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Since: 23.1.02
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So after having a discussion about what would happen if the price of gas climbed enough to equal minimum wage, I was wondering about what could or should be done to keep from reaching that stage.

Corajudo said in http://the-w.com/thread.php/id=26852 (this thread) that inflation probably isn't going to skyrocket like in the 70's. But I can't imagine people are going to be very happy if an hour's worth of work is directly equal to a gallon of gas.

So what are the solutions? Better fuel efficency, oil alternatives, and simply driving less are the first that come to mind. Is there anything else?



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I live 15 minutes away from work, so I walk pretty much every day unless I need my car. I fill up my tank about once a month, and average under 10,000 miles a year.

Incidentally, this more out of a personal hatred of driving than a consciously environmental lifestyle choice, but nonetheless...

And a little food for thought about our gas prices:

Gas prices around the world

I heard on NPR that the gas in Iraq was around 5 cents a gallon. Again, just food for thought....

(edited by Leroy on 22.8.05 1531)



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The only solution to this, is to take measures towards alternative fuels and begin implementing them now.

Point blank: If you're gonna have Hydrogen Cars as a solution, you cant have working gasoline stations.

Sounds extreme, but its the cold truth.

Unfortunately, Gas is making money right now- and nothing keeps a ball rolling more than money.

EDIT: Sorry, it has come to my attention that gas has ALWAYS made money, Thank You.

(edited by WhoTookMyHonor? on 22.8.05 1547)



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How about we don't give people tax breaks to buy SUVs and Hummers?



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Better public transportation. More buses, trains, subways, etc.



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See also: jacked-up fuel efficiency requirements, especially for SUV's and their ilk. Although they probably might be going downhill because of gas prices.



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Since: 3.1.02
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.97
    Originally posted by LionJeetSingh
    Better public transportation. More buses, trains, subways, etc.


Calgary is a prototypical sprawling post-modern city. The city became huge and sprawling as a result of the 1970s & 1990s oil booms...and the result is a city that has enough infastructure money to either (barely) maintain the roads that are there...or maintain (and maybe expand) the public transit system. As long as the city and province are raking in oil money via taxation & whatnot, there's no reason for them to bite the hand that feeds them and work towards post-oil modes of transportation infastructure. Nothing's gonna really happen in Calgary until we're practically out of oil and panic mode sets in. Heck, half the of the city's aldermen have ADMITTED THIS. It's gonna get bad.



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.23
    Originally posted by Leroy
    Gas prices around the world

    I heard on NPR that the gas in New Texas was around 5 cents a gallon. Again, just food for thought....

    (edited by Leroy on 22.8.05 1531)


Joke...but really, I thought Bush and Blair had already sorted any potential oil problems for us.

On a serious note, petrol in the UK is approaching 0.95 a litre, which equates to...plenty a gallon (I hate maths).
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In the short term things like skipping drive-thru windows, don't let your car run if you are parked for more than a minute, combine errands into one trip. Also since petroleum fuels generate electricty do everything you can to be efficient.

Long-term,as stated elsewhere, develop alternative energy sources.



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Here's a good list of ways to improve your fuel efficiency, by the way:

http://www.worldwise.com/automobiles.html



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The Pat Robertson: Assassinate the President of Venezuela option is always available. If the President of Venezuela Chavez takes the words of a crackpot like Robertson (when he went on TV a few weeks ago and asked people to pray for a Supreme Court Justice to die, he crossed the line between eccentric and crackpot) seriously, he could fuck the U.S. economy by halting oil to the U.S. Lose 15% of the daily flow, and watch the economy go in the shitter. Thus, first solution: Silence Pat Robertson. When the religious fringe starts to hurt the economy, it might be time for the fiscal conservatives to start looking for new allies.
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.92
    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    when he went on TV a few weeks ago and asked people to pray for a Supreme Court Justice to die, he crossed the line between eccentric and crackpot


He just now crossed that line? I thought that actually happened a long, long time ago. His thoughts on SCOTUS Justices unsurprising since he thinks an activist judiciary is a bigger threat to the US than terrorism.

(edited by BigSteve on 23.8.05 1527)

(edited by BigSteve on 23.8.05 1528)
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There's also products like this that improve your engine's efficiency, and thus you use less gasoline. Many storebought options for this, too.




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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    The Pat Robertson: Assassinate the President of Venezuela option is always available. If the President of Venezuela Chavez takes the words of a crackpot like Robertson (when he went on TV a few weeks ago and asked people to pray for a Supreme Court Justice to die, he crossed the line between eccentric and crackpot) seriously, he could fuck the U.S. economy by halting oil to the U.S. Lose 15% of the daily flow, and watch the economy go in the shitter. Thus, first solution: Silence Pat Robertson. When the religious fringe starts to hurt the economy, it might be time for the fiscal conservatives to start looking for new allies.


In the face of this idiocy, Chavez has responded by offering the American poor cheap oil.

Surely, the Bush administration wouldn't be so stubborn as to refuse this offer, right? Right?




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    Originally posted by The Thrill


    There's also products like this that improve your engine's efficiency, and thus you use less gasoline. Many storebought options for this, too.


Yea, that stuff is decent, though I wouldn't depend on it to solve your gas mileage issues. But it will help to the tune of a couple miles to the gallon. Just always make sure your car is kept tuned up, or no amount of additives will help.

Most cars now can also run small amounts of ethanol, though I dislike the way large factory farms are taking over the ethanol economy. Strip mining corn with large amounts of pesticides sort of defeats the purpose of using a cleaner burning fuel.

Plus ethanol isn't very efficient right now.



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If Hurricane Katrina doesn't weaken dramatically or miraculously deviate course, the oil problem will get devastatingly worse, with 25-30% of U.S. oil production and imports going through the region that might get wiped out. Time to start stocking up for a very long winter. Even as a Republican, the words Depression '05 keep coming into my mind.

(edited by redsoxnation on 28.8.05 1257)
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Since: 23.1.02
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Just heard that one of the oil platforms was ripped from its moorings this morning.



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Since: 7.11.02
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    If Hurricane Katrina doesn't weaken dramatically or miraculously deviate course, the oil problem will get devastatingly worse, with 25-30% of U.S. oil production and imports going through the region that might get wiped out. Time to start stocking up for a very long winter. Even as a Republican, the words Depression '05 keep coming into my mind.

    (edited by redsoxnation on 28.8.05 1257)


The other thing about oil prices is that they had been rising as a result of rapidly rising demand. If you add in a supply shock, then we could really see some high prices and finally see them impact the economy. The potential sharp decrease in supply could change the current outlook and the issue considerably. Although oil does not drive the economy like it used to (pointed out in another thread), supply shocks were the drivers of the economic crises in the early 1970s and late 70s/early 80s. I'm not suggesting that another crisis is imminent, but the impact should certainly be more substantial than the current, estimated impact of around 0.4% of GDP.



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CNN (money.cnn.com) is saying that oil prices are already over $70 per barrel. And that was from before the storm had actually started doing anything.



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