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Hairy Caray

Since: 28.10.02
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Last semester I took a course with a very interesting old professor. It was "Conservation Biology", and the prof was a grumpy old man who helped write the DDT and Myrex cases back in the 70s, hated politicians (esp Republicans), and hated a lot of the "Tree-huggers" even more. What drove him nuts was the wackos that get the media attention spouting some dribble but never getting anything done. He had some interesting facts that I'd like to pass along.

What would you say is the cleanest form of oil drilling? Guess again...
It's offshore drilling. I don't know all the details, but apparently the techniques are outstanding, and there is nary a spill (it's bad for business).

Where is the most pollution caused in the oil business?
Transport. Especially oil rigs. Besides major catastrophes like the recent one near Spain, everyday processes like pumping bilge contribute by far the most pollution in the oil business.

So, the closer to home you can get the oil, the better off you are environmentally, making the Middle East about the last place you want to get your oil, even if it was a friendly, stable region.

However, the largest untapped oil reserve is located in *drum roll*..............the Gulf of Mexico just off the coast of Florida. Of course, our friends at Greenpeace and other such organizations have insured it goes untapped, because that would be the worst thing we could do for the environment, right?

This guy drove an electric car, and had a house that made a profit off of the utility company! By investing an extra $30,000 when he built his home, he had integrated solar power built into the roof (you can't even tell it's there...he showed us a pic). His house actually generated more power than he and his wife ever used, and by law the company had to pay for the energy put into the power grid. The house paid for itself within 5 years! Obviously, we don't all have 30k to put into a new home, but it would get cheaper if it was provided by companies other than small entrepreneurial ones. The point here is, there are desirable alternatives, and the free market can help them to the mainstream.

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Bizzle Izzle

Since: 26.6.02
From: New Jersey, USA

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Sounds like the mexican gulf site is a great place to drill. Is it within our national boundary? If we drill in ANWR and the Mexican gulf then maybe we can get off Arab oil and the leftists can stop accusing SUV owners of supporting terrorism.

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Since: 6.1.02
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I'm all for it as a short-term stop-gap solution while we develop ways to get off oil for good. But if we just tap that, then tap Alaska, without serious development of alternate energy sources, we'll just be complaining about how we're in the same situation in 50 years WITHOUT a nice little reserve in our own backyard.

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Lap cheong

Since: 1.8.02
From: Huntington Beach, CA

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    Originally posted by MoeGates
    I'm all for it as a short-term stop-gap solution while we develop ways to get off oil for good. But if we just tap that, then tap Alaska, without serious development of alternate energy sources, we'll just be complaining about how we're in the same situation in 50 years WITHOUT a nice little reserve in our own backyard.

Gotta say I agree. I think it is a clear fact that there is no way that we are going to be able to simply STOP using oil all at once. It is a gradual process to be sure. So I think drilling in Alaska is fine, but at the same time, on the environmental end, we need to see more realistic options being presented as alternatives to gas-guzzlers. I can only think of three really viable hybrid cars on the market that are feasible vehicles that would provide for the needs of people who use them- everything else even being suggested are all things like "All Electric!" Or "Solar Powered!" Cars that we either do not have the technology to practically make, or the cost would be so expensive that no one could afford them.
However- good news for eco-warriors- Ford and Dodge are joining Toyota in joining the Hybrid SUV market- I think this is the best chance for now of weaning America off of oil, and the fact that so many car companies are jumping on this bandwagon means that there is money to have.
And we all know that getting rich is the best incentive for change. See? It is not all doom and gloom for "the Earth" after all!

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Since: 11.7.02
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I agree with all of this. Oil is good, but so are other cleaner sources of energy.

In addition to Ford and Dodge, GM is also jumping into the hybrid market by 2006.

"Present day writers, especially of the Socilaist school of thought- base their various theories upon one common hypothesis: They divide mankind into two parts. People in general- with the exception of the writer himself- from the first group. The writer, all alone, forms the second and most impportant group. Surely ths is the weirderst and most conceited notion that ever entered a human brain!"
- Frederic Bastiat, The Law, 1850
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Saw the interview and I must say Stewart won and man Stewart was nailing him on some really good facts and questions. Cramer got exposed and if I learned anything is that people really should not listen to this freak.
- CajunMan, Jim Cramer vs Jon Stewart (2009)
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