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#1 Posted on
Show was awful. I hate Russo.

EDIT: Suckers! Man, the show was once again, good. In a show like this, the lows are low and the highs are high. It was the worst one yet, but still good. The spotfest X-title matches are definitely the show stealer.

Also, note to the TNA management, don't build a guy up from Japan to be the shit, BEFORE seeing him wrestle.

Also, I wanted to see the Rainbow Express and a Gertner promo. Missed out on that one.

Also, who thought Hermie Sadler had work rate? K-Krush vs. Sadler was GOOD! Damn, it's sad when a Nascar driver is better than BOTH Tough Enough winners.

Norman Smiley never ceases to mkae me laugh. Good thing Brian Lawler (he ain't Christopher no MO'!) won, though, but I expected more of a squash with his big heel turn.

Jarrett's fifty chairshots were awesome.

Can't wait for next week, Christopher/Hall. Loki/Styles. Should be AWESOME.



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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
Hermie Sadler = NASCAR Jobber. =P



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#3 Posted on
The Torch readers are giving this episode unanimous rave reviews, so you've got to wonder if Keller and co. are filtering out the bad ones or what. It's rare that ANY show is uniformly praised.



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#4 Posted on
how good did Hermie Sadler come across??? Is he a big guy or???
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#5 Posted on

    Originally posted by thetrendsetter
    how good did Hermie Sadler come across??? Is he a big guy or???


He's small. K Krush carried him, obviously, but he more than held up his own. Nothing he did looked bad and he did a rather nice sit-out powerbomb. I don't want to sound overly enthusiastic about the guy, but he kinda seemed like a natural to me.



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Since: 18.3.02
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#6 Posted on
I'm not saying that this week was "good", but...last week sucked long & hard. So by comparison this was improvement.

To be fair...they seem to be trying fairly hard with what they have.

A few suggestions...lose Borash...he has absolutely no screen presence, and looks about 12.

This is a simple promotion...the lines between heel & face should be simpler. Jarrett attacks the promoter...he's a heel...he attacks Malice...who's a heel...so he's a face...aaaggh!

Play your wrestlers to their strong points...case in point...Shamrock is not a real charismatic face...and the haircut?

Wow...sorry...I'll turn the Scott Keith mode off. The Lawler/Sadler thing was decent for what it was, and yes the NASCAR guy didn't look totally out of place...but he shouldn't be back.

Malice/Wall seems to have improved since his WCW days both physically and in the ring.

There...I said something nice...it's been interesting enough that I'll still keep watching. After all...I kinda liked Thunder.

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#7 Posted on

    Originally posted by Big Bad
    The Torch readers are giving this episode unanimous rave reviews, so you've got to wonder if Keller and co. are filtering out the bad ones or what. It's rare that ANY show is uniformly praised.


What's probably happening is a combination of factors. First, the people who respond quickest to Keller are the folks who will always bash WWE and praise anything else. It's been like that since the Monday night wars. I remember a lot of folks who would get the first posts in and claim that those spiraling downward Nitro episodes were "the first great show in the WCW comeback.

More importantly, the people who bought tonight's show must have liked the previous shows enough to keep ordering anyway, so of course they're more inclined to praise it--they paid ten bucks for it. I can deal with the fact that some people like a show that impressed me as being a total loss, but that doesn't mean I'm going to pay to watch a show that I found unwatchable again.

Still, my interest is piqued enough to give them another chance in a week or two, but I'm still not getting my hopes up. I still see midgets, TNA women, and NASCAR racers being involved.

So far, it seems like the only thing the show has to offer is the X Division, and I don't know why I should pay ten bucks a week for one good match when I can buy tapes that have tons of good matches on them and no Ed Ferrera or Don West.

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#8 Posted on
Don West needs to be fired. Where did they get this living, speaking peice of human excrement.

While, I definitely don't think this show was bad by any means, it was the worst in the series of four they've had. But, with the introduction of storylines, I don't see it going anywhere but up.

