's church for 20 years, yet claim to have never heard any of the rhetoric Wright spewed each Sunday.

As for Bill Ayers, if you think hosting a fund raiser at his house, have him ghost write one of Obama's books, working together on the school project that wasted millions of dollars and got about zero amount of improvements, "tenuous" then I don't know what to tell you.
BTW, I googled William Hagee and didn't see anything about him, actually didn't see anything that suggested he even exists, so if you could point me to a source, I'd appreciate knowing more about it.



    They called the '00 election for Bush because Bush's cousin (at Fox News) said so, painted Gore as obstructionist for wanting to count the votes, and ultimately reported the actual vote counts by pushing "Bush would have won if the count continued as it was going" while burying "Gore would have won if all the votes were counted".


Do you really think that there were DEMOCRATS who were watching FOX NEWS and decided that since FOX said the election was over, that they shouldn't go vote in their own states out west? REALLY? People ignored voting in state races, senate races, etc because Fox told them that Bush won the election?

Lets not forget that by every single method they used in the recount, Bush had more votes in Florida than Gore did. Lets not forget that Gore couldn't win his own state, which would have given him the election, didn't win Arkansas, (clinton's home state) which would have given him the election. Lets forgot all of those FACTS, and blame it on a single television network, working basically against six other networks that didn't call it for Bush.

Or, lets not forget that it was the Florida Sect of State that certified the results, NOT Fox News, NOT the Governor, the Secretary of State. And then, lets also remember all the lawsuits the Democrats filed, all showed NO way possible for Gore to have won, and then the Supreme Court refused to hear it, despite Democratic objections, because the Florida Constitution's requirements for certifying an election had already been met. So, blaming it on Fox News when all of these other FACTS are known and documented, is disingenuous.


    They accepted Bush's justifications for invading Iraq at face value for years.

Its not the job of the major news organizations to vet every story the white house puts out. If it were, there should have been much MUCH more made of the health care reform bill, and how there's so much NOT involved with health care in it.


    They keep taking these ridiculous stories that the right cooks up--like the supposed corruption of ACORN, which had no basis in reality--and treating them as real stories. And on and on.

You mean like the people working for Acorn who plead guilty on voter fraud charges?
http://www.kmbc.com/politics/10214492/detail.html
Or the directors embezzling a million dollars?
Or how the employees and volunteers were routinely instructed on not talking to the FBI, that anybody who opposed any of the Acorn actions/policies were "right wing" and to be avoided?
How they took names from the phone book and instructed people to get voter registration cards with them?
http://www.judicialwatch.org/files/documents/2010/FBI-acorn-06012010-excerpt-8.pdf
How they knew they were breaking the law, but pushed the policies anyway?
http://www.judicialwatch.org/files/documents/2010/FBI-acorn-06012010-excerpt-7.pdf
How they were working directly for the Democratic party?
http://www.judicialwatch.org/files/documents/2010/FBI-acorn-06012010-excerpt-5.pdf

So, is the FBI part of a right wing conspiracy to make Acorn look bad?
http://www.judicialwatch.org/story/2010/mar/fbi-acorn-documents
Read the documents for yourself and point out how the "supposed" corruption is actually the PROVEN corruption.

Funny, when all this was going down, the ONLY place I recall seeing it/hearing it was from Fox, and NOT the big three or CNN.



    But of course if you think that Fox News "seems" to spin right, you're going to think that the major networks lean left.

And it's your assertion that MSNBC is the ONLY news organization that leans left? All the other ones are "right wing"?
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee

    BTW, I googled William Hagee and didn't see anything about him, actually didn't see anything that suggested he even exists, so if you could point me to a source, I'd appreciate knowing more about it.



He meant Pastor John Hagee

Hagee is from the serious christian dispensational view that Israel is vitally important to God's plan and like lots of fundamentalist protestants (see: the name PROTESTant) is negative towards the Catholic Church. In 2008...

