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Are they booking this NWO angle for the internet?

Would they be THAT stupid?

Or were some of those comments last night simple little winks and nods to online fans designed to make them THINK they're booking for the internet?



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when wcw was really on, they came off as more realistic to me. the big storylines started with the realities of putting on a wrestling show.

i don't think anything the nwo said last night would go over the casual fans' heads. they can understand who "the boys" are and that it's bad to have "heat" with them. they even explained it a little by saying "some of the glares we got were scary", giving people who didn't get it the first time a clue.

the casual fans may not titter at the things net fans do but i don't think they'll be hopelessly lost.



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I counted a grand total of *two* references to inside jokes. One, Hall said the forbidden word "mark." Two, Hall made a joke about a beer with the boys that Nash and Hogan shamed him for.

If you can't tell the difference between this and real *nudge nudge laugh at the internet* "insider" discussion, check out Byte This. They toss out tons of insider terms and jokes but stil kayfabe everything at the same time.



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I think some of Rock's skit with the nWo could be termed insider.
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You gotta admit though, Shane, Hogan's whole promo was pretty much aimed (albeit indirectly) at us smarkie-types. The whole "thankyou Vince" and "give us a chance" - that was awfully strange, considering they didn't really tie into the promo at all for the rest of the show. Although I suppose if they wanted to get us thinking, it's workin'.

By the way - the [slash] rankings are a GREAT idea. Really lookin' forward to seeing this one on a weekly basis!

(edited by BrewGuy on 18.2.02 1531)
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    Originally posted by Super Shane Spear
    If you can't tell the difference between this and real *nudge nudge laugh at the internet* "insider" discussion, check out Byte This. They toss out tons of insider terms and jokes but stil kayfabe everything at the same time.
That's all fine and good if I were talking about making fun of internet smarks/fans.

I'm not.

I'm talking about their specifically adressing issues that are only "known" to the internet and dirt-sheet subscribers.

Wouldn't the fact that they still haven't explained who the NWO are, what they stand for and what they've done in the past (not to mention what the NWO acronym means in the first place) demonstrate to you that they're assuming EVERY WWF fan was also a WCW fan?

That's certainly not the case.

Even if that WERE the case, this is really shoddy storytelling, even using wrestling logic, on the part of the bookers/writers. At least X-Pac explained why he was back in the WWF when they brought him back.

What about the little details like Hall chopping his crotch in NWO vignettes? Your "standard" WWF fan could interpret that as "Hall was a member of DX" or something.

Anyway, my initial question was supposed to be a tad sarcastic. That's the problem with message boards. You can't really convey tone of voice or anything.

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ooh, i'd forgotten about scott hall saying they were marks. after that he also said they were fans and would "maybe get some autographs, take pictures". they used "insider" terms (it's not like net fans are THAT inside) but then pretty much explained them in the next sentence.

so... i was going to start a new topic for this, but it should probably go here: if they add wwfers to the nwo, who do you think should go? i think we'll all agree they should only take one or two.

i say edge. he can cut a sharp, derogatory promo and make it believable. he could fit in well, i think, as well as give the group some much needed youth.

edit: they voice over guy says "new world order" during the porn music. i think people can figure out what the acronym means.

them mentioning things net fans already know... the way i see it, they're establishing these things for the tv-only audience the same way they've established it for us.

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I'm talking about their specifically adressing issues that are only "known" to the internet and dirt-sheet subscribers.


That's totally not the case though. They've been generic enough for a regular Joe Fan to figure things out. They have a bad rep backstage, they helped to destroy the once powerful WCW, now they're here to destroy the WWF. Marks aren't always the stupid idiots we make them out to be.

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For the sake of arguement, the WWF has done about as good of a job as they could tell non-WCW people who the nWo is. They've even gone to the point of lying and saying that they were the sole reason the WCW crumbled. As for the acronym, they've pushed that as much as they could. New-new-new-new-new World Order anybody?

A refesher course would have been nice, but when would they have aired it? Nobody watches Heat or Excess. Superstars and Livewire no longer exist, and you really can't spend too much time on one of the two main shows going over history. Maybe a videotape would be nice (it still would, marketing people) but they really didn't have time for that.