Is it worth ten dollars? Well, it's up to the individual. It's definitely NOT WWE, but if you ordered it thinking that, well, I don't know what to say, other than, not smart. The bad things are, well bad, and the good things are on par with what I see that is good on the WWE. I think the only thing about these shows is, THEY are about 70 percent good, 30 percent bad. And, while that's not a great selling point, there's something about the product that just screams every week, "this is only getting better." And slowly, incrementally, it has. This week was more storyline than anything.

Another thing this show makes me realize, it WWE really missed the boat with K-Krush. And personally, don't be surprised WHEN, not if, he wins their world title. The guy is very good on the mic and his in-ring presence can't be denied, hell he was an awesome wrestler in the WWF, just had a stupid gimmick (with awesome, yet funny music).

As for Jarrett, I can't do anything BUT put the guy over. I didn't think that much of his return to the main event spotlight on the first show, but with the introduction of storylines his popularity in my eyes has grown leaps and bounds in my eyes. The chair swinging incident this week was just a good segment.

Shamrock. Can this guy be anymore bland. Don't tune in expecting this guy to be any good. This guy is like WWF Shamrock, but minus the snapping, with even less charisma, if that's possible.

Other than this, like I said, it's not the WWE product, but I enjoy the shows, they take chances, sometimes when they shouldn't (this week's Omori for one), but when it works, it REALLY works.

Also, I disagree with all they have is the X-Title crap. The Jarrett/Scott Hall feud is building up and Brian Christopher had a very good and unexpected turn, which I felt hadn't been done right since back when I used to be surprised by WWE turns.



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#9 Posted on
Just a few random thoughts on NWA-TNA Episode Four (7/10/02):

In the opening match, Tempest, AKA Crowbar, AKA Devon Storm, does a great job of selling AJ Styles' kicks, including the one that went about six inches over his head. BTW, Guru Zim, I agree with Lise that Tempest does bear a striking resemblance to Bradshaw (if you haven't already read it, Guru Zim's guest collum on this week's NWA-TNA can be viewed on the main SlashWrestling site, or you can Click Here)....AJ Styles returns the favor by pretty much no-selling the Death Vally Driver and the Whirlybird. Zim attributes the no-selling to the fact that these matches often disintegrate into spotfests; he may be right, but for now I'm leaving open the possibility that Styles may be growing an over-sized ego, which is often accompanied by "no-sell-itis"...time should tell....Good job by Jerry Lynn post-match advancing the Styles-Lynn storyline.

Why have Scott Hall give his promo as a "phone call"? Wouldn't it have been better to have him do this on video, showing him convalescing from last week's beat down, complete with bandages and wraps, perhaps even from a hospital room with some care providers in the shot? Is the production budget for this show really that tight?

So Brian Christopher wants to get out from his father Jerry Lawler's shadow, so in order to do that he now wants to be called Brian...Lawler! HUH??? I've gotta agree with tomk; this "Daddy Dearest" promo just makes no sense (BTW, you can Click Here to see tomk's NWA-TNA Workrate Report on the Death Valley Driver site)....Of course, what does make sense is why Mike Tenay slipped the first week by calling him Brian Lawler instead of Brian Christopher (jumping the gun just a bit)....A few "What?" chants come from the crowd, but rather faint; much stronger are the "Jerry's Kid" chants which start a few moments later...This crowd is much more alive than in previous weeks, IMHO....During the match Norman Smiley does a move on Lawler that seems better suited for the Rainbow Express; Oh, he's "spanking" him? Um, OK....In order to emphasize that he's now a heel, Lawler tosses away the goggles before doing the Hip Hop Drop; reminds me of when the Undertaker, sortly after he turned heel, refused to do the top rope walk, because he knew it was a fan-fave.

K Krush with a killer promo, IMHO, getting the fans just this close to storming the ring en masse (BTW Guru Zim, it was "over and over again", not "Hoover ain't got it then")...Hermie Sadler again with his posse, err, pit crew, one of whom is carrying the hard core stop sign....Sadler's not too bad in the ring, but he needs to work on those punches (or take it to WWE, one or the other).

Once again we gat an Alicia segment where someone gives her cash, this time Omori. Well, if they're going to continue this stupid angle, at least they're not doing it during a match this week, so props for that....BTW, what's the point of dressing Alicia in that short skirt if you're only going to show her from the waist up?

