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|  #1 Posted on 12.12.02 1418.32 | This is taken from 1wrestling, so read into it what you will:
http://www.1wrestling.com/news/newsline.asp?news=11744
The basic gist is that no one on RAW is allowed to do a superkick unless they are named Shawn Michaels.
If this is true, it's gonna suck for guys like Lance Storm, but at least it means we won't be seeing Glacier on Monday nights anytime soon.
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|  #2 Posted on 12.12.02 1420.18 | | Who else uses it besides Storm? | HrdCoreJoe
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| #3 Posted on 12.12.02 1429.43 | The Stevie-Kick! The Sugar Smack! Both Steven Richards and our old friend Shane Helms "used" it. I guess that does explain why Stevie is suddenly using the double arm DDT now.
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| #4 Posted on 12.12.02 1431.23 | Storm's been using the Sharpshooter lately anyway(and Stevie Richards has been using the double-arm DDT)...
Someone on another board made this point: Most people on the WWE roster only use the superkick as a transition move, while Shawn uses it as a finisher. So the superkick isn't as "special" if a ton of people are using it as a secondary move.
It's not like WWE is the ONLY place that it's happened, though...I remember reading a story by GCW wrestler "The Irish Luchador" Billy McNeil on his old website. He said that he was finishing with the swanton bomb at the time, but at one indy show, a guy had used a swanton earlier in the card and the opponent kicked out of the pin. So the promoters asked him not to finish with the swanton and make the other guy's move look weaker. So he ended up using the 450 splash for the first time that night. 
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| #5 Posted on 12.12.02 1433.53 |
Originally posted by fuelinjected
Who else uses it besides Storm?
RVD, Trish, Test (Modified), Richards, and I believe Rico.
Test's is different enough, and Trish's has its own name. RVD just happens to kick that high (nobody gets higher). These three won't be affected, I think.
I always thought it was a LAME finisher... only Test makes it look devastating.
It is a good way to set up your opponent for something else, since it gives the illusion of ringing his bell a bit. It'll be too bad if the mid-carders can't use it like that.
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| #6 Posted on 12.12.02 1433.55 | I think, on the Raw roster, Storm and Credible primarily used them as finishers, although I wouldn't call them that since they rarely won with them. Really, since they never won with them, I don't see what the big deal is now. I mean, Storm has the Sharpshooter now, and Credible's probably on his way out, so no harm, no foul.
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| #7 Posted on 12.12.02 1434.17 | I haven't seen Helms do it in a long time. I'm glad Stevie switched to the Double Arm DDT, it's a better finisher.
Now that I think of it, Rikishi uses the superkick on Smackdown a bunch. I bet Justin Credible uses it too but I don't pay too much attention even when I'm watching Heat.
I'm glad no one can do the Superkick now because most people miss it most of the time anyways. | SKLOKAZOID
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| #8 Posted on 12.12.02 1438.11 | I think it's great that they are finally paying respect to the man that invented the Kick to the Head and used it effectively as a finisher. Lance Storm and all of those other guys really owe it back to Shawn so that he can rightfully use it.
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| #9 Posted on 12.12.02 1452.00 | Tajiri uses it, but I guess he's safe because he's on Smackdown.
I like the rule. We had a thread awhile back on how overused the kick is.
Oh yeah...Booker T kicks people, too, even though it's not a "superkick" per se.
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| #10 Posted on 12.12.02 1500.48 |
Originally posted by The Sham
I always thought it was a LAME finisher... only Test makes it look devastating.
It is a good way to set up your opponent for something else, since it gives the illusion of ringing his bell a bit.
Now I'll grant that some wrestlers make it look weak but have you ever actually been kicked in the head like that? If you have, you could fully believe it as a legit finisher from someone with actual kicking ability. I got knocked flat on my ass once when someone failed to pull their kick during martial arts class and I'm sure I could have easily been pinned for a 3 count had that been the point.
And I realize it's supposedly Raw only where the superkick is banned, but how has nobody mentioned Chuck Palumbo's jungle kick? | PowerPB13
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| #11 Posted on 12.12.02 1505.34 |
Originally posted by InVerse
Originally posted by The Sham
I always thought it was a LAME finisher... only Test makes it look devastating.
It is a good way to set up your opponent for something else, since it gives the illusion of ringing his bell a bit.
Now I'll grant that some wrestlers make it look weak but have you ever actually been kicked in the head like that? If you have, you could fully believe it as a legit finisher from someone with actual kicking ability. I got knocked flat on my ass once when someone failed to pull their kick during martial arts class and I'm sure I could have easily been pinned for a 3 count had that been the point.
And I realize it's supposedly Raw only where the superkick is banned, but how has nobody mentioned Chuck Palumbo's jungle kick?
