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Leroy
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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.19
    Originally posted by Zeruel
    From what I have read and heard, it was never disclosed on the network that the source of funds for the Mosque came from an owner of Fox News' parent company.

    That is probably one of the small reasons that people dislike Fox News.



And a large reason - Fox Network's $1 million contribution to the Republican Governors Association.
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#22 Posted on
I'm surprised he's back at all, much less so soon. I still don't think MSNBC is long for this world.
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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.39
Prepare to be disappointed- it's likely CNN will be gone long before MSNBC.

    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Why is Fox news when mentioned? Two separate companies with two sets of rules.


That's the point, Fox NEWS claims to be a fair & balanced news channel when they're clearly not.



Shut up, Josh!
Reverend J Shaft
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.29
    Originally posted by Moss
      Originally posted by StaggerLee
      Why is Fox news when mentioned? Two separate companies with two sets of rules.


    That's the point, Fox NEWS claims to be a fair & balanced news channel when they're clearly not.


And MSNBC must get nosebleeds from their high horse. Unfortunately, Maddow's big mouth shows MSNBC is far from a "news" organization, either. As long as you all drag Fox into every issue that DOESN'T EVEN INVOLVE THEM, I'll be here to point out what a bunch hypocrites the other side is.
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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.00
So would Keith knowingly violating his contract make him the WORST PERSON IN THE WORLD?
Peter The Hegemon
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.98
    Originally posted by Reverend J Shaft
      Originally posted by Moss

        That's the point, Fox NEWS claims to be a fair & balanced news channel when they're clearly not.


      And MSNBC must get nosebleeds from their high horse. Unfortunately, Maddow's big mouth shows MSNBC is far from a "news" organization, either. As long as you all drag Fox into every issue that DOESN'T EVEN INVOLVE THEM, I'll be here to point out what a bunch hypocrites the other side is.


    Hypocrites? There's no connection. The knock on Fox isn't that it takes potshots at MSNBC (though it sometimes does); the knock is that it promotes "news stories" that are completely untrue (e.g. "death panels", ACORN helping a pimp). Rachel Maddow is a commentator and makes no pretense otherwise. So, yes, she's promoting her own network in that segment. But that's not at all comparable to what Fox News does.
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.00
MSNBC has it's commentaors doing election night coverage. At least Fox has their news guys doing the election night coverage and doesn't blur the line between news person and commentator.
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.01
Honestly, all three networks are laughable and any pretense to make it seem like they have any sort of journalistic integrity is a joke.

All the "policies" in the world aren't going to change it, either.
Zeruel
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.03
    Originally posted by PaulKTF
    MSNBC has it's commentaors doing election night coverage. At least Fox has their news guys doing the election night coverage and doesn't blur the line between news person and commentator.


That right there needs to stop. The hard news guys should report the news, the commentators need to sit back and make their comments when it is the right time.

Election night/results coverage isn't that right time. They can do their spinning the next night on their own shows

(edited by Zeruel on 9.11.10 1602)

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Reverend J Shaft
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.29
    Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
    Hypocrites? There's no connection. The knock on Fox isn't that it takes potshots at MSNBC (though it sometimes does); the knock is that it promotes "news stories" that are completely untrue (e.g. "death panels", ACORN helping a pimp). Rachel Maddow is a commentator and makes no pretense otherwise. So, yes, she's promoting her own network in that segment. But that's not at all comparable to what Fox News does.


Did you even watch the video? This whole thing got started when MSNBC made the decision to suspend Olbermann. Maddow defended both parties in the situation BY ATTACKING FOX INSTEAD, saying "hosts on FOX raise money on the air for Republican candidates. They endorse them explicitly...They run as a political operation. We`re not." Of course, this is followed by about 5 minutes of MSNBC's Democrat guests soliciting contributions from EVERYWHERE. (Which is hilarious, since a good 1/3 of them were from Grayson, who got absolutely smoked.)

Yes, that is called hypocrisy. Fox never said it doesn't allow on-air employees to donate to political campaigns. However, Maddow interpretation that that distinction makes them some sort of credible news outlet as compared to Fox is absurd. As for pushing "'news stories' that are completely untrue", PM me and I'll give you an encyclopedia of MSNBC's mockery of truth-telling.
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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.07
Maddow is as big of a lefty shill hack as O'Reily is a righty shill hack. She's one of the (many) reasons MSNBC's ratings are so low.
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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by Zeruel
      Originally posted by Reverend J Shaft
        Originally posted by Big Bad
        MSNBC has rules because they're an actual news organization, whereas Fox is a joke.


      If the latter is true, the former is laughably false. Laughably. As in, I'm laughing. And it's false.


    For weeks, Fox News was telling their viewers that they had to track the money for the NYC Mosque. It's "dirty Muslim money." When it turned out to be the 2nd largest shareholder of News Corps (owner of Fox News), Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, Fox News quietly stopped caring about the money trail.

    As it turns out, he had been a guest on the network and praised over and over again for his philanthropy. Suddendly, it was no longer "dirty Muslim money" because of the Prince.