Tonight's most ironic moment: Mike Tenay, prior to the tag match between the Bricos and the Hot Shots, states, "You know, it's becoming very obvious that this NWA-TNA show is the place for the top young talent in the country to prove themselves." So what happens during this showcase for young talent? Malice does a run-in and destroys all four combatants during the match; yeah, so much for giving the young talent a chance to prove themselves.

Bo Dupps during an interview with Goldilocks: "If it looks like shit, if it smells like shit, if it feels like shit" THEN IT MUST BE RUSSO BOOKING! Sorry, couldn't resist. To be honest, I don't have a real opinion one way or the other regarding Vince Russo, since I'm really not sure exactly what storylines in the past are his babies. Depending on whose post you read on this board, Russo is either wholly responsible for all the best segments of the last several years, or wholly responsible for all the worst segments of the last several years, or both.

The temperature in Nashville has been in the 90's, as has the humidity, making for heat indexes at or above 100. I thought that was worth mentioning as I look at Jeremy Borash, who's wearing a turtle neck sweater underneath his suit jacket. CRANK THAT A/C!....Jasmine St. Claire comes out and does her thing...Mike Tenay: "Yeah, he [Borash] gets a lap dance and I get to sit next to West and Ferrara"....Hmmm, that's an interesting place for Borash to put the microphone....Ferrara attempts to become my newest hero by spearing NWA VP Bill Behrens before Behrens can cover-up Jasmine; hey, who knew Ferrara could move that fast?

During the Dupps match vs. two-thirds of the Flying Elvises we get treated to guest commentary by "a Johnson-less Mortimer Plumbtree"....Post match we get Styles and Lynn going at it backstage....What? No clangy poles? What kind of promotion is this???

Harley Race makes his way to the ring prior to the Title Match between Shamrock and Omori. At least, that's what Mike Tenay says, and I'll have to take his word for it, because all I can see on my TV screen is a "tale of the tape"-type graphic for Shamrock and Omori....the match becomes a no-contest, as it's Jeff Jarrett's turn to do a run-in...so let's see, on tonight's scorecard we've got two no-contests because of run-ins, plus a decision reversal because of actions after the match...I'm not liking the looks of this.

Goldilocks declines Jerry Lynn's offer to blow him....Goldilocks then gets called the "Whore of Babylon" by James Mitchell...Goldilocks then comes upon, errr, discovers a hog-tied Bill Behrens, clad only in his jockey shorts....You know, I'm starting to think that Goldilocks may not have the best job in the promotion....Gee, who did this to Bill Behrens? My guess is Jeremy Borash, getting even with Behrens for taking away Jasmine St Claire before she could finish her lap dance. NEVER INTERFERE WITH A MAN GETTING A LAP DANCE!

I enjoyed the main event six man X-Division match, but IMHO it wasn't up to prior X-Division contests...maybe I'm getting spoiled....Props to the bookers for not doing the obvious and making Jerry Lynn the number one contender....Boos to the bookers for eliminating Jerry Lynn from the match via a count-out. WTF? And to make it worse, it wasn't even a count-out while he was one of the legal men in the ring, but a count-out for him not being on the apron so he could be tagged in....I like the Flying Elvises storyline of always being left out of title matches (the tag-team tournament, the X-Division Champsionship, and now the contenders match)...and, yes Guru Zim, I agree that for a moment it looked like one of the Tennessee Titans was really beating the crap out of Jeff Jarrett; why does it seem like some of the best workers in this promotion are non-wrestlers?

Sign of the night: "Nothing Without Athena....actually that one wins almost by default. Why so few signs? Did anyone who was there live also notice the lack of signs? Or were they just kept away from the TV cameras?

IMHO this was the most balanced show thus far. It's highs didn't reach the peaks of prior shows, but, on the other hand, it's low points were not as bad as the valleys on previous broadcasts. Sort of a flat line show. As I mentioned earlier, having a third of your matches end in no-contests because of outside interference is not a good thing. Mike Tenay continues to impress, and IMHO Don West and Ed Ferrara are improving. Overall I give it a passing grade. Will I buy again next week? Hey, I have to; Guru Zim tells me I should! ;-) Besides, how can you pass on the Hardcore Midgets?...and so ends my take




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#10 Posted on
Hey, someone read it. Cool.

