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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.96
Right now, the WWE can't be beat. Viacom owns CBS, MTV & UPN, and they're the only big evil corporation who are airing wrestling nationally. Time Warner owns the WB & TBS, and seem to not want to get involved with wrestling anymore. Plus, I seem to recall a caveat of the WCW sale that they CAN'T air anymore wrestling for a few years. Disney doesn't seem to want to do wrestling, and neither does GE/NBC.

They're still the only game in town, and until one of the other corps decide to blow a wad of cash on NWA-TNA, it's gonna stay that way.



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.09
    Originally posted by Mayhem

    So I wonder if they will continue to have broadcast everything here in Nashville or go on a weekly tour of cities to promote the product.

    As much as I like having it here in my backdoor, they can't totally succeed without getting to other cities.


They need to get out of Nashville, regardless, because the fans over the past few months of been DEAD. Aside for Raven, Sting, and maybe Styles and Jarrett, the crowds have been sitting on their hands. And that is NOT going to come across well when they start to go to a nation-wide audience.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.15
Time Warner can't put wrestling on their stations until 2006, not that they would anyways.

They don't have to beat WWE to be a successful wrestling promotion, though. They just have to be profitable enough to grow.

NWATNA does have a few things going for it. They have over a year and a half of first run programming to their credit. They have all their key talent locked into long-term deals. Of course, it's not the talent that's going to open doors but Hogan, Rock, and Austin are the only people that are going to open any doors anyways. They can't lock up Hogan long-term because he won't commit anywhere long-term. Rock and Austin aren't leaving Vince.

I've been trying to figure out the thought process of the Jarretts in spending so much money to get on national TV. They pretty much have no alternative but to take a big risk and this is a big risk. With every big risk, there is a big reward.

By getting on WGN, they're probably hoping to get decent cable ratings (Between a 1.0 and 2.0). That helps sell their case to other cable networks, that non-WWE wrestling can get cable ratings in 2004. If they're getting good ratings at 9AM on WGN then they get some leverage. WGN would be stupid not to give them a better timeslot and/or a better deal. If they didn't, TNA now has proven ratings on cable TV and all their talent locked up. That might be enough to convince another cable station to give them a timeslot.

You don't get anywhere in wrestling without taking risks. If NWATNA goes under, at least give them credit for having some balls and really making a run of it. Whether you like their product or not, the industry that we love needs for them to make it.
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.52
Whatever happened to the on again off again rumor of Fox/FX/Fox Sports? I find it hard to believe they would be against some cheap programming like wrestling. Then again they've gone this long without it.
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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.72
    Originally posted by Mayhem
    As much as I like having it here in my backdoor


I sincerely hope you meant backyard.
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.79
    Originally posted by InVerse
      Originally posted by Mayhem
      As much as I like having it here in my backdoor


    I sincerely hope you meant backyard.


LOL ... ehhh ... I didn't realize that I said that ... IN MY BACKYARD ...



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.10
    Originally posted by CRZ
    Well, let's put it this way - I'm not rooting for them to succeed, I know that. The truth is, at this point a world without weekly TNA PPV television will be strikingly similar to my world as it is now, so it's no skin off my nose. I would LIKE to be optimistic and think that suddenly these shows are actually going to be worth making the investment, but I have so much history backing up a contrary point of view. Don't get me wrong; the WWE shows I've missed (and since caught on tape) haven't had me regretting not opening up the wallet, either - not to mention the warmed-over ECW rehash that is MLW. I can't really say there's ANYTHING out there right now that gets me really EXCITED to be a pro wrestling fan, not to mention making me wish these people were making gobs of money so they could in turn SPEND gobs of money buying television clearances for their shows so *I* could watch their product...and then maybe be spurred on to give some of MY money to THEM. Nope.


You only seem to SPEND any effort on trashing ANYTHING that concerns THEM. TNA seems to be the only wrestling related topic that has gotten you EXCITED enough to comment on in the last year. MY money says there is more to it than that. Yep.



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.65
    Originally posted by Jackson
    You only seem to SPEND any effort on trashing ANYTHING that concerns THEM. TNA seems to be the only wrestling related topic that has gotten you EXCITED enough to comment on in the last year. MY money says there is more to it than that. Yep.
There are more than enough people telling you what's wrong with the WWE; you don't need my opinion for THAT. Besides, I thought I made a special effort to *also* trash MLW in the text you quoted!

Also, geez, I hope you aren't mocking my use of capital letters for emphasis. It's just my conversational style...but when YOU do it, kinda looks all FUNNY. ;-)



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.19
Its really a shame they cant do a live Saturday morning show, like Memphis used to pull of. It would be a great way to promote the weekly PPV, and it wouldnt look as if they were just cutting and splicing the PPV for a rehash show. Plus, if they could pull off a small studio to put on the weekly live show, they could have smaller, hotter crowds.
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.42
I hope WGN are prepared to spend a huge amount of money in terms of advertising the show. If they're not, this will be a disaster in terms of operating costs. If the report is accurate and TNA is starting on WGN in mid-January, that doesn't seem like much time to get an ad campaign in motion.

Not only that, but 10-11am on a Saturday is a really terrible time slot.

ECW had a larger fan base than TNA has ever had, and the highest rating they ever did nationally was about 1.3, and that was when there was far more interest in wrestling. Not only that, but paying $50k a week for a poor time slot doesn't show much business acumen. TNA seem so desperate to get a national deal that they'll take anything, even though it's not very shrewd. It seems like they're hoping that any new viewers will then buy the PPV on Wednesday. For that to happen, WGN will have to have a big advertising campaign.

