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Well, I for one was certainly surprised with how well the PPV came off. Two matches don't save a show, but when you start with the beginning match and actually *build* to the main event, you're doing something right. Let's break it down.

Canucks vs. BookerT/Goldust: This one rocked up until the ropes broke, and thanks to Mr. Jericho, it didn't turn out to be a disaster. HIs moonsault off the top was *sweet*, and hopefully he adds it to his moveset in place of the crappy lionsault. I would have dug a title change, but if it legnthens the feud, I'm all for it.

RVD vs. Flair: Figured this one would be early so Flair could come back for Hunter's match. Not as bad as I thought it'd be. Rob's promo was funny, but more funny peculiar than funny ha-ha. Flair actually working on the leg(clipping, stomping) before the figure four was a nice touch. He hadn't been doing that in his matches with Jericho or others he'd faced as of late. Still pretty decent, even if it was by the numbers for VanDam.

Torrie vs. Dawn Marie: I think I'm in the 1% minority that was actually hoping this one would go a bit longer, if for no other reason than to see Dawn just keep beating the piss out of Torrie. But it's women's wrestling, which is always short.

Noble vs. Tajiri: Pretty cool little match with everyone thinking Tajiri was gonna win after he kicked out of the TigerBomb, but he didn't kick out a second time. Here's hoping the feud continues and we get a rematch.

Kane vs. TripleH: I hate to say it, but this one was pretty boring and plodding *until* the run-ins and ref bumps. Then it just got downright silly. What happened to TripleH truly being the Game? His moveset and character beat everyone, because he could. NOw he's gotta hide behind the belt? It's the same thing that made Jericho look like a pussy. Hopefully TripleH holds the title until Van Dam or Booker takes it from him. Yeah right.

Rey/Edge vs. Benoit/Angle: This match just plain kicked ass. Everything clicked, everyone was where they were supposed to be when they were supposed to be there. After this, Benoit and Angle defend against Los Gurrerros(yes, I know I murdered that), while Edge and Rey split up. Edge goes for Brock's title, and Rey jumps back down to the Cruisers. Not that I want to see Rey "demoted", but if his previous match with Tajiri was any indication, they could steal a whole lot of shows.

Victoria vs. Trish: I still can't believe that this is the same Trish. Those forearms and kicks looked wicked. And Victoria is *definitely* no slouch either. They really beat on each other, and it was almost more physical than TripleH/Kane, which is saying a lot considering they're(duh) men. Here's to Trish and Victoria continuing to beat the hell out of each other.

Brock vs. Taker: There was no big bump, there was no run in. They didn't fight on top of the cage. In a lot of ways, it got back to what HITC was when it was created. Remember the first one? HBK bled like a pig. Taker beat the hell out of him, and Shawn responded with the same. It's about *brutality*. That's what the gimmick is supposed to be. This really surprised me, as I didn't think they could pull it off. But I'm eating crow now. Kudos to Brock(anyone else waiting for him to write "DIE" on his chest with Taker's blood?), and definitely kudos to Taker. This was a brutal braw, with lots of blood. The choking of Paul E was hilarious. And those stair shots to Taker were just wicked. I'm waiting for Angle/Brock as much as the next guy, but he can put on a "punch and kickfest" any time he wants, if it looks like this.

All in all, No Mercy surprised me, kinda like Unforgiven. Brock and Taker surprised me for the second month in a row. Unforgiven was good, but it was just a prelude to the Cell. If shitty storylines lead to these kind of PPVs, I'm all for it.
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Hey Yo...

In MY opinion, ALL matches were better than I expected but the Flair/Van Dam matchup, which was still a good outing for Flair. Van Dam seemed to be moving in slow motion. But still a good match.

I liked all the matches just as much or more than I thought I would. Highlight of my night was the cruiserweight match. It MADE Jamie Noble in my eyes. That guy is the best character/wrestler in the fed, in my eyes. I just LOVE the way he's always working and selling and just being in-character during the whole match. I hope the WWE really gets behind this guy at some point, because I think he could be big.

The last three matches were just awesome. And I liked the Kane/Triple H match for what it was. Just a solid show and I was REALLY glad to have not forgotten about it (I forgot about it Sat. night only to remind a friend to call me and remind me). It had to be the best card from top to bottom I've seen.

My only complaint was the lack of Mattitude, but I'll get that Thursday. Kudos to WWE.



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Thoughts And Ratings:

Booker T/Goldust Vs. Christian/Chris Jericho: A pretty enjoyable opening match, although obviously not a blow-away match. The right guys went over, but I would like to see the faces get a title reign at some point. **3/4.

Torrie Vs. Dawn: Total DUD, albeit a short one. This kind of match calls for some sort of storyline to go with it, so it was pretty stupid to throw it out there and just have 'em wrestle.

