I agree Eddie deserves this belt. On the other hand I dont want to see Benoit as champ. Eddie is a great actor and has a great character and is MAJOR over. Benoit lacks a character and is not really all that over IMO.
The only problem I see on Smackdown is who can Eddie feud with besides Angle and Lesnar? Theres not many major heels.
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Originally posted by T.i.O a B.m.FI agree Eddie deserves this belt. On the other hand I dont want to see Benoit as champ. Eddie is a great actor and has a great character and is MAJOR over. Benoit lacks a character and is not really all that over IMO.
The only problem I see on Smackdown is who can Eddie feud with besides Angle and Lesnar? Theres not many major heels.
Since I don't think Eddie is really destined to have a Honky Tonk Man-like run with the title, does he really need that many challengers? He can go back and forth with Angle for a while before he drops out of the title picture entirely to make room for Cena.
What was the deal with getting people into the building??? Did they not get the doors open in time or what?
I was wondering if Vince called an audible to send the bimbos out first thing & then run a taped piece, to give people another 5 minutes to get seated. (Torrie's outfit looked terrible.)
Shaniqua got to do more than just get sat on by Rikishi -- including clotheslining Scotty in mid-Worm-setup! Yea!
Eddie's face on the commemorative chair. Here's the empty chair just waiting for Goldberg. Don't make me type what ran through my mind.
Nidia was very funny with Jamie, & she took several very nice bumps. But when did the boob job get that out of control?
I love Tazz. Just all sorts of things, all over the place.
Shelton & Charlie working very, very hard made that watchable. Shelton does his nonchalant "No, not me, I wasn't doing anything." after he cheats -- I like those little details.
Goldberg advertising his movie Santa's Slay (411mania.com). I suppose that's OK with Vince so long as Vince gets a cut of the action. (If not, I bet he's pissed.)
Heyman out to address Goldberg was excellent. Then Brock taunting GB into the ring while Heyman kept telling GB to stay in his seat -- liked it a lot. "Security, security! Help, help!" ROTFL :-)
I also liked the Bob Holly run-in at Brock as soon as they got rid of Goldberg. Tazz: "Brock's not having a good night." Gives a nice "keep it moving" feel to the segment transitions.
Rhyno / Holly was better than I would have expected. It was slow, deliberate pace. But I can generally live with that -- that pace probably works best for Bob, Rhyno can do it well, & it provided a nice pace contrast against the subsequent criuser match. Rhyno was working hard to keep the crowd involved, especially through the submission stuff. I didn't buy the finish one litle bit though.
Chavito / Rey was excellent. Several very cool individual spots -- I particularly liked Rey's bridge out & reversal, & Chavo spinning Rey over & around his leg -- & very good flow & progression.
I thought the subtlety of Chavito being annoyed with dad for getting knocked out was intriguing.
I'm a little skeptical about some of the Tale of the Tape stats. Kurt is 6'1", 220#, & Cena is 6'2", 240# ??
Kurt / Show / Cena was also very good. The very beginning with Cena laughing at Show/Kurt, then Kurt laughing at Cena/Show, then ... nice. Good stuff throughout. It looked like Cena did actually drop Show awkwardly down his (Cena's) bad knee; I don't care how good the knee brace is, 500 lbs is pushing it.
Eddie / Brock was excellent. What everybody else has already said. I loved "Die, Eddie -- just die." Wonderful storytelling. Tazz: "Oh, great. Goldberg just ruined everything." Eddie crowd surfing into the first couple of rows & the security guys having to fish him back out. It was a nice, nice win. Happy, happy.
In fact I did end up liking that they inserted Goldberg in there. Now Brock can immediately refocus onto him, leaving Eddie free to set up for Kurt. That should be good. (Just stay healthy!!!)
Originally posted by headlockSo, go ahead and push your Randy Ortons and your A-Trains, and, on occassion your Shane McMahons....because, on Jan. 15, 2004 at about 10:35 eastern time, I laid my eyes on Eddie Guerrerro, WWE champion.
So you were looking into a crystal ball?
my bad...thanks,dude ..I have edited it, the correct date being of course Feb. 15..no, I do not own a crystal ball, or I'd have a faster car, and a much faster woman. (I also spelled Guerrero wrong..shame on me...many sorrys as I never meant any disrespect to the new WWE champion..right now!)
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Quite a good PPV each match was ever average to excellent and the comedy matches made me laugh did everything the PPV should have done and set up WM 20 perfectly.
Really liked the CW match, nice counters The APA vs WGTT match as the two styles were really different and i enjoyed it. and teh triple threat comedy at start. (Big Show is great) then straight into serious street. Kurt vs Eddie (Oh by the way it is going to be Kurt who hit Eddie with that chair before the Smackdown royale match. Which means the reformation of Team Angle hopefully)
and of course the Championship match
Really dug the submission style that both men used.
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As far as contenders for the title, I really think Chavo's going to get a main-event program post-Mania. When you get down to it, Eddie and Chavo are just Bret and Owen again, so let them be Bret and Owen. People will say that Chavo's not a main-event player, but Owen wasn't either until his feud with Bret, and he wasn't really main-event after that either. But the added element of the family connection lets people believe that he has a real reason for challenging for the title.
