HHH quote from an interview on WWE.com, regarding his 9th world title victory:
"I did not realize it until now. For me to be in a class, with the Nature Boy - who I've gone on record, time and time again, saying that I consider him to be the greatest professional wrestler of all-time - is a big honor. As far as Hogan goes - well, I could [not] care less about Hulk Hogan."
You heard it straight from HHH himself - he's in the same class as Flair and Hogan. I'm glad he cleared that up for me.
Well, since the class is, i guess, guys with the most world titles, he is in Flair's class, sort of. Seems like a harmless enough comment to me. Except that he says how much he respects Flair, and then acts like he doesn't knwo that he's slowly but surely closing in on 16 World Titles. Ok, Trips, whatever you say.
Originally posted by BigSteveSeems like a harmless enough comment to me.
I just don't think winning 9 world titles since late 1999 while sleeping with the head of storylines and being pushed almost by default while the two biggest stars kept leaving for injuries or movies is an achievement on par with winning 16 world titles since the early 80's. Yeah, obviously Flair had some influence during his heyday as well, but he's seemed a tad more worthy of all those titles than Hunter, and it meant a bit more since they weren't A.D.D.-booking every week back then.
Originally posted by TopTenPro5 years and 9 title reigns, not impressive in my eyes. I think Bob Backlaund or Bruno Sammartino are much more credible champions then HHH.
Just for fun (because I am too lazy to look myself), does anyone know how long HHH's title reigns have lasted?
Yeah, I think these are right:
First reign: 24 days Second reign: 49 days (7 weeks) Third reign: 118 days (17 weeks) Fourth reign: 35 days (5 weeks) Fifth reign (UT): 35 days (5 weeks) Sixth Reign (WHT): 76 days (11 weeks) Seventh Reign (WHT): over 9 months Eighth Reign (WHT): 91 days (13 weeks)
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Compare and contrast PPV title defenses and title changes.
TRIPLE H 1: [22 Days] Won from Mankind (RAW), lost to Vince McMahon (Smackdown) 2: [49 Days] Won vacant title against Mankind, Rock, Kane, Big Show & Bulldog (Unforgiven), retained against Steve Austin, lost to Big Show in 3-way with The Rock (Survivor Series) 3: [121 Days] Won from Big Show (RAW), retained against Cactus Jack thrice, The Rock, Big Show, lost to The Rock (Backlash). 4: [35 Days] Won from The Rock (Judgment Day), lost to The Rock in a tag match (King of the Ring). 5: [35 Days] Won from Chris Jericho (WrestleMania X8), lost to Hulk Hogan (Backlash) 6: [76 Days] Awarded (RAW), retained against RVD & Kane, lost to Shawn Michaels in Elimination Chamber (Survivor Series) 7: [280 Days] Won from Shawn Michaels (Armageddon), retained against Scott Steiner twice, Booker T, Kevin Nash thrice, Goldberg, Chris Jericho, Shawn Michaels & Randy Orton, lost to Goldberg (Unforgiven) 8: [91 Days] Won from Goldberg in 3-way with Kane (Armageddon), retained against Shawn Michaels, lost to Chris Benoit in 3-way with Shawn Michaels (WrestleMania XX)
THE ROCK 1: [44 Days] Won from Mankind in tournament final (Survivor Series), retained against Mankind (lost but kept title), lost to Mankind (RAW). 2: [2 Days] Won from Mankind (Royal Rumble), lost to Mankind (Halftime Heat). 3: [41 Days] Won from Mankind (RAW), lost to Steve Austin (WrestleMania XV) 4: [21 Days] Won from Triple H (Backlash), lost to Triple H (Judgment Day) 5: [119 Days] Won from Triple H (King of the Ring), retained against Chris Benoit twice, Kurt Angle, Triple H, Undertaker & Kane, lost to Kurt Angle (No Mercy) 6: [35 Days] Won from Kurt Angle (No Way Out), lost to Steve Austin (WrestleMania X7) 7: [35 Days] Won from Undertaker in 3-way (Vengeance), lost to Brock Lesnar (SummerSlam)
"STONE COLD" STEVE AUSTIN 1: [91 Days] Won from HBK (WrestleMania XIV), retained against Dude Love twice, lost to Kane (King of the Ring) 2: [90 Days] Won from Kane (RAW), retained against Undertaker, lost to Kane & Undertaker (Breakdown). 3: [56 Days] Won from The Rock (WrestleMania XV), retained against The Rock, lost to Undertaker (Over the Edge). 4: [55 Days] Won from Undertaker (RAW), retained against Undertaker, lost to Mankind in 3-way with HHH (SummerSlam) 5: [175 Days] Won from The Rock (WrestleMania X7), retained against Undertaker twice, Kane, Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit & Kurt Angle, lost to Kurt Angle (Unforgiven) 6: [62 Days] Won from Kurt Angle (RAW), retained against Rob Van Dam & Kurt Angle, lost to Chris Jericho (Vengeance)
It's length & quality of opponents that counts more than ever now. Ideally we should see a strong champion defend at LEAST once a month on PPV or free TV. Often Trips went longer without doing son. Contrast with Austin, Rock, Angle or Benoit, who all defended A LOT.
