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Alright, I know this list is gonna cause a lot of people to argue over what it means to be a "new star", but consider this: There are plenty of people, in my opinion, that the WWE has built up in the past year or two. Before the arguments come rushing in that these people just get squashed by HHH and aren't even close to being stars, remember that I'm not judging the following based on how many world titles they've won - just strictly on the fact that they're on the main shows and aren't jobbers (ala Stevie Richards, Shannon Moore, etc.)

Consider the following:

John Cena
Matt Hardy
Christian
A-Train
Chavo Guerrero
Team Angle
Edge
FBI
Rey Mysterio
Rhyno
Sean O'Haire
Spanky
Tajiri
Randy Orton
La Resistance
Chris Nowinski
Lance Storm
The Hurricane

While we've heard of a lot of these names before the last two years, it's a strong point to be made that everybody on this list (and even more not listed) is taken a lot more seriously and have a much better chance of future success than they did two years ago.

As mentioned in the thread about parallels (sorry, I suck with links), Vince keeps going back to the shit that USED to work, which keeps bringing Hogan around, and keeps HHH on top. However, these guys are impossible to be on top FOREVER, and when they do step down, regardless of how hopeless it seems, I see a lot of future stars right next in line. Sure, HHH is long overdue to lose and get out, no doubt, but I think it's good to look at what we have waiting behind him. The WWE has certainly built up plenty of new stars, and just because they haven't held the world title, doesn't mean they don't have a bright future.

Things will look up eventually...

Edit: Spelling

(edited by FurryHippie on 26.6.03 1527)
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#2 Posted on
Cynical Overload: By the time they get their shot, they'll be damaged goods and won't draw. Kinda like Booker T in WCW or Chris Jericho in WWE.
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#3 Posted on
I have a strong feeling this thread will quickly degenerate into every wiener picking one or two from your list and giving their reasons why you made a mistake adding them.

I'm just wondering if it'll be Matt Hardy or Randy Orton that gets the most posts...


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Yet consider the facts..I mean we are currently living in a day where we talk about these issues everyday. Ten years ago the changing of the guard was pretty lame by todays standards. The world title went from Flair, Hart, Yoko, Hogan, Yoko(RIP), Hart, Backland, Diesel, Hart, Micheals. That is a range of late 92 to earily 96. As you can see at the time the main guy in the mix was Bret Hart. Bret was a respectable champion even as a heel in his last reign, which isn't mentioned in this post. Now, I'm going to compair that to 2002. First off we had the split...I'm going to compare it to the undisupited title. November 2001: Jericho, HHH, Hogan, Taker, Rock, Brock. First off HHH and Rock were in the mix. They had on again off again feuds since 97-98. Yet in the 10 month of having an undisputed World Wrestling Federation/Entertainment champion we had 6 champions. Over a 4 year span we had 10 champions with the longest one being a year. Was it all talked about on the net? No, it wasn't around then except for government use and data transfers. Plus the business was still semi-protected. Now we have everbody and there brother's mother being a smark , including me eventhough I have had one match. I guess you could say it was my debut and retirement match all at the same time. Anyways my point is that the chaning of the "gaurd" might be an ugly one other than Rock/Brock. I mean if he isn't around for the next 5 or 10 years then the WWE waisted some good money. Anyways, that's my take on it. It needs to be less show and more product. Most of the guys mentioned I know of and beileve they could carry the ball in releative terms...yet time will only tell on who will be the appointed. At least HHH is doing something that hasn't been done in a while, stroke or no stoke...actually hold on to the strap. Already seems like Michaels vs. HHH was ages ago.



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#5 Posted on
Here comes the first nitpicking...

...Nowinski? Not a jobber? His won/loss record would beg otherwise. And he's not even a regular on Raw.

Hurricane hasn't been a regular on Raw lately, either, and when he is on the big show, he's been jobbing.

It'll be interesting to see how they handle the FBI, but ever since Taker's return, Marky-Mark has turned them into jobbers.

Sure, Christian is the IC Champ, but it'd be nice if he won a match or 2. IIRC, the tag match this past Raw was his 1st victory since he won the belt.