First, let me say, that I've always enjoyed the Smackdown PPVs, so I was swinging towards enjoying this one anyway.
I too wondered what was up with HEAT starting and no one in the building. Usually the place will be 1/3 to 1/2 full by that time, but in this case you could clearly see behind Tazz and Cole that there were only a handful of people in the building by that point. Feel sorry for anyone that may have missed something because they were still waiting to get in.
I liked Goldberg's entrance into the building and his little mix-up with Brock early in the show. I wish they would have left it at that. Brock gets a bit of a beatdown by Goldberg, insists later that he wasn't quite 100% for the main event and blames it all on Goldberg. Fine, cool. Works well.
Having Goldberg, who according to Heyman was to be locked up in jail for the night and who was handcuffed and led away, somehow snap through the handcuffs, bend the bars of the jailcell, manage to avoid the police, get around security, and still beatdown on Brock some more during the main event was . . . well, it was anticlimatic. It wasn't needed and it gave me a sick feeling that they were going to give Eddie the pin right there as a way to say, "Oh, Eddied couldn't win it on his own, he needed help from the big, bad Goldberg."
Fortunately, the match went on, so Goldberg's appearance during the match meant little (which, in a way, makes it even more anticlimatic, as it really did not affect the outcome of the match at all).
Eddie's leap into the crowd was worth the price of the PPV alone. 'Nuff said.
I have to say that I enjoyed the tag-team match just for the sadistic pleasure of seeing twenty minutes of the show eaten up by wrestlers that a lot of people seem to not like. If it does mean that Linda Miles is going away for a while, as the rumor-mill goes, I like the match even more. Two good, seasoned wrestlers there with the Bashams, being completely regulated to being Miles' stooges. If you have to let someone go, let it be her and give these guys a chance to do their job properly.
Everything has really been covered by everyone here, so I'll just end by saying that I thought it was a solid PPV, with an outstanding capper.
I have been reading the board for a long time but never felt the need to add my two cents till now.
Just a couple of observations about NWO
1) Does it seem like to anyone else that tazz is planting 'heel seeds' for himself. I really hope that he doesn't turn into a heel as (as has been discussed) he is the best commentator in the WWE.
2) If this is me just being dumb, please point out my ignorance but if the Undertaker is returning for the first time at WM then how can they book him in a match?
3) Guerrero's celebration reminded me of past great moments like when HBK won the title and was basically crying in the ring. Every time i think (as every WWE fan does) why the hell am i watching this, moments like these remind us.
4) Nidia's breasts just look like a 13 year old's cartoon girlfriends. Why cheapen a good performer and turn her into eye candy, we've already got women who do nothing but flash a bit of cleaveage as WWE celebrities (i'd rather die than call them 'superstars')
5) Well done Heyman, now that was a promo although at times he did sound like Screech of Saved by the Bell!
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It's great to see Eddy with the belt. Finally, they are trying with someone new.
The big question is, though, is since he won the belt with a month to go before WrestleMania, will they let him keep it?
Being in the WWE Title Match at WrestleMania is still a big deal, whether he wins or loses, so it's still great to see him joining the ranks of Hulk Hogan and Steve Austin as WWE Champion. Too bad the belt doesn't mean as much as it used to.
Originally posted by devineman2) If this is me just being dumb, please point out my ignorance but if the Undertaker is returning for the first time at WM then how can they book him in a match
All they need is for either Undertaker to issue a challenge by proxy, or Kane to get sick of the stunts and call out Taker (which Taker would respond to by proxy). The proxy could be in the form of Austin saying Undertaker will be back and he books Kane v. Taker, or during one of those Ring-like graphics on the Titantron something could be written about challenging Kane, etc.
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Originally posted by SKLOKAZOIDBeing in the WWE Title Match at WrestleMania is still a big deal, whether he wins or loses, so it's still great to see him joining the ranks of Hulk Hogan and Steve Austin as WWE Champion. Too bad the belt doesn't mean as much as it used to.
I don't know about that. The WWE belt hasn't had this much prestige in several years. The only distinction between the good old days of title worship and now is how the roster is split up, and it's questionable as to whether Guerrero would have a world title without the brand split. But the fact remains is that he does, and the lack of title changes these past two years make the title actually mean something. Any way you look at it, Guerrero joins only Lesnar and Angle as WWE champions since December of '02. That's impressive.
pretty formulaic but passable stuff from APA and WGTT.
I can't speak for anyone else, but Heyman's little tirade sold goldberg/lesnar more than anything else.
hardcore/rhyno was better than I expected, but still mostly a timekiller. why couldn't they have tossed the Heat match here?
Cruiser match really picked it up. Chavo borrowed some of Malenko's notes apparently. ending was kind of disjointed, I would have preferred Rey getting hit in the ribs or something instead of the usual hotshot.
The 3-way matches are getting played out but this was still fun...especially the trashtalking between Kurt and John when they tried to take on Show while the other stayed in the corner. that ending knee arrangement anklehold was the most fluid kurt's been in a while.
And to cap it off, yet another great main event match and it wasn't all Eddie either.
Sami wins the title (with some sort of involvement from Kevin Owens, though they may want to keep those two apart for now). Charlotte retains, but I'm quickly becoming a Sasha Banks mark. Lucha Dragons retain. Adventure Time with Finn and Hideo win.