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Except for the fact that Rock, Mankind, and Austin wrestled in the days of Russo's shock TV, when titles changed hands like a game of hot potato. HHH wrestled then too, so it's a bit unfair or even biased to claim that he's not as good as some of the others. It's all relative. He's a pretty good champion these days, given the options. But that's a whole other story, as we'll never know if Booker T, Kane, or RVD would have even had successful reigns, had they beaten HHH. Then again, Benoit's win wouldn't have meant as much if the aforementioned contenders had also beaten HHH - making it seem not it's not a big accomplishment.
Eh. He idolizes Ric Flair, isn't crazy for Hulk Hogan, he truly believes he's one of the greatest wrestlers in the world, and he thinks that he is this generation's Ric Flair. It's not like we didn't already know all of this about Hunter.
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When evaluating a title reign, determining if a champ or contender is worthy of the belt depends largely on the competition at the time, and how entertaining/believable the feuds are.
It is not easy to compare HHH to Bruno Sammurtino or Bob Backlund since the environment is so different nowadays. Rock, Mankind, Autin, and even the Undertaker are such different characters, but each of them drew better crowds than HHH.
Hunter is a very good wrestler, and occasionally he's deserved his position. Some of his feuds are damned good, while others have been stale and repetitive.
Try to separate the backstage politics from what we see on the screen, and enjoy his performance.
Is he a believable enough character who tells a decent story? Of course.
Is he over with the crowd? Very.
Is he consistently the best overall performer? Not always, but he's among the best of today's offerings. He can bring it in the ring, he has a great look, and is solid on the mic when either motivated or given something better to work with than generic "I am the Game" vs. generic response "Game over"
Has he helped or hurt the rest of the roster? Of late, absolutely helped them. Since the start of his last reign, he helped raise Orton, Benoit, Kane, Shelton Benjamin (and almost Eugene) to beleivable contender status, not to mention his great run with HBK. Evolution has given us a reason to still want to watch Flair, and both Orton and Batista's growth is solidly helped by HHH.
I'll grant that Jericho, RVD and Booker T have not been helped by HHH, but they are still solidy over characters.
I don't really like the guy, I will watch him and give him credit where it is due.
So, the obvious question is who gets hurt next or helped next by HHH? Maybe Vince's big shocker announcement will be that HHH gets traded for JBL?
I can not believe the ridiculousness that has been people mulling over the accuracy of young Trips' statement.
Does he have the right to compare himself to Flair?
Are his title reigns as impressive?
Did he really not know he was about to go joint third on the all time list?
For the record here are some other QUOTEZ!! from the wwe.com article
"Me being on the same page as Ric Flair shows you how great Evolution is. You’ve got a 16-time World Champion, you’ve got a 9-time World Champion, and you’ve got the most destructive force this business has ever seen – Batista"
"Everybody is a potential threat, but the way I see it, with the Nature Boy and Batista by my side, nobody stands a chance."
"They can try, but the bottom line is, Evolution is stronger now than ever, and we will not be denied."
"What Randy needs to do now, is to go on TV tomorrow night, and humble himself before me. He needs to accept the fact that I’m better than he is. He needs to bow down before me, and say ‘Triple H, you’re the man, I was wrong, I never should have spit in your face."
May I be so bold as to suggest that there's just the ittsiest little chance that the interview was done IN CHARACTER and that a touch of arrogance might possibly be expected?
SERIOUSLY. This thread has been ridiculous until the last post. Get a grip people. It's fine to complain about HHH once instigated to do so by actual facts, not by an 'in character' article on wwe.com.
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"Jericho tries for the Walls of Jericho early on, but it is blocked by mysterious rays from Shawn Michaels while a message on the Titantron says, 'This move is mine now.' " -RAW Satire, 05.10.04
Who cares? Let him be an arrogant a-hole, this isnt manners class; its pro wrestling. Whether it was done in character or not, its irrelevant- all that matters is the meaning of this title reign and what can be done with it now regarding present circumstances on RAW. Call me a hippie-like optimist but I always have hope that this time around the WWE will get their act together regarding the title and sorrounding storylines.
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Originally posted by dMrMay I be so bold as to suggest that there's just the ittsiest little chance that the interview was done IN CHARACTER and that a touch of arrogance might possibly be expected?
You may certainly be that bold, but if you think HHH isn't going to do his damnedest to sprint to 17 just so he can say he's won the titles more than anyone and is the greatest wrestler ever, as if the number alone is all that matters...well...meet me back here after it happens.
It's fine to complain about HHH once instigated to do so by actual facts, not by an 'in character' article on wwe.com.
For the record here are some other QUOTEZ!! from the wwe.com article
So what? Just because there are some "EVOLUTION IS THE STRONGEST FORCE IN THIS BUSINESS" quotes, it means that HHH tooting his own horn is fake? Since WWE.com itself can't even tell if they want to be insider or kayfabe, how are the fans supposed to decide unless it's something completely off the wall?
Triple H comparing himself is laughable. Flair never got down with Jim Crockett's, Jim Herd, Ted Turner's daughters. Flair was hated and loved by the same time by fans. Triple H seems to be universally reviled. We complain about him. The complaints are justified. He claims to be a "student of the industry". Most people who post in here are students of the history. I agree that HHH's time should go, but since he's put himself on top for so long, there is really no one else to hold the mantle. He's achieved perfection in the wrestling world. He's firmly entrenched in the top spot, as long as those muscles do not rip away from his ligaments from all that training (re:ICO-PRO, BALCO), and he can still get the runner home from third with the Mrs. Bottom line, I hateit too, but we as fans, "students of the industry" are force fed this gruel andwe have to eat it as long as HHH is around.
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