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The W - Pro Wrestling - NWA: TNA: 12 Weeks Later
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Since: 20.6.02
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Last Wednesday came the big X Division clip show, showcasing some of the best X Division matches featured in NWA: TNA. So now that we've reached this point, it's time to pose a question:

Can NWA: TNA be considered a success?

It may be too early to tell if they're successful, but at this stage, call me a TNA fan. While there are a lot of pessimistic online fans screaming for an early death (Why? I have no clue), but for what they're given, they've done fairly well.

The X Division has been a refreshing change from the norm of the neutered "WWE Style" of wrestling. While some may not be big fans of "Indy-style" spotfests, I see it as something different and it intrigues me. Let's not forget that a lot of fans don't actually GO to Indy shows, so they're not familiar with that style of wrestling. And for me, this brings back wonderful memories of WCW's Cruiserweight division.

Yes, I'll be the first to admit that a lot of the angles have been God-awful. A midget pulling a gun? The Dupp cup? DISCO'S TALK SHOW?! I could go on and on, but this is coming from an organization looking for an identity. And if reports are true, Jerry Jarrett has now decided to market to "workrate" fans. So all that stuff will probably (thankfully) go out the window.

And if there was no TNA, a lot of guys would still be out of work. Low Ki and Ron "The Truth" Killings are quickly becoming big names and are future stars and it's a shame that WWE is so closed-minded. Killings I can understand because he's had his chance with Titan, but there is NO reason why Low Ki shouldn't be employed. AJ Styles, as overrated as he may be, has been a part of some amazing matches, as has Jerry Lynn. And a lot of guys like The Amazing Red, the SATs, the Flying Elvises, Monty Brown, and Malice (who has improved significantly since his days as The Wall) are finding work where otherwise they'd be touring the Indy circuit because they can't work "WWE Style" or something along that line. Most, if not all, of them have given us solid matches and have shown incredible effort.

So what do you guys think? How do you think TNA has done so far?




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Since: 2.1.02
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I really enjoyed the first several weeks.... Things were looking promising to me - with a focus on the wrestling aspect.

Then Vince Russo was hired - and things began to change. It felt like October 1999 all over again, only this time I hadn't really put any sort of emotional investment into NWA as I had WCW. I saw the SAME things happening to this company as it did to WCW... Suddenly wrestling was a backseat to people saying "shit" as many times as possible, inexplicable breakups, and other garbage that had no place in that company.

Oddly enough, it was as soon as the focus was placed on Sportz Entertainment, that Ken Shamrock became a non-factor. His days as champ were clearly numbered because he's NOT a sportz entertainer. He'd make a fantastic dude to have on top in a wrestling oriented company.

The X division bothers me because I know it'll only be so long before fans start yawning at high spots these guys produce and say "give me more"... We're getting 2-3 X division matchups per week which is far too much - so there's not really a chance to enjoy the big time spots we're getting. Big spots bug me in the fact they do take away from the regular wrestling - and sooner or later guys will damn near literally have to kill themselves to get a reaction from the fans.

TONS of room for improvement... They took a serious step backwards on week 5 and haven't ever really recovered. The comedy has been god awful and I'm hoping Jarrett is serious about returning to good solid wrestling.




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#3 Posted on
"Can NWA: TNA be considered a success?"

Only if they're profitable. Are they? We'll know if they're around in a month. But it's not looking good. Damn that Jay Hassman.
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Since: 19.1.02
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#4 Posted on
Is it successful?

What do you mean by "successful"?

Wrestling-wise? It's had it's ups and downs. The X-Division...is pretty good. Most of the rest is pretty not.

Financially? I don't know yet, but outside of the hardcore wrestling fan circles, I don't know one person who is a wrestling fan who has ordered an NWA show. Not even the people who I know who get this stuff for free have watched it. That's pretty sad from my point of view...But I guess we'll have to wait and see...



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It's just my opinion, but I don't think the WWF needs Lo Ki while they have Tajiri.

Shamrock's NWA matches nearly bored me to tears.

Is it a success? Ask a random person to name the "other wrestling company".

DESPITE that, I hope they keep on until they land a cable deal because I miss Crowbar.



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#6 Posted on
Shamrock was bailing out anyway because he goes back to Ultimate Fighting in November.



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Since: 17.3.02
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#7 Posted on

    Originally posted by AngryJohnny
    It's just my opinion, but I don't think the WWF needs Lo Ki while they have Tajiri.

    Shamrock's NWA matches nearly bored me to tears.

    Is it a success? Ask a random person to name the "other wrestling company".

    DESPITE that, I hope they keep on until they land a cable deal because I miss Crowbar.