The WWF is probably banking on the name brand of Hogan more than the nWo. Even non-wrestling fans know who he is and can draw some casual viewers in. Also nice was the Rock skit last night where he called them Razor Ramon and Diesel. The less obsessive fans may have been like "OH! That's who he was! I remember now." So even those who had no idea of the original nWo can get excited.

I figure most of us here are in between 15-40 years of age. Well, what if the Nazis came back with enough power to say that they were going to start hanging out in America? Then they say they were going to invade America much the same way they invaded France. We weren't there, we never saw it, but the reputation is there. We can hear it from other people who were there. We can see videoclips or read about it if we really care to. This, on a much smaller scale, and of course fictional, is the same with the nWo.



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    Originally posted by Notorious F.A.B.
    they voice over guy says "new world order" during the porn music. i think people can figure out what the acronym means
Aaaaaaaaaaggggggggghhhhhhhhhh

Again, I must not be making my points very clearly today. I meant explaining why are they called the "New World Order." In other words, what does that mean and what is the relevance of said title.

When the Radicals debuted, they explained why they were called as such. Same thing with the JOB Squad and so on and so forth.



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okay, i see what you mean. they haven't done that.



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    Originally posted by BrewGuy
    You gotta admit though, Shane, Hogan's whole promo was pretty much aimed (albeit indirectly) at us smarkie-types. The whole "thankyou Vince" and "give us a chance" - that was awfully strange, considering they didn't really tie into the promo at all for the rest of the show. Although I suppose if they wanted to get us thinking, it's workin'.

    By the way - the [slash] rankings are a GREAT idea. Really lookin' forward to seeing this one on a weekly basis!

    (edited by BrewGuy on 18.2.02 1531)



I just took that bit as McMahon putting words into Hogan's mouth as part of the deal for Hogan coming into the WWF. I think that McMahon knows that he has to get Hogan and co. to respect and listen to him if this angle/future angles are going to work.
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This isn't wrestling circa 1988. Territories are dead. EVERYONE knows about the NWO. It is impossible to not have an idea of who they are. Since wrestling isn't booming right now, the audience is made up of the old time hardcore fans and the fans who came in because of the NWO or Attitude. I think this point is proven by half the audience last night wearing their nwo shirts.
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    Originally posted by Super Shane Spear
    For the sake of arguement, the WWF has done about as good of a job as they could tell non-WCW people who the nWo is. They've even gone to the point of lying and saying that they were the sole reason the WCW crumbled.
Where and when have they done this on television? Honestly, I don't recall it at all. And remember, the key in getting anything through to the audience is repetition. The only NWO-based repetition I've seen or read about came in the form of those oblique vignettes.
    Originally posted by Super Shane Spear
    A refesher course would have been nice, but when would they have aired it?
In place of ANY one of those vignettes or "this happened Monday" video packages that eat up time on Smackdown.
    Originally posted by Super Shane Spear
    you really can't spend too much time on one of the two main shows going over history.
They sure did last year before Wrestlemania to hype up that big main event.
    Originally posted by Super Shane Spear
    Maybe a videotape would be nice (it still would, marketing people) but they really didn't have time for that.
So in order for the audience to be privy the whole story they have to spend money? (Non Fanatic PPV events do NOT count because they recap them on the weekly shows anyway)



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Not everybody was wearing an their nWo shirt. The WWF is selling them now, so a good chunk of them probably bought one that night.

I think that if you want history, you should have to pay for it. Before ESPN Classic came out, you had to pay for a best of World Series, or Super Bowl tape. Why should the WWF devote lots of time to an history that they feel they can handle on their own? Plus, without footage they can embellish as many things as they want, like the "They killed WCW" story. JR brought it up last night as an after-thought, but MIchael Cole has been plugging the hell out of the storyline.

Maybe Fanatic would be a way to have a history segment, but people would have to pay tem bucks for that too.



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The response to "Hey, yo" and the cheers for Hogan proved to me that people knew about it. When they first started this angle, I was skeptical as to whether fans would even know who the NWO is, but hey, I was wrong...

Of course, the "she's a crack whore" chants for Steph last night made me think this was probably a former ECW crowd.



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Two, Hall made a joke about a beer with the boys that Nash and Hogan shamed him for.

I wouldn't neccessarily call that insider. WCW exploited his alcohol problems on a national stage, and anyone who watched WCW in that time period is aware of what that joke was all about. Granted, Internet fans were probably more in tune to what was up with that - but his battles with booze are no secret from the rest of the world.




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