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Okay, does anybody else think that the Chargers lack of success so far has something to do with having a coach that still winds up getting employed for some reason despite having an abysmal record?



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For one, I think you're not giving Ted Cottrell enough of the "credit".





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    Originally posted by Lexus
    Okay, does anybody else think that the Chargers lack of success so far has something to do with having a coach that still winds up getting employed for some reason despite having an abysmal record?


Lex, you of all people know how average he is as a coach when he stunk up the joint here with the 'Skins.



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    Originally posted by Zeruel
      Originally posted by Lexus
      Okay, does anybody else think that the Chargers lack of success so far has something to do with having a coach that still winds up getting employed for some reason despite having an abysmal record?


    Lex, you of all people know how average he is as a coach when he stunk up the joint here with the 'Skins.


So it's Week 1 of the NFL season. Picture a Cowboys fan, a Redskins fan and a Dolphins fan all sitting in the same room. As the 4:00 game rolls around, guess who the only one speaking well of Norv Turner is. Hint: it wasn't me.

I sometimes wonder if Turner is some sort of coaching David Carradine who travels the NFL getting into adventures and stinking up the hopes of whoever he's employed by until finally 20 years from he ends up back on the Dallas staff so he can err there as well. At which time the circle will be complete.



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The most damning factoid has been getting repeated ad naseum since this past Sunday. The Chargers were up 10 at halftime. Logically, you'd hand your ball off to your superstar running back and let him do his thing. Instead, Tomlinson touched the ball a total of SIX TIMES in the second half. Chargers go on to lose the game.

How sad is it that we ALL saw this coming? The minute Norv Turner was announced as the head coach, EVERYONE knew the Chargers' season was lost. The only one who didn't know it was AJ Smith.

The worst part of this tragedy is that none of it needed to happen. The Chargers went 14-2 last year and were ousted in the first round. But the bottom line is, they were still a staggering 14-2! And like a total boob, Smith hit the panic button and fired Marty immediately. Before you know it, both offensive and defensive coordinators are out the door and instead of going out of his way to bring in some quality coaches, Smith brings in Turner and Cottrell, two of the biggest losers to ever grace the sidelines in the modern NFL (not named Art Shell).

The only way to possibly salvage this disaster is to call Bill Cowher after this season's over and run Smith, Turner, and Cottrell out of town on rails immediately after Week 17, when the Chargers finish their 5-11 season.

I think Keith Olbermann hit it on the head during halftime of Sunday's game. The evidence is in LaDanian Tomlinson's face. The poor guy was a smiling, fun-loving guy last year and now looks like death warmed over. Look what they've done to him!

(edited by It's False on 3.10.07 0126)



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    Originally posted by It's False
    The worst part of this tragedy is that none of it needed to happen. The Chargers went 14-2 last year and were ousted in the first round. But the bottom line is, they were still a staggering 14-2! And like a total boob, Smith hit the panic button and fired Marty immediately. Before you know it, both offensive and defensive coordinators are out the door and instead of going out of his way to bring in some quality coaches, Smith brings in Turner and Cottrell, two of the biggest losers to ever grace the sidelines in the modern NFL (not named Art Shell).







If he had fired Marty immediately, then this probably wouldn't be happening. Instead, they played games with contract extensions etc., then fired Marty a month later, when the coaching carousel had already stopped. Of course, after seeing the way the offensive coordinator handled things in the second half of the playoff game against the Patriots and is doing things with the Dolphins, he might not have been the biggest loss in the world. The Dolphins have the Ginn family now, now, to really shake up the league, use the #1 pick in the '08 Draft on a long snapper. That'll really show people that Cam Cameron thinks outside the box.
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.00
    Originally posted by It's False
    The most damning factoid has been getting repeated ad naseum since this past Sunday. The Chargers were up 10 at halftime. Logically, you'd hand your ball off to your superstar running back and let him do his thing. Instead, Tomlinson touched the ball a total of SIX TIMES in the second half. Chargers go on to lose the game.


Hey, we've had to put up with Andy Reid doing that for YEARS at the Eagles. We're still doing it even with a one legged QB.

On Turner though, I'll never, ever understand the logic in replacing a coach who has proven can't win in the play-offs with a coach who has proven he can't win any time. Improves the consistency I guess....
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Yech, I remember the woes of Norv Turner here in Washington.

And furthermore, how hard is it to be an offensive coordinator with the line Dallas had, Emmitt Smith, Troy Aikman, a great recieving core, and a defense that mangled people? Hell, Norv Turner's even said all he had to do was pick which player was getting the ball.



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While I think Norv Turner is not a great head coach, I think he did a pretty solid job with Alex Smith last year ... I mean, take a look at Smith this year & it looks almost as if he had regressed.
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Norv is the Peter Principle at work. There are more than a few good coordinators in the league that got a head job when they were "hot", failed and were sent back to the coordinator ranks. The Rooney rule was put in because guys like Norv keep getting head coaching chances after they've failed elsewhere.

Of course, every now and then you get a Wade Phillips who inherits a sweet situation, and manages not to screw it up. This only encourages owners to hire guys like Norv again. But look at the relative state of the Cowboys and Steelers from the end of last season, I think you have quite a case for Mike Tomlin doing the more impressive work (although it's very, very early yet).




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