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I see your point and agree with to a well a point. Yes, it did take awhile for the WWF to give belts to other guys which is why the lost money during those eras. They have a ton of great young talent. One of the reasons I am not going cold turkey on the product is become of them. I am here to see them shinny.
Yet, It wasn't until they had a hot fued like HBK/Hart did they start turning things around. The publicity of Vince screwing Bret was huge and a turning point. It meant that if WCW wanted war, then by God we damage anyone who is leaving, but good. Plus, they had Austin who came out with a ton of heat thanks to WM 13 and KOTR in the wings. Plus, they had Rock, HHH, Mick, Taker and Owen. It seemed like a young locker room compared to WCW, thats why Degeneration X made a huge impact cause by that time the NWO looked really old and WCW was on the verge of compusting.

They also took chances. Sure, in hindsight Austin was a huge hit, but he also a huge gamble. Imagine if the bookers today had McMahon/Austin, shudder. They took risks, because they have nothing to lose. Vince decided to let the talent both wrestlers and writers go out there and tear it up. Now, they are holding pattern.

Every since WCW went belly or since Invasion went south, there is a sense of doing things slowly. In 2002, there were a lot of title changes should have been more ie Jeff Hardy and RVD, but I digress. If you look at 2003, there has only been one title change, Kurt to Brock. This is even with a split roster which should mean more titles change hands. Even 2002, had four changes and five champions and that was with one belt. If you want to make new stars even give something back to guys who have been there awhile like Benoit,Eddie or even Kane now would be the time. HHH maybe a great heel champion for his long reign with the title, but to make good business you have to take some risks. Granted, the risks they took with the GMS, Necrophilla and other ideas have been huge bombs, it doesn't mean you stop. They don't need to take risk with the storylines, they need to take risks with the champions. I think that is the lesson they forgot during the Attitude era.

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#7 Posted on
And don't forget that one of the World Champions (and the one with the "real" belt, if I remember my HHH-is-the-devil theories correctly) is pretty much a rookie, and one who's been built up so strongly that you *forgot him* in your list.

(AND he defended that title against *another* rookie on *PPV* just three months ago!)



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#8 Posted on
Here is the real problem: As long as the company is focused around 'As The McMahon's Turn', the young talent will always be viewed as secondary. Take SD as an example: Lesnar has been champ since Mania. What has the show been (primarily) focused on since Mania: Vince's crusade against Hogan.
As for RAW, the past six months Trip has faced former WCW stars in each 'main event' (Steiner twice, Booker, the 6 man where he faced Booker, Nash, and Michaels, and Nash twice). Thus, 5 of the 6 matches involved a broken down/borderline crippled WCW failure.



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#9 Posted on
I'll keep this pithy. "However, these guys are impossible to be on top FOREVER, and when they do step down, regardless of how hopeless it seems, I see a lot of future stars right next in line." You know, I was thinking the same thing about 5 years ago - with guys like Jericho and Booker T on the rise, Hogan, Nash, & co. can't be on top FOREVER. And when the older guys retire, the younger stars will be next in line...
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I agree that they HAVE been creating new stars, but the problem is that they're not being pushed into great slots right away. But consider this:

- Shawn Michaels joined the WWF in 1989. His first singles push didn't come till '93, and he wasn't considered a main event guy till about two years after THAT.
- Triple H joined in 95 and his first big push didn't come till after he won KOR in 97. And he first won the WWF title in 99.
- Kurt Angle worked dark matches, for what, almost a year, before he even made television.
- The ultimate example? Bret Hart joined the WWF in 1985 but wasn't pushed as a singles star till mid-1991.

My point is that aside from maybe Brock Lesnar, who was pushed from the moment he arrived, none of them will get the mega-push after only six months of being around. Are guys like Christian, Hardy, Chavo, etc. overdue for a chance to be treated like `big names'? Yeah, probably. As for the Randy Orton's of the world... if history shows anything, he's got time....



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#11 Posted on
I getting really tired of this argument...

Hogan is not "on top". He's wearing a mask and providing comedy matches in the mid-card. Yes, due to his status as a legend in the sport he will occasionally be moved into programs in the main event, but his days as a fixture who has the belt forever are over. If you want him off the show completely, good luck, that's never going to happen nor should it. And most people I watch wrestling with like seeing Hogan, they just don't want to see him in long matches.

Nash is not "on top", either. He, like Hogan, will be occasionally, VERY occasionally, moved up the card and into a match in the main event position. A two month run in main events for Nash is not going to run the WWE completely out of business. And on paper, it looks better than Triple H v.s. Hurricane for the title. I'm sorry, I doubt anyone would buy that PPV, unless they built it up VERY..VERY well.