If Crowbar is still Devon Storm (wait...reverse that!), didn't I read that he was being de-pushed as part of the cost-cutting? You'd see footage from the first few weeks that might include him, if and when there was broader distribution for their syndicated show or they got a cable deal, but unless he somehow gets into a position to pay his own way to and from, the report was that he was gone (from TNA).

I found plenty to be enthused with (for $9.95) on an every-other-show basis even after Week 5. In summing up, I'd say we should use the old "if they disappeared off the face of the earth tomorrow" standard, and on that basis, I'd say their legacy would be considered a success in the main. Even TNA's failure would indicate the possibility of a) some other promotion doing just that notch or two better that would mean longer term viability; b) someone will come along and do something RADICALLY different from the tried and true WWE format, on the hunch that the almost-but-not-quite TNA just didn't go far enough in establishing and promoting difference.



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Since: 18.2.02
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#8 Posted on

Hey, it means K-Kwik may eventually return to the WWE, so it's a success for me.

Mind you, I still bet they will fold within six months. But yeah.




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Since: 23.2.02
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#9 Posted on
I read that Crowbar "didn't fit in" backstage and annoyed management by calling them all the time asking to be booked or something, and apparently won't be on anytime soon. Of course this could be bunk.

I agree it's too early to say if NWA is a success... I guess if they broke even and are able to continue on for awhile then that's enough for me. I have enjoyed watching the shows, even if some of it really sucks.

It's still very early into this thing and they haven't found their creative groove. But there's some talent there... Lynn, Low Ki, Truth... SATs... IMO they're all just plain fun to watch.

Add in X Pac or Syxx or whatever he'll call himself, the guy may be stale as hell but maybe they'll freshen him up. Pac is a good worker and could help produce some great X Division matches.

A success? We'll see!
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Since: 10.4.02
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I think a viable second promotion would be tremendous, but this is a mess. Due to the Jarrett's complete fiscal ineptitude and penchant for lying and blaming everyone else, these shows look cheap and have a bland no-name roster (at times hard working though). They have production values that make early ECW look like Wrestlemania 2000.

But the thing that bothers me most, other than being expected to pay $48.00 a month for a sub-Thunder quality show, is the sloppy wrestling. I understand that with "high risk, aerial wrestling" mistakes can be made. But there is absolutely no psychology and the sloppy, missed spots over and over only signify to the fan: ATTN--THIS IS WORKED! This type of choreograpy, when poorly executed makes me wish someone would just grab a hold for christ sakes. To see all these high spots with no transitions is BORING, and I won't watch it again.





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Since: 22.1.02
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#11 Posted on
I've seen three episodes, the first one, a middle one and the last one before the X-division clip show.

There's been some good stuff. Like Killings, who I think honestly is onto something with this "Truth" character. He has got that something special. And I'm a Jerry Lynn mark, so I liked his X-division stuff, but Styles and Low Ki just seem like overrated Indy workers to me.

The rest has been crap. Utter crap that's hard to sit through for two straight hours. Plus, the fact that it's costing me money doesn't make for a repeat customer. I'm glad that they're around, but they're not giving me a compelling reason to watch. Hell, just show matches and keep the storylines to a minimum, that way people won't have to sit through a 10 minute Brian Lawler promo.




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Since: 20.6.02
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#12 Posted on
The main problem with some of the guys in the organization is that there's no psychology. But that doesn't take away from the fact that I'm glad these guys are employed. I'm a wrestling fan, but I don't catch Indy shows. I seriously doubt any of you do, either.

Ok, so maybe they AREN'T exactly ready for primetime. But there's always room for improvement and I'm just glad there's a place for them to work on that, because WWE is filled to capacity. Although, they could easily dump dead weight like Godfather and Haku and replace them with hard-working guys like Malice or Monty Brown (Ron Killings has already vowed to never work for WWE again).

I don't want to believe TNA will fold anytime soon. In fact, I'm HOPING the buyrates shoot up so they can get themselves a cable deal and I can start watching these X Division matches on free TV. If TNA folds, that means it's back to Indy hell for amazing talents like Low Ki and Killings and that would just be tragic.




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Since: 10.4.02
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#13 Posted on
There's quite a bit of indy action here in the NY/NJ/Pennsylvania area, and I go. Paying $10 to sit in a high school gym in West Paterson, NJ and watch young guys try to "develop" and vets "do their thing" is acceptable, you get a visceral charge watching the action in person (even if there's only 80 people in the building). You and your friends can yell at Road Dogg or mark out for Sunny (if they show up--finding out is half the fun of the indy adventure). Paying $10 a week (or $48 a month with tax) is unacceptable due to all the crappy angles and low production values that pad the show. The amount of time spent on wrestling in TNA seems to decrease each week and the sloppy X division spot fests do nothing for me. Ron Killings seems to have "it" and I'm sure he'll return to the WWE in the future.



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