    Originally posted by The Huffington post
    Hagee, leader of a San Antonio megachurch, has referred to the Roman Catholic Church as "the great whore" and called it a "false cult system" and "the apostate church" — "apostate" means someone who has forsaken his religion.


Hagee was condemned by Mccain, but he accepted his endorsement

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/29/john-hagees-mccain-endors_n_89189.html





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#78 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.21
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Or Koppel pissing all over the Iraq war pretty much from the start.


Yeah, by basically not covering it. His big "controversy" was wanting to display the names of those KIA at the end of Nightline. Commie!

    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Its not the job of the major news organizations to vet every story the white house puts out.


That's PRECISELY the job of the major news organizations, and, for the most part, the entire premise on which the first amendment is based. AND also why the press are afforded certain protections under the law. AND also why some journalists are willing to go to jail when those protection fail.

It's really hard to take you seriously when you have such a fundamental misunderstanding of the role of journalism.
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#79 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.63
The Nightly News on any of the three networks, are there to relay the news. They have other programs that are there to investigate (60 minutes, Dateline, etc) stories in greater detail.
Ted Koppel's been very vocal about how the wars were run, the necessity of the wars, and how the war on terror had been going on since the Marine Barracks in Beruit.

The "freedom of the press" in the first amendment has nothing to do with allowing journalists to investigate stories, it protects their ability to write about it and publish the stories.

And again, if you're going to go with the "major three are all right leaning" please explain the entire 2008 campaign where they were worshiping every word of Hillary first, then Obama when he gained ground.
Explain the video of the reporters squealing on Obama's plane about talking about how sexy he was.
Chris Matthews saying he gets a tingle up his leg, or whatever the quote is, whenever he sees Obama speak.
Or, David Gregory this weekend on Meet The Press asking if the GOP was going to make the USA look bad when they block Obama's agenda.
Everybody is worried about what the GOP is doing, and not a lot about what the Democrats are doing.
I don't recall, from the start of it, any in depth reporting on the Charlie Rangel ethics charges, but I sure remember them going into great detail talking about how Joe Wilson was basically Satan for saying YOU LIE, and covering that like it was an actual scandal.
Or talking about how Alito mouthed NOT TRUE when Obama was talking about the SCOTUS decision regarding campaign finances, which I disagreed with as well, but the big three, CNN, PBS, and of course MSNBC spent a nice amount of time talking about how it was disrespectful of Obama to mouth the words, never once recalling when the Democrats loudly and proudly booed George Bush a few years in a row during the State of the Union Address.

There are a TON of examples of how "journalistic integrity" is the most rare of things in our nations media.

And, I don't agree with FOX pimping GOP candidates either.

My entire point was, Maddow and Olberman cried like babies about the big bad fox news, and what they did, when the matter at hand was their own networks policies, and how Oblerman broke them. If they're such upstanding journalists, Maddow should have dug deep and said more of how Olberman broke their own rules, and explained it. OR, not say ANYTHING if you aren't going to be honest about it.

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#80 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.21
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    And again, if you're going to go with the "major three are all right leaning" please explain the entire 2008 campaign where they were worshiping every word of Hillary first, then Obama when he gained ground.



Do you understand just how entirely subjective that is? I can't explain something that didn't happen. Frankly, given your talent for hyperbole, I think you would have found ANY coverage of ANY Democratic candidate evidence of over-the-top liberal bias.

I didn't say that "all three major networks lean right" - that was Peter's claim, and I disagree with him. The examples he uses are examples of shoddy journalism more than proof of ideology. The fact that Fox engages in THIS VERY TYPE of shoddy journalism ad nauseum is precisely the reason they get criticized. I know that there's no way to convince you of that, but your outraged examples over "apples to oranges" comparison certainly doesn't convince me that your applying a fair and balanced (to coin a phrase) critique. Sorry, but comparing the coverage of Wilson and Rangle is utterly meaningless.


    The "freedom of the press" in the first amendment has nothing to do with allowing journalists to investigate stories, it protects their ability to write about it and publish the stories.


Those aren't mutually exclusive.
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