RVD Vs. Ric Flair: I thought they'd actually, y'know, DO something with this match, ie. have Flair cheat to win to give both guys something to do for a while. But alas, just more filler. **

Jamie Noble Vs. Tajiri: Now this is what I'm talking about with regards to the cruisers. If they keep putting these short-but-good matches out there, the division will slowly but aurely get over. One question, though: WHo the Hell is left to beat Noble for the title?! ***

Triple H Vs. Kane: Not as storyline intensive as I thought, thankfully. Otherwise just pretty plodding, but nothing actively bad. And the ending didn't cross from "sports-entertainment" to "overbooked", which is good. **1/4

Kurt Angle/Chris Benoit Vs. Edge/Rey Mysterio: ***** What else is there to say?

Trish Vs. Victoria: *. Again, right person went over, but the feud should continue.

Brock Lesnar Vs. The Undertaker: I hope all those crowing about "history repeating itself" and the like a happily choking down their humble pie. A gloriously over-the-top match, with pitch-perfect booking and a good end sequence. ***1/2




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Maybe I'm the only one here....but anybody else think each match seemed to end..abruptly? I don't mean time wise, I just mean that it seemed I was enjoying each match and then...DING DING DING. Uh, that was 3? That's it? I don't know...is it just me??
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#5 Posted on

    Originally posted by DVD
    . Tajiri: Pretty cool little match with everyone thinking Tajiri was gonna win after he kicked out of the TigerBomb, but he didn't kick out a second time. Here's hoping the feud continues and we get a rematch


How can Tajiri kick out of a nonexistent move?

doublearm sitout powerbomb= Tiger Driver, Pearl River Plunge

doublearm release powerbomb- Release Tiger Driver, butterfly powerbomb

sitout powerbomb= Liger Bomb or Riger Bomb.
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.65
From the live standpoint, only RVD-Flair seemed to end too quickly. But that was just my point of view.

The SD tag match seemed to go on FOREVER, and I sure as hell wasn't complaining. :)



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The tag-team match was insanely good, and kudos to everyone, especially for their fast adaptations to Rey's style. Can't be easy to go from preparing for a German to lucha stuff.

Victoria looks good. Trish has vastly improved and desperately needs to get away from Lawler, who killed this match (as usual).

I only got to see the tail end of the BookDust/Canadian match so I can't comment on it.

Torrie/ Dawn DESERVES no comment.

RVD/Flair I also missed, but I don't think I missed much.

The Cruiserweight match was great, Tajiri and Noble did a terrific job.

The two most discussed and analyzed matches going into this PPV were, without a doubt, HHH/Kane and Brock/Undertaker. Both had an element of “mind games” played by the heel, both involved a figure who had been considered by the IWC to be more interested in their own dominance than in the good of the companies’ future or in putting over “new” talent, and both were going to be pivotal in securing the opinions of that same community as to those figures.

So did the “right” people win? In the case of HHH and Kane, the answer is…it depends. It depends on if this is just the beginning of a long feud between the two, or if Kane and the “Vick Murder” angle are dropped and vanish forever. Were people were ready and willing to buy Kane as champ, or did they simply want to see HHH lose the belt to anyone? The match itself was good, and it made Kane look good, but there was too much outside interference for my taste. If Kane and the angle is dropped, then no, the right person didn’t win. If not, then I have no problems with this match as the solid beginning of a long feud.

When it comes to Brock/ Undertaker, the case is less ambiguous. UT was pinned solidly, and the match was sufficiently brutal that I don’t think that even the biggest ‘Taker hater can say that he either no-sold or that he made Brock look weak. It was a match that was very much in character: hard, bloody and exhausting, fitting of the “American Badass.” Brock managed to look both inexperienced and yet adaptive. Heyman’s presence was a factor, but not as big a one as it would and could have been in a regular match, and Brock’s isolation was also a good litmus test of his Paul-less future. For some reason, the image that sticks with me is Brock just hurling those steps away…if the cage had not been there, it would have been carnage. I’d have loved to see a wide shot of those steps flying.

It actually would have made little sense for Undertaker to take the belt if he won, since his motivations for fighting Brock were almost purely personal. If he returns for yet another match, it would lessen the impact of the PPV bloodbath. He put up a good fight, one that neither Hogan or the Rock could have done, but he was finally defeated. He’ll be back again, and welcome (depending), but he should accept his loss and move on to putting over other new stars. His legend is secure, and No Mercy did nothing to lessen it.




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#8 Posted on
A Tiger *BOMB* is a double underhook(or butterfly) powerbomb. That's what Tazz called it, so that's what I'm going by. Tiger Driver is the same move, but you drop your opponent on their *neck*, not in the normal powerbomb position(usually more parallel to the mat). And he only hit it once. The finish came when either Tajiri or Noble rolled the other one up, with Nidia holding a leg down. Still a cool match, and I still want more. Screw the Raw after the PPV, I can't wait for the *Smackdown* after the PPV.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.65
The Tiger Bomb doesn't exist. It's a Stylesism that Tazz picked up on. But it IS a fairly accurate description so it works for me.