As you noticed, I botched a lot of names. Sorry about that, I was guessing on a lot of the audio - and I'm not too familiar with the people in this fed to get it right from memory.

Someone pointed out that it was Cassidy and Chase, not Jake. I could sure use a graphic on the screen. That's a free production tip from me to the NWA.

Thank God Tenay calls just about every big move. That makes it a lot easier to try to recap it. I could never do that for a show that Michael Cole announced.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.87
There's actually one point I find the NWA is absolutely slaughtering the WWE with, and that's backstage interviews.

They don't have uncharismatic pretty boys (Coach, Loyd) or braindead women (Terri) doing these. Goldilocks is doing a bang up job and I look forward to seeing any segment involving her because it's usually well done.

And the wrestlers need to be praised because it's not a bunch of generic WWE style interviews. They're going over the basics - and hyping their matches and feuds. Not a whole lot of pointlessness most of the time - and it's refreshing to see.

We can't order the shows here yet, but a friend of mine is getting them shipped in - so I'm really looking forward to week 4. Everything I've read sounds good.




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Since: 23.5.02
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#12 Posted on
NWA TNA = XFL



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#13 Posted on
"NWA TNA = XFL"

Yeah, that's hilarious. Bet you haven't even seen a second of it.

Anyways, I agree about Goldilocks, she not only looks good, but is better than half the WWE backstage interviewers/women on the stick.

Also, while I like the X-Division, I like it's contests, there's something about AJ Styles, I don't like. And he's the one they're building it around. By the way, all of you Tajiri fans who aren't getting enough of the little guy, ORDER NWA TNA, because Tajiri, has nothing on Low-Ki. I saw this guy in WWF on Jakked against Essa Rios a whole bunch and didn't think much of him, but he's another that this federation has shown me the light on. I don't think he's WWE material, but he's good none the less.

Also, had anyone hear of Omori before LAST week's NWA show?




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#14 Posted on
deion stole my thunder.. oh well

What i am really looking forward to are the x division workers finally competing in singles matches.
I get that the elimenation matches were needed to introduce everyone to the x division. Now that
they all have been introduced and the rankings have been established, i want to see what these guys can do for an extended period of time.I am really looking forward to A.j vs Lo KI next week as well as Jerry Lynn's rise through the x division rankings.

Man , i wish this promtion would have been around during the months that eddie was
working the indies.



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#15 Posted on

"Also, had anyone hear of Omori before LAST week's NWA show?"

He was a participant in the 1996 Royal Rumble. Though judging from the pictures on NWATNA.com, he's gotten a whole lot uglier.

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#16 Posted on
You shouldn't be too surprised with Sandler's work. According to a past WWE Confidential, he grew up in the same hometown as Hardcore Holly and tried to dropkick him once during a Stacker 2 commercial.



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Hermie and Elliott are in fact two different people.



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#18 Posted on
I haven't seen any of the NWA shows yet but thought some people might be interested in this. The Titans involvment in the brawl with Jarrett is getting pretty big coverage in The Tennessean. It's the #1 story on the sports page today. It seems that Titans GM Floyd Reese is somewhat upset with his players for getting involved in any sort of physical confrontation this close to training camp. While it isn't the most positve exposure NWA can buy, it is still something. And since the shows are all in Nashville these days, possibly a few more locals will be compelled to check it out.

Here is a link to the story. Just copy and paste, because I don't know how to post it any other way.
http://www.tennessean.com/sports/titans/archives/02/07/19858883.shtml?Element_ID=19858883

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#19 Posted on

    Originally posted by WhoBettahThanDeion
    Don West needs to be fired. Where did they get this living, speaking peice of human excrement.

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Curse those Sadler brothers!

Elliot Sadler has been seen in a few of the Nascar-themed Stacker 2 ads, as well as the Tough Enough-NASCAR crossover ads (I think). He drives the #21 Ford for the Wood Brothers in Winston Cup. He has one career win, the spring race at Bristol in 2001.

Hermie Sadler rarely qualifies, and when he does, he sucks. I'm sure some of that could be attributed to poor equipment, though.



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