    From what I have read and heard, it was never disclosed on the network that the source of funds for the Mosque came from an owner of Fox News' parent company.

    That is probably one of the small reasons that people dislike Fox News.



Just because one doesn't like one, doesn't mean they have to like the other. For Example : Sean Hannity annoys me almost as much as Olbermann does.

I feel like that sentiment has been lost in today's political climate.

(edited by Kei Posiskunk on 9.11.10 1626)





My username is kind of inaccurate, now...
wmatistic
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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
    Originally posted by PaulKTF
    MSNBC has it's commentaors doing election night coverage. At least Fox has their news guys doing the election night coverage and doesn't blur the line between news person and commentator.


I'd say it's a stretch to call anyone at Fox News(or MSNBC really at this point) a "news guy".
PaulKTF
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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.07
    Originally posted by wmatistic
      Originally posted by PaulKTF
      MSNBC has it's commentaors doing election night coverage. At least Fox has their news guys doing the election night coverage and doesn't blur the line between news person and commentator.


    I'd say it's a stretch to call anyone at Fox News(or MSNBC really at this point) a "news guy".



FOX has people who do straight-forward (well, straight-forward by FOX standards...) news.
Peter The Hegemon
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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.98
    Originally posted by Reverend J Shaft
      Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
      Hypocrites? There's no connection. The knock on Fox isn't that it takes potshots at MSNBC (though it sometimes does); the knock is that it promotes "news stories" that are completely untrue (e.g. "death panels", ACORN helping a pimp). Rachel Maddow is a commentator and makes no pretense otherwise. So, yes, she's promoting her own network in that segment. But that's not at all comparable to what Fox News does.


    Did you even watch the video? This whole thing got started when MSNBC made the decision to suspend Olbermann. Maddow defended both parties in the situation BY ATTACKING FOX INSTEAD, saying "hosts on FOX raise money on the air for Republican candidates. They endorse them explicitly...They run as a political operation. We`re not." Of course, this is followed by about 5 minutes of MSNBC's Democrat guests soliciting contributions from EVERYWHERE. (Which is hilarious, since a good 1/3 of them were from Grayson, who got absolutely smoked.)


Guests always solicit contributions. The point was that on Fox, the hosts join in.

And "Democrat" is not an adjective. That's an old Joe McCarthy trick.

    Originally posted by Reverend J Shaft
    Yes, that is called hypocrisy. Fox never said it doesn't allow on-air employees to donate to political campaigns. However, Maddow interpretation that that distinction makes them some sort of credible news outlet as compared to Fox is absurd. As for pushing "'news stories' that are completely untrue", PM me and I'll give you an encyclopedia of MSNBC's mockery of truth-telling.



Um...not sure why you can't just go ahead and PM me, but sure.
Reverend J Shaft
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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.29
    Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
    Guests always solicit contributions. The point was that on Fox, the hosts join in.


No, the point was that MSNBC (according to Maddow) believes it is a "news" operation rather than a "political" operation, which is patently false (as could be argued about Fox as well). The fact that MSNBC prohibits its hosts for making political contributions does not qualify it as a "news" outlet, especially when the on-air talent out themselves as liberals anyway.

    Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
    And "Democrat" is not an adjective. That's an old Joe McCarthy trick.


"Guests running as Democrats"? Does that appease your oh-so-genuine angst? Sheesh.
Peter The Hegemon
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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.98
    Originally posted by Reverend J Shaft
      Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
      Guests always solicit contributions. The point was that on Fox, the hosts join in.


    No, the point was that MSNBC (according to Maddow) believes it is a "news" operation rather than a "political" operation, which is patently false (as could be argued about Fox as well). The fact that MSNBC prohibits its hosts for making political contributions does not qualify it as a "news" outlet, especially when the on-air talent out themselves as liberals anyway.



The fact that they actually report facts and that their news shows don't take stuff from the commentators and trump it into pretend news stories qualify it as a news outlet. The fact that it has rules about political contributions isn't what makes it a news outlet; it's just an example.
Zeruel
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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.04
MSNBC isn't taking a rumor from an anonymous Indian source and reporting it as fact.

Fox News actually believes some anonymous person who claims that Obama's trip has 3000 people, 34 warships, and costs about $200 million a day. Beck reported it as fact on his radio show and then later the same day, he claims they are rumors he just heard from some where.

Also, MSNBC doesn't prohibits its hosts from making political contribution, they want the hosts to get permission first.





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TheOldMan
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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42
    Originally posted by Zeruel
    Fox News actually believes some anonymous person who claims that Obama's trip has 3000 people, 34 warships, and costs about $200 million a day. Beck reported it as fact on his radio show and then later the same day, he claims they are rumors he just heard from some where.


Was it someone from The University of I Don't Remember?



PaulKTF
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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.28
Anyone who thinks that either individual side is biased whille the other side is fair and balanced is being deluded by their ideology and/or the propaganda coming from their own side of the asile.

Both MSNBC and Fox regularly lie, spin, and distort the facts to fit their specific agendas.

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