Chuck's actually been trying a few different finishers on Velocity lately, some weird suplex variation and a reverse Boston crab(right out of Kanyon's playbook), but seems to be falling back on the "Jungle Kick" anyway.
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| #12 Posted on 12.12.02 1512.46 |
Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
I think it's great that they are finally paying respect to the man that invented the Kick to the Head and used it effectively as a finisher. Lance Storm and all of those other guys really owe it back to Shawn so that he can rightfully use it.
Chris Adams was using a superkick in the '80s. Since Shawn started his career in Texas, where Adams was a huge star in World Class, I bet Shawn learned the move from Adams. | The Sham
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| #13 Posted on 12.12.02 1513.58 | The Super Kick only seems lame in the context of a wrestling match involving suplexes and chair shots. I'm supposed to believe that getting rammed headfirst into the steel steps is LESS harmful than the Heartbreak Kid planting his foot near my head? Sorry, I'll take the kick any day (you know, if forced to choose).
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| #14 Posted on 12.12.02 1526.56 | I can see why they're doing it - as a previous poster said above, it makes the superkick that much more special when Shawn does use it. I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but it also seems to support a notion of the dreaded "glass ceiling" whereas a move is only allowed to be used by one of the top guys when others could use the superkick as a transition. (You could use the excuse that the person delivering the kick doesn't do it as well as Shawn does, hence any two-counts.) After all, they haven't stopped people from using the frog splash when more than one worker uses it as a finish.
Maybe it'd make more sense if the guy using the superkick wrestles more than once between PPV's, I dunno... *Shrug* At least Jeff Hardy wrestles enough to justify taking the Seanton Bomb away from Sean O'Haire.
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| #15 Posted on 12.12.02 1530.34 | I understand that Stevie's new finisher is the double arm DDT and that's great, Same for Lance and his new finisher, but I wouldn't have them drop it from their arsenal completely. I don't think it's a good finisher anyway.
I'm a huge fan of HBK though and it does take away from his finisher when other guys are using it, but Lance and Hurricane both do it better in my opinion?
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THAT IS AWESOME! | skorpio17
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| #16 Posted on 12.12.02 1533.18 | A superkick is a cool finisher. If you think it looks weak, tell that to Bret Hart who was hit by a Goldberg superkick and hasn't wrestled since.
The superkick explosion began in ECW when everyone was using either that or the DDT. Even Balls Mahony was superkicking.
The only one who could claim the kick as a finisher besides Shawn is Stevie Richards. That's only because he started out as a Shawn Michael's rip-off. | PowerPB13
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| #17 Posted on 12.12.02 1542.03 |
Originally posted by Aldo D 2112
After all, they haven't stopped people from using the frog splash when more than one worker uses it as a finish.
Well, I don't think D-Lo's done the Lo-Down since returning...all of his wins have been with either the Skyhigh or that pickup-spinning-sitout-uranagi-thingie-that-Coachman-had-a-name-for-but-which-I-forget.
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| #18 Posted on 12.12.02 1545.32 |
Originally posted by PowerPB13
a reverse Boston crab
I started to ask what the hell a reverse Boston Crab was but now I'm assuming that involves Chuck facing towards the victim's head instead of away from it? At first, I was imagining someone doing a Boston Crab while his opponent was on their back and I was wondering how in the hell that could even be imaginarily effective. The Boston Crab is an evil, evil move, however. A kid had me in it once and got clotheslined and failed to let go when he fell over backwards. It hurts just thinking about it. Too bad it didn't happen 15 years later, I could have sued the WWE and got millions of dollars. :( | PowerPB13
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| #19 Posted on 12.12.02 1547.44 |
Originally posted by InVerse
Originally posted by PowerPB13
a reverse Boston crab
I started to ask what the hell a reverse Boston Crab was but now I'm assuming that involves Chuck facing towards the victim's head instead of away from it?
Yup, that's it. But more people know the Jungle Kick as his finish so he keeps going back to it(though he hasn't exactly won many matches lately...).
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| #20 Posted on 12.12.02 1559.16 |
Originally posted by PowerPB13
Someone on another board made this point: Most people on the WWE roster only use the superkick as a transition move, while Shawn uses it as a finisher. So the superkick isn't as "special" if a ton of people are using it as a secondary move.
They could do it this way -- it's only as "special" if you spend ten seconds stomping the mat rhythmically to play to the crowd before applying it.
I'm picturing an Al Snow-Mick Foley kind of moment here.
STEVEN RICHARDS: Hey -- I figured out why people keep kicking out of our superkicks!
LANCE STORM: Why?
STEVEN RICHARDS: You're supposed to _stomp_ for a while first to charge it up!
LANCE STORM: (blinks) Charge it up?
STEVEN RICHARDS: Yeah! Watch... (stomp, stomp, stomp, stomp, stomp, stomp, WHAM to the head of J. Random Stagehand)
LANCE STORM: THAT IS AWESOME!
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