As their fan base is currently around 20k people at the most in the United States, it doesn't bode well for the future of the company in terms of going national with such a miniscule following.
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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.48
I look at it this way. What they're doing right now isn't going to increase their viewership. At least at the starting, there was lots of (Internet) press saying `you have to see this stuff to believe it' and then they went through their 'anybody can show up' phase for a while. Now, they have nothing to distinguish themselves.

Perhaps if they're paying decent money for television coverage, they can be motivated to write a stronger show and import some more established talent.

But if they DON'T take this risk now, they probably have little chance of surviving much longer. I can't imagine they are making any profit right now under their current strategy. If they can pump up the buyrates a bit, who knows?



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.15
    Originally posted by TheLurkingHorror
    I hope WGN are prepared to spend a huge amount of money in terms of advertising the show.


Tribune? SPEND MONEY?!

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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.00
    Originally posted by TheLurkingHorror
    I hope WGN are prepared to spend a huge amount of money in terms of advertising the show. If they're not, this will be a disaster in terms of operating costs. If the report is accurate and TNA is starting on WGN in mid-January, that doesn't seem like much time to get an ad campaign in motion.

    Not only that, but 10-11am on a Saturday is a really terrible time slot.

    ECW had a larger fan base than TNA has ever had, and the highest rating they ever did nationally was about 1.3, and that was when there was far more interest in wrestling. Not only that, but paying $50k a week for a poor time slot doesn't show much business acumen. TNA seem so desperate to get a national deal that they'll take anything, even though it's not very shrewd. It seems like they're hoping that any new viewers will then buy the PPV on Wednesday. For that to happen, WGN will have to have a big advertising campaign.

    As their fan base is currently around 20k people at the most in the United States, it doesn't bode well for the future of the company in terms of going national with such a miniscule following.


Totally agree, plus ECW had been around since 1992 and built up a cult following by providing something for everyone, brawling, juice, technical, high flying, at a time when the alternatives were still peddling larger than life supermen (for the most part). More importantly the stuff ECW was producing was different and fresh. Is TNA offering anything different except the X-Division? Is TNA offering anything the mainstream (big ratings) will want to watch?
That said, maybe TNA should have spent another year polishing their product, gaining that cult following and establishing a larger fan base like ECW did. Only time will tell. Against all odds, it *might* work. ECW didn't. Maybe TNA will be the exception?




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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.65
    Originally posted by TheLurkingHorror
    I hope WGN are prepared to spend a huge amount of money in terms of advertising the show. If they're not, this will be a disaster in terms of operating costs.
No, see, you're not getting it. WGN is GETTING PAID to air the show. This will get as much ad time as their infomercials do. "Tune in at 3am to learn about the revolutionary PORTABLE BIDET (washlet.com)!"

To see how well this situation has (not) worked before, look up "WCW Pro Chicago" and "WWF Blast Off," and remember the cliche about being doomed to repeat history...

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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.42
    Originally posted by CRZ
    No, see, you're not getting it. WGN is GETTING PAID to air the show. This will get as much ad time as their infomercials do. "Tune in at 3am to learn about the revolutionary PORTABLE BIDET (washlet.com)!"

    To see how well this situation has (not) worked before, look up "WCW Pro Chicago" and "WWF Blast Off," and remember the cliche about being doomed to repeat history...

    (edited by CRZ on 23.12.03 1055)


Well, that was my point. If the show isn't advertised by WGN, how do TNA expect to entice more people to tune in, and then order the Wednesday PPV? It will cost $50,000 per week to air on WGN, so I assume TNA believe they'll recoup this via increased buys.

I hope it works out, but it's very unlikely.
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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.39
Much as I would love to see TNA somehow turn this into a springboard to true #2 status, this seems like an extremely ill-advised move unless they have somehow been given clearance by the money people to burn through some ridiculous amount of cash. At $50,000 a week we're talking about paying $2.6 million per year to be broadcast on a quasi-superstation at an absolutely awful time. I fail to see how this is worth that large an investment as opposed to the syndicated Xplosion show. Even if you assume they get $5 from each PPV buy (which is likely overstating it) they would need to get 10,000 new people to buy it every single week to simply break even on this deal. If they had actually linked up with TribCo in an aquisition sense I might be able to understand it, but when you're right alongside Ron Popeil and Jack LaLanne that doesn't seem much of a buy. LurkingHorror has it right I fear, they've become such marks for themselves that just the mere thought of being a truly "national" company has them willing to overlook everything else to get there.



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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.79

So maybe someone can better explain this ...

TNA will be paying $50000 per week to have it's show aired ... WGN makes this money, as well as money from advertisers. Does TNA get any money from the adverstising or are they basically paying $50G's a week in order to promote their product? ...

If the latter is the case, it was nice while it lasted.



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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.15
It sounds like Jarrett is doing what in radio is referred to as "brokering time". Although usually in radio, the person brokering is entitled to x-percent of the ad revenue.

Maybe television works differently than radio, but it's a crappy deal if that's the case.

However, the whole intent of the Tribune deal is to up their PPV buyrate, obviously. So in simple math, the brokering has to equate to just over 5,000 extra buys per week than what they're averaging now in order to break even if they're not collecting any ad revenue.

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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.39
Most likely TNA will get to sell some of the ad time for the program, though I would imagine that the amount of cash they'll get from that time slot would be negligible. That time of morning tends to be all local ad buys, though perhaps my WGN might be a bit different since I get it as over-the-air network being in Chicago. And they would need at least 10,000 buys per week more just to cover costs otherwise, since they don't get the full $10 from each buy. I thought I read it was like $4 or so per buy, but even if it's a 50/50 split between them and the provider, that still makes the hurdle that much higher.



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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.19
FIfty Grand? HOly crap! WHy not just buy a lot of time on stations all across the country? Hell, how many nights do I sit up and see either Chef Tony selling some knives or Vanessa Williams selling Zit Cream. It cant be THAT expensive!
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