Shawn Michaels works occasional programs but hasn't been in a PPV main event since December. He disappears for weeks at a time without a word and comes back to work short programs.

Scott Steiner is another guy who was brought up for a short run that no one expected to last, and then shuffled away.

Undertaker has Hogan-like runs on top, and is then brought down to the mid-card, a revolving position he FINALLY seems willing to accept.

The only person this claim has any validity against is Triple H because he is the only one who has been on top cosistently. I'm not Trips fan, but unlike everyone else I just mentioned, he doesn't seem out of place in the spot he's in either.

Now if people aren't getting over, it's not automatically Vince or Steph or Hunter's fault. Should Jericho have jobbed to Shawn at 'Mania? No. But he's over because he's talented, and he'll always be over and he's proven that. He jobbed in seven consecutive PPV matches as a babyface in 2000, I think and he was still the #2 baby on the roster. Now on RAW he's the #2 heel.

From furry's original list...only John Cena, Christian, and Edge can cut a decent main-event level promo. And while it shouldn't be the case that you have to talk to get pushed, why would you get a job with a company that has been that way for 20 years and expect that not to be a problem? Why would Chris Benoit not get speech lessons or acting lessons while he was laid up for a YEAR in Edmonton? Why would he come back and not complain when he's on TV saying things like "why don't you look in your own eyes?" Where's the improvement with a guy like Benoit? Sure, he's awesome in the ring. He's been the best wrestler on the planet for about ten years now, but he's obviously missing something and he isn't even looking for it. RVD..."Well I'll just be RVD and that's enough." Uh, okay, that'll get you somewhere. Booker T, another guy who should have won at WM. But he's openly talking about retiring and plain and simple, like Jericho, doesn't need to win to be over.

Now take Triple H. Without the title, Triple H's character is empty. His character is obsessed with the title. That's why he has it. Brock is a monster that can't be beaten. The guys on top right now are guys whose characters NEED to be on top. All the net darlings are characters that don't need the title to be content or over; or they're so shallow that they don't even have what could be called characters.













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#12 Posted on
I don't know, the whole Hogan/Vince/Gowan/Stephanie program seems to have been dominating the majority of the TV time for months, "midcard matches" or not.

There's a difference between being over and drawing money. Chris Jericho's always going to be over but they pissed away any chance of drawing money with him as a top guy. Same with Benoit, Van Dam, Booker, and even Kurt Angle.

The company is in shambles, just look at the past 3 years of financials. With all the time they invest in building up the "old guard" and going back to the same guys on top with less results each time, they coudl have invested it in seriously establishing new guys as credible Main Eventers.

To me the problem they're having developing new stars (as opposed to new faces on TV) is they're change in philosphy. They're trying to make everyone into the next Rock. They have this vision of a WWE superstar and everyone has to be that. They never used to do that because it just doesn't work. They're not presenting the talent in their best light, focusing on their strengths and HIDING their weaknesses.

Vince drew money with Zeus and Ultimate Warrior for christ's sake. He knows how to hide people's weaknesses. Rob Van Dam can't do anything else except the RVD ECW character? Then let him do the RVD ECW character not WWE "cool, dude" dialogue guy. Benoit can't talk? Give him a mouthpiece. Cena's not ready in the ring? Don't put him in 17 minute matches with your still green Champion. Goldberg's one dimensional? Don't expose him!

Even Eric Bischoff, in all his bad decisions, never burned money the way WWE did with Rock versus Goldberg.
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#13 Posted on


    He's wearing a mask and providing comedy matches in the mid-card. Yes, due to his status as a legend in the sport he will occasionally be moved into programs in the main event,

The problem is, despite all that, the Mr. America/Vince/Steph/Gowan angle is the #1 storyline on SD, and has been going strong for the last 2 months or so. It wouldn't be so bad if it took up a segment or 2, but when it gets in the neighborhood of 4/5/6/7 segments, it's ridiculous. Especially when the champ only gets 1 or 2 per show, and has been just biding his time w/ Show for the last few months.



    Why would Chris Benoit not get speech lessons or acting lessons while he was laid up for a YEAR in Edmonton?

Didn't Rhyno do that when he was out? They're sure putting it to good use, aren't they? He was over big before he went out, he was over big when he came back, but since then he's been doing nothing. The point being, even if Benoit did, I doubt they'd be treating him much differently.



    Undertaker has Hogan-like runs on top, and is then brought down to the mid-card, a revolving position he FINALLY seems willing to accept

I'm sure not not having to job or put people over helped him accept the role.