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Taken from The Buzz On Professional Wrestling, page 23.

#1 starts a powerbomb, but as he sits down with the move he hooks his legs over #2's arms so that he's in position to pin #2 when they hit the mat. This is a Tiger Bomb.

Before #1 starts the powerbomb, he hooks both of #2's arms, then finishes the move like that. This is a Tiger Driver, although really the name should be "Tiger Bomb" because it's a form of powerbomb. But that name's already taken.





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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.65
And we all know that book is a 100% accurate source for professional wrestling information.

Of course, it's also of note that the old FAQ that used to be on TheSmarks supported the claim that the Tiger Bomb isn't real.

So I'm at a loss. Mr. Kieth reads these boards. Perhaps he can clarify that contradiction for us.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.87
I cited a source because I figured my saying "I know that a Tiger Bomb is..." wouldn't have cut the mustard.

Of course, we jump on the said source because we don't like the source. Despite the fact that through the idiotic pictures, the stupid sidebar comments - the actual CONTENT that was produced by Scott is accurate.

But it's okay, I have another source... I imagine we'll take issue with this one too. Maybe because it's a Geocities site...

http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/turf/7751/wrestmovexp.htm

tiger bomb - sit-down powerbomb, usually held for a pin attempt. Darren Drozdov's current finisher, but also used by Brian Christopher and Marc Mero from time to time.




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#13 Posted on

    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    Thoughts And Ratings:

    Torrie Vs. Dawn: Total DUD, albeit a short one. This kind of match calls for some sort of storyline to go with it, so it was pretty stupid to throw it out there and just have 'em wrestle.



Ummmmm.....have you seen Smackdown the past month? They HAVE an existing storyline. Dawn has been hitting on Torrie's dad the past three weeks just to piss Torrie off, culminating in Torrie finding Horny Mr. Wilson in the shower with Dawn. It might not be a great story, but it definately had one.

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#14 Posted on

    Originally posted by DVD
    A Tiger *BOMB* is a double underhook(or butterfly) powerbomb. That's what Tazz called it, so that's what I'm going by. Tiger Driver is the same move, but you drop your opponent on their *neck*, not in the normal powerbomb position(usually more parallel to the mat). And he only hit it once. The finish came when either Tajiri or Noble rolled the other one up, with Nidia holding a leg down.


Except that Tazz is using the same incorrect reference from guys like Joey Styles and Mike Tenay. They see a sitdown powerbomb which of course ends like a Tiger Driver and also rhymes with Liger Bomb, so they automatically assume it must be a "Tiger Bomb." This is the same as people thinking rolling elbow and roaring elbow are different, but Joey meant "rorring elbow" since l and r are the same sound in Japanese.

It's always been the Tiger Driver. I think I'd find the name used by the guy who first used the move to be accurate. That is Mitsuhara Misawa, who was the 2nd Tiger Mask. The neck/piledriver version is Tiger Driver '91. Tiger Mask IV's release version aka the butterfly powerbomb is still called a Tiger Driver AFAIK.

Driver and Bomb are interchangeable for many moves though.
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Blatantly stolen from the #1 source for wrestling move information on this vast Internet, Rev. Ray Duffy's Big, Big Book Of Wrestling Moves:

Powerbomb, Underhook
Used by : Dean Malenko, Ahmed Johnson, Tiger Mask (Misawa), Scott Steiner
AKA : Tiger Driver, Pearl River Plunge (Johnson)
Description : The attacker bends the victim down and hooks both the victim's arms. The attacker lifts the victim up and releases the victim's arms when the victim's back is parallel to the mat. The attacker either lets the victim fall to the mat or sits down with the vicitm.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.65

    Originally posted by darkdragoon

      Originally posted by DVD
      A Tiger *BOMB* is a double underhook(or butterfly) powerbomb. That's what Tazz called it, so that's what I'm going by. Tiger Driver is the same move, but you drop your opponent on their *neck*, not in the normal powerbomb position(usually more parallel to the mat). And he only hit it once. The finish came when either Tajiri or Noble rolled the other one up, with Nidia holding a leg down.


    Except that Tazz is using the same incorrect reference from guys like Joey Styles and Mike Tenay. They see a sitdown powerbomb which of course ends like a Tiger Driver and also rhymes with Liger Bomb, so they automatically assume it must be a "Tiger Bomb." This is the same as people thinking rolling elbow and roaring elbow are different, but Joey meant "rorring elbow" since l and r are the same sound in Japanese.

    It's always been the Tiger Driver. I think I'd find the name used by the guy who first used the move to be accurate. That is Mitsuhara Misawa, who was the 2nd Tiger Mask. The neck/piledriver version is Tiger Driver '91. Tiger Mask IV's release version aka the butterfly powerbomb is still called a Tiger Driver AFAