I'm getting this vibe that no matter how much success (if any) Maven gets, that he is always going to be looked at as the kid who won Tough Enough. Even if 10 years from now he goes on to be THE man in sports entertainment, I think people are still going to look at him as the kid who won Tough Enough. It just seems like this is an image he will never be able to shed. Maybe that's a good thing though. Something about the way he became a wrestler just doesn't seem right to me. It's like we watched his training and now we are expected to believe he can hang with the best in the game. Granted, I think they are doing an excellent job of booking him, but I think in the long run that the fact that he won Tough Enough and pretty much came straight to our TVs as Maven from Tough Enough is going to bite him in the ass down the road. It's great gimmick now, but will it ever be able to evolve enough to shed the "I won Tough Enough" part of it, or is it gonna hang over his head the rest of his career?
Sure, hard work could do that. Remember how everyone hated Rocky Maivia when he first arrived? He was put over as the first third-generation wrestler in history, a “true blue chipper”, classic babyface, and the crowd hated his guts.
So, Maven's Tough Enough gimmick certainly isn't enough to hang over his career forever. I'm at least willing to give him time to prove himself as more than just “the kid who won Tough Enough”. So far he's been impressive at getting his ass kicked-- time will have to tell whether or not he'll stop getting lucky and start really getting good.
“I didn't say it would be easy, Neo. I just said it would be the truth.”
Wrestling is quite fluid with history and reality. They can and do change things after the fact and by and large we accept it. We know it's fake and we allow it in order for the story to move along. Look at the career of Beefcake/ Zodiac/ Furface/ Disciple, or the Giant Machine gimmick, or Tori being "just a fan out of the crowd". While I'm sure they will mention it for as long as it benefits storylines, as soon as the tough enough gimmick isn't working it will be forgotten. If they keep Maven after that point, you can bet he will be repackaged and his origins rarely mentioned. I think the real question is, does he have any intrinsic value to the company outside of being the "tough enough winner"?
I think right now they are just riding his Tough Enough fame for all it's worth. Also you have to take into account that Tough Enough was a contest and seeing Maven out there wrestling on WWF show will probably help build some more interest into Tough Enough 2. His current gimmick though could easily be duplicated by just about anyone in their developmental terretories. If they really wanted to use a gimmick such as Maven's they could have just called up any guy from OVW or HWA that we have never seen before, and chucked him into the crowd or something like that, so it's pretty clear that the only reason Maven is out there now is because of his Tough Enough fame, so when Tough Enough 2 is done, will there even be a need for Maven anymore once the next winner comes around?
Originally posted by MarchOfThePigs If they really wanted to use a gimmick such as Maven's they could have just called up any guy from OVW or HWA that we have never seen before, and chucked him into the crowd or something like that, so it's pretty clear that the only reason Maven is out there now is because of his Tough Enough fame, so when Tough Enough 2 is done, will there even be a need for Maven anymore once the next winner comes around?
I don't think they could have pulled out any fan, or else they would be contradicting their 'we are trained professionals and dont try this at home' stuff. Even if the guy was really from the indies or ovw/hwa.
The reason they now do his Tough Enough skit is indeed because in a few months he wont be the only winner any more. As I pointed out (I think in another Maven post) I expect them to play on it. Hey..within the year he has held a title..he could boast about that and turn heel on the latest winner.. I think the other reason they are putting him out there before TE2 ends is to give him some credibility (despite not getting much offense) and some bit of a name so that he can survive without the TE Winner always being mentioned.
IMO they are doing a good job. People seem to care about the character Maven, not 'that guy that won Tough Enough'..
"...And I use that to fuck them some place fairly uncomfortable." "What, like the back of a volkswagen ?" -Mallrats
I think the best analogy to Maven situation is Owen. Since he first was booked as Bret's little brother people wondered if he would be able to shake it. I guess he kind of did and kind of didn't. Everyone always knew and thought of him as Bret's kid brother, but he was also able to make his own character and do other things.
I think that's how it's going to be with Maven. Eventually he'll get a real character (probably after he turns heel) and will go on to do his own thing. But he's still going to get "that's the dude who won Tough Enough, right?" from a lot of folks.
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Nidia's probably still waiting for her appointment with the plastic surgeon for some enhancements before getting WWF tv time, due to the fact that she's neither 6 foot 1 or a man beast.
I think he can overcome it. I mean, some wrestlers have been through gimmick hell, and overcome it. Hell, Al Snow even used his past gimmicks to explain his psycho one. It'll all depend on how much the WWF wants to use the kid.
No matter how bad things may get, just imagine what would happen if Vince Russo was booking again, and you will feel better.
If they continue to run Tough Enough like King Of The Ring, eventually it'll just be a footnote. JR (or whomever takes over down the line) can mention it during a regular RAW telecast.
"here comes former Tough Enough winner Maven, set to take on Edge in an Intercontinental Title matchup. He's come a long way King..."
"Absolutely JR, and speaking of coming a long way, check out Stacy at ringside. Her puppies are peaking JR!"
You get the picture... Fans will forget sooner or later. Once he starts getting more into the stories, beyond the wide eyed kid stepping out into the big bad WWF world the fans will forget along with him.
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