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Zeruel
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I haven't seen or heard anything about the money they got as Big Ten co-champs, nor the money from the BCS win. If they get to keep all that cash, this seems like a huge slap on the wrist.

They lost their wins, so what? The teams they beat won't retroactively get wins for those games. The BCS standing won't be recalculated. Polls won't be re-voted and all the results stand. So, what is the point? To change the record books?

It seems to me that they should give all the money they earned last year and pay that exact amount as a fine, as well. That goes for any school that cheats like this. Vacating wins is a huge joke of a "penalty".

Hell, Tressel isn't even going to have to pay the $250,000 fine the university imposed and they're calling his resignation a retirement.


    the university also said Friday it is waiving a $250,000 fine imposed on Tressel and changing his resignation to a retirement. The move contradicts a comment university president Gordon Gee made last month when he said Tressel "will pay the fine."




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Yeah but this is just their attempt to name a punishment. If they honestly think the NCAA won't want scholarship reductions and a bowl ban, they're idiots. Maybe this was just their response to the first round of accusations, not the whole thing. Seriously in denial though.
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    Originally posted by Zeruel

    It seems to me that they should give all the money they earned last year and pay that exact amount as a fine, as well. That goes for any school that cheats like this. Vacating wins is a huge joke of a "penalty".


I agree that vacating wins is a joke of a penalty, and less effective than forfeiting upcoming games. But who gets the money if they vacate all financial gains as a punitive fine? Isn't last year's money already spent to fund the academic and athletic programs/scholarships/upkeep of facilities? Does the NCAA get that money, because, they don't deserve it either.

Last December, the NCAA allowed the 6 Buckeyes named in "Tattoogate" to play in the Sugar Bowl for the following reason: (bleacherreport.com)


    ...These include the acknowledgment the student-athletes did not receive adequate rules education during the time period the violations occurred, Lennon said.

    NCAA policy allows suspending withholding penalties for a championship or bowl game if it was reasonable at the time the student-athletes were not aware they were committing violations, along with considering the specific circumstances of each situation....



So, the NCAA said back in December, before it came out that Tressel knew about the violations and didn't report them, that the players weren't adequately informed that what they did was wrong. I'm not super with Google, but poking around the OSU Athletics website, I found this link regarding the compliance practices. It's a little outdated (from the Andy Geiger days), but still applicable.

Here's a portion: (osu.edu)

    The Compliance Office’s staff conducts a host of compliance education programs.

    Before the fall quarter begins, they make a compliance presentation to the Athletic Council. In the fall, they conduct orientation meetings with each team of student-athletes prior to the first 13 day of practice to educate students on rules. Late in the fall quarter, the Compliance staff conducts similar education meetings with Department of Athletics staff, including strength coaches, athletic trainers; and staff from [list of offices here]. All staff must sign a certification of compliance form each year. Each spring, Compliance staff conduct “check-out” meetings with each team of student-athletes. The Compliance staff also is a part of
    the program at the monthly coaches’ meetings conducted by the Associate Directors of Athletics. Coaches who cannot attend the meeting must view a videotape of it. Since January 2001, every new coach has received a copy of the publication “Coaches’ Guide to Compliance.”



Now, here's where it gets interesting. Does the NCAA admit it's got some egg on its face as part of this whole debacle?They now look like a bunch of fools for letting Pryor et al play in the Sugar Bowl for the reason they gave. IF this was Ohio State's compliance plan, and it had been submitted to and approved by the NCAA, then by allowing those six guys to play in the Sugar Bowl was pretty much saying the plan the NCAA said was appropriate was, in fact, not appropriate. So, isn't the NCAA at fault here?

Any punishment handed out to any university is just a band-aid where a tourniquet is needed. These are all symptomatic of some other major, major problem in college athletics, and it starts with the NCAA. So, in the past few years, there have been major violations at: USC, Ohio State, Florida State, UNC, West Virginia, possibly Oregon, Tennessee, and I know I'm forgetting some. This isn't a case of isolated issues at major universities. There's something fundamentally wrong with the NCAA and its ideas of compliance, violation, and punishment.

    Originally posted by Zeruel

    Hell, Tressel isn't even going to have to pay the $250,000 fine the university imposed and they're calling his resignation a retirement.


This I totally don't understand. In his letter (espn.go.com), he clearly says he's resigning. The trend with these things is the university gets hammered and the actual responsible parties suffer very little, monetarily (see also: Kiffin, Lane; Carroll, Pete; Sampson, Kelvin).
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Not that they will remain undefeated but I doubt if any K-State fan every imagined in their wildest dreams that this team would be 7-0 and 8th in the BCS standings. What they have done this year with the talent they have is pretty amazing.
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