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Since: 25.1.02
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#1 Posted on
the bible. I just saw on CNN.com that in a new printing of the bible, they are changing phrases like "sons of God" (not refering to Jesus, but I think the Isrealites are refered as such a few times) to "persons of God" or "children of God". I'm not for sexual bias, but come on, it's the bible. We are talking about a text that is almost 2000 years old. There was no such thing as equal rights then. Hell, I'm not even religious, but I want to a Catholic university so I have had to read the bible, and this seems excessive.



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If you want to get technical, it should actually be half Hebrew and half Greek (or was it Latin first?). I honestly don't care, just as long as it means the same.





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MoeGates
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Since: 6.1.02
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#3 Posted on
You don't even want to know how much the Bible's been changed over the years.

As for the specific phrase "children of God" vs. "Sons of God," it can actually be translated both ways from the Hebrew. In Hebrew, all-masculine plurals are referred to masculinely, and all-feminine plurals are referred to all femininely, but combinations are referred to masculinely. So the phrase "Banim shel Eli" (I think that's it, the Biblical Hebrew might be a bit different) can translate into "Sons of God," or "Sons and Daughters (children) of God." If it were all daughters it would be "Banot shel Eli." You would never use the phrase "Banim v(and)' Banot shel Eli" in Hebrew. It just isn't correct grammer. You would just use "Banim shel Eli."

So as you can see, when the people decided to make the phrase "Sons of God" in English, they also demonstrated a sexual bias.

Which one was it intended to mean? Who knows? But it's not like the PC crowd is trying to distort the Word of God here. There are two acceptable translations, and different translations of the Bible will use different ones depending.

Moe



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(edited by MoeGates on 29.1.02 1950)
Stephanie
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Since: 2.1.02
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#4 Posted on
Eh. I'll stick with the King James Version, which reads like a religious document (verily).

Steph



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Jaguar
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Since: 23.1.02
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#5 Posted on
Like a religious document written in english, anyways.
lmo911
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Well it could be worse...

They could have changed the whole book to not offend people of other religions and atheists.

"Children of [insert your deity here, if not skip to next line.]"



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(edited by lmo911 on 29.1.02 1732)
Jaguar
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Since: 23.1.02
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#7 Posted on
It could read like it was written in BASIC! They could call it the BASIC Bible! It'd be my dream come true!


Note: This message is absolutely /dripping/ in sarcasm. Try not to get any of it on you.

-JAGUAR

Oh, well, except for the BASIC Bible part.... they _could_ call it that...
MoeGates
Andouille








Since: 6.1.02
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#8 Posted on
Who is the "they" who's doing this anyway?

Moe



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lmo911
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"They" are the The International Bible Society

Of course this begs the question, are "They" the same "They" that call the man...Vader?



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(edited by lmo911 on 29.1.02 2002)
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'They' are the people who make it thier lives work to make sure not one person on God's green earth is ever sad, or alienated, or hurt. They are the people who invented 'time outs', amd other such nonsense.



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lmo911
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So....they didn't name Vader?



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Andouille








Since: 6.1.02
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#12 Posted on
'They' are the people who make it thier lives work to make sure not one person on God's green earth is ever sad, or alienated, or hurt. They are the people who invented 'time outs', amd other such nonsense.

That's right folks, DR. BENJAMIN SPOCK now edits the Holy Word of God! When will the PC madness end I ask you?

Gee, and you guys got so mad at Hillary Clinton for claiming there was a vast, right-wing conspiracy. At least she didn't say you guys controlled the Bible.

Who's the International Bible Society? Are the same as the Gideons?



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Zeruel
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Since: 2.1.02
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
the less i say about the bible [and the religions associated with it that i call the "white religions"] the better...i'm sure i'd offend EVERYONE with my views...

but i can see their point for making it PC...but...ahhh..better keep my promise




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(edited by rikidozan on 30.1.02 0657)
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Since: 3.1.02
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#14 Posted on
The Bibles (as there are many translations, versions and interpretations) are supposed to be the literal word of God. They are, instead, (at best) the word of God as interpreted by fallible humans, copied and recopied, hidden from all but church officials and the elite for centuries, translated/mistranslated, edited, interpreted by many of Those Who Know Exactly What God Was Thinking When He Said 'X', repackaged and redistributed as the Genuine Article for all to obey.

Ever play Whisper Down The Lane?

Ever been amused at how much a message can change when it's passed on by a dozen or more people?

Ever wonder just how badly a text that's been passed on for THOUSANDS OF YEARS and subjected to countless interpretations has been mangled today, even if (and it's a big assumption) it was 100% accurate to begin with back in the day?

And now people are arguing (on BOTH sides) over the legitimacy of altered pronoun usage?

Sheesh. As far as interpretation issues goes, this is a flea among mastodons.



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Since: 6.1.02
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#15 Posted on
Especially since the Bible has been edited throughout the ages. What's the big deal if it happens one more time?



Jaguar
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Since: 23.1.02
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#16 Posted on
And anyway, a lot of the Bible is supposed to be stories and parables and such that teach people something about life. As long as the meaning stays the same, then it's all good. Now if they went changing Revelations which is supposed to be Prophecy, then I'd be mad. What if we were prepared for locusts, and it was really a swarm of butterflies? What then, I ask you? WHAT THEN?!?

=Jaggles
Zeruel
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Since: 2.1.02
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
well, since i will be reincarnated as an angry grasshopper of hate, i will fend them off



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ironcladlou
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Since: 2.1.02
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#18 Posted on


    Originally posted by Jaguar
    It could read like it was written in BASIC! They could call it the BASIC Bible! It'd be my dream come true!


    Note: This message is absolutely /dripping/ in sarcasm. Try not to get any of it on you.

    -JAGUAR

    Oh, well, except for the BASIC Bible part.... they _could_ call it that...



10 print "In the Beginning..."
20 print "Do you believe in God? 1=Yes, 2=No"
30 input x
40 if x=2 then goto 70
50 print "The joke is getting old."
60 goto 80
70 print "You're going to hell"
80 END



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