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#14 Posted on

    Originally posted by fuelinjected
    Even Eric Bischoff, in all his bad decisions, never burned money the way WWE did with Rock versus Goldberg.


::spit-take::

Are you crazy?

Kiss, and the Kiss Demon's "special main event matches"?

Master P and the Hootie-Hoo Squad?

Megadeth playing Goldberg's new theme song live?

Basing an entire PPV main event match around a movie where wrestling's REAL, and putting their title belt on David Arquette's waist?

The continued employment of Judy Bagwell?

Damn near the entire mid and top cards making far, far above what they were worth?

The WWE's making some big mistakes, but they're nowhere NEAR the levels that WCW hit. WCW managed to lose eighty million dollars in a single year. As a publicly-traded company, the WWE would be in a lot of trouble if they were at that point.



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#15 Posted on
What I was saying is that when Bischoff put together a "dream match", he drew money with it like Hogan/Piper, Hogan/Savage, Hogan/Warrior, Flair/Hogan, even Hart/Flair, and some others.

The reason? He wasn't very "creative" and didn't overthink or overbook them like WWE did with Rock/Goldberg.

In many other aspects, Bischoff burned a lot of money, but I was talking about the "dream matches".
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#16 Posted on

    Originally posted by fuelinjected
    What I was saying is that when Bischoff put together a "dream match", he drew money with it like Hogan/Piper, Hogan/Savage, Hogan/Warrior, Flair/Hogan, even Hart/Flair, and some others.

    The reason? He wasn't very "creative" and didn't overthink or overbook them like WWE did with Rock/Goldberg.

    In many other aspects, Bischoff burned a lot of money, but I was talking about the "dream matches".



You have a point, but I think that just illustrates the idea that "dream matches" don't make or break a company, in the long run.

I'd like to say that's why the "dream matches" the WWE's put out haven't exactly been earth-shattering lately, but hell... I don't think there're enough mind-altering drugs in the world to get me THERE. (:



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    Now take Triple H. Without the title, Triple H's character is empty. His character is obsessed with the title. That's why he has it.





Wow, your just the master of justification. *IF* I ever have kids, I might one day sit them on my lap to tell them about how things were when I was young. I will be sure to tell them about how much I enjoyed wrestling when I was their age. When they ask 'whatever happened to wrestling', I will reply. "Triple H. Without the title, Triple H's character was empty. His character was obsessed with the title. That's why he had it." That will pretty much sum it up.

Really, I don't mean to be a jackass, but that's just an awful way of reasoning. I'm not going to sit here and spew every cliche about Hunter, for my eyes are getting bad. But even if the guy had the workrate of Benoit and the drawing power of The Rock mixed into one great big package it don't make amends for how this man has destroyed the core of the company. Booker and Jericho will never draw, two years ago I would have thought that could not be the case. But there is no redemption for how those two have been mishandled! Nor is there an excuse.










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#18 Posted on
I still think the major problem with HHH is he's trying to be Honky Tonk Man 2K3, but Honky never made his opponents look like utter weaklings upon squeaking out with his belt. You never saw Honky kick out of Jake Roberts' DDT on 2, get up, Shake Rattle and Roll him and get a 3 count.....he was very consistant in that he'd always need either a guitar or a megaphone bop to get away with his belt intact.

If HHH would just stick to his Flair/Orton interfence and, I dunno, get himself DQed every once in a while, not making it seem like he is God incarnate who doesn't even need the interference at all to crush you but uses it anyway for the hell of it, I wouldn't have half as much of a problem with him.....hell, I'd actually start to like the guy.....



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#19 Posted on
    Originally posted by Nag

      Now take Triple H. Without the title, Triple H's character is empty. His character is obsessed with the title. That's why he has it.


    Wow, your just the master of justification. *IF* I ever have kids, I might one day sit them on my lap to tell them about how things were when I was young. I will be sure to tell them about how much I enjoyed wrestling when I was their age. When they ask 'whatever happened to wrestling', I will reply. "Triple H. Without the title, Triple H's character was empty. His character was obsessed with the title. That's why he had it." That will pretty much sum it up.

    Really, I don't mean to be a jackass, but that's just an awful way of reasoning. I'm not going to sit here and spew every cliche about Hunter, for my eyes are getting bad. But even if the guy had the workrate of Benoit and the drawing power of The Rock mixed into one great big package it don't make amends for how this man has destroyed the core of the company. Booker and Jericho will never draw, two years ago I would have thought that could not be the case. But there is no redemption for how those two have been mishandled! Nor is there an excuse.



You're not being a jackass, you're just taking me out of context here.

And if I gave the wrong impression, I apologize. It's not that I want Triple H to have the belt. I want that title off him ASAP. I'm just trying to point out WHY he does have it, and the reason he has it because he's fixed it so that he MUST have it. He's built a character that is invincible and obsessed with the title. I mean, it's not JUST that he's with Steph, he has a character that loses its effectiveness (in theory) without the belt. I'm just saying this is WHY he has it, and can argue that he has to regain it constantly.

    Originally posted by Spiff

    The problem is, despite all that, the Mr. America/Vince/Steph/Gowan angle is the #1 storyline on SD, and has been going strong for the last 2 months or so. It wouldn't be so bad if it took up a segment or 2, but when it gets in the neighborhood of 4/5/6/7 segments, it's ridiculous. Especially when the champ only gets 1 or 2 per show, and has been just biding his time w/ Show for the last few months.



I think this has much less to do with Hogan than it does with Vince. McMahon, anytime he's on any show, is all over it. Hogan is not one to overexpose himself. Hogan likes to take huge breaks and come back at oppotune times. Even with all Gowan/McMahon/Mr. America interplay, 90% is Vince talking. I just don't think there's any danger of Hogan becoming a consistent main event guy, and after this current angle fizzles out, I think you'll see in a more reserved role.

If Rhyno took some speech lessons, he needs to get a refund. My point is that there's not much you can do with Benoit in a "sportz entertainment" company. In a pure wrestling company, where action is key, he'd be over huge. But WWE is the circus. Benoit could be booked better, but there's no way to book him into a guy to build the company around. I'm not arguing these guys can't be booked better, I'm arguing they should try to improve themselves if they're going to complain. And they don't even seem to be doing that. If they don't care about their pushes, why should we?

And I'm not disputing 'Taker never puts people over. But as long as the guys he's squashing are the FBI I'm fine with it. I don't like it, but at least he's not making a fool out of Benoit and Angle (tho he came close being in the crossface and the ankle lock as a heel and still not tapping).

I think the company can only make you look so bad. But if you look like total crap, you're at least partially responsible. We keep wanting Steph's head on a stake and screaming how bad creative is, but these guys who go out there and are afraid to ask questions have to account for something. No one is faultless...not Booker, not Benoit, not RVD.


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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.59
From a character stand point, I agree HHH needs the belt. From a storyline perspective, there is no way he should have kept it after Wrestlemania. The characters should drive the story, but not completely change it. HHH beating Booker T at Wrestlemania justified everything HHH said about Booker T ie his kind don't deserve the title. Thus, the story is that black people or minorities can never be champions in the WWE, it must always be the blonde, muscle bound white guy. Which shows the stupidiity of Vince and company right now since minorities are now making up their viewing audience more than the traditional white people. Vince, the 80s are dead, its time to get into the new millenium. It also helps HHH causes that he is going to marry Steph in real life and if something does happen to their relationship and he gets depushed, there is a major lawsuit right there.

To be fair about Cena/Brock, they didn't main event when they fought. Plus, they were totally overshadowed by Rock/Goldberg. And Cena was depushed immediatly afterwards in favor of another three months apperantly of Big Show main eventing. And to be fair, everyone has main evented before at least once prior to there fued with HHH minus Stiener which was a huge disaster. One that I think they see with Goldberg if not booked properly. Its not like Hurricane, Maven, Nowenski or even Christian are slated to main event or be in a world title match this year. While Smackdown is going to go with Billy Gun as the US champ while Benoit/Rhyno/Matt do nothing.

This is the problem with the company right now, everyone follows Vince's ideas to the point of stupidity. There is not enough no-men in the company. It might as well be a private company since the board of directors and stockholders seem to have no power in the direction of the company. The line is "Its Vince, baby and he can do what he wants with it." I think not. This company has not been profitable in two years and is continuing to lose money. A shake-up is needed starting with the front office. They need reeveluate what their goals are and find a way to matc with their consumers. Its basic fucking economics. The customer demands something, you give to the them. We don't want to see HHH as champ or Big Show main event, but we do want to see Booker T, Cena, or Benoit as champs and great matchs. Its not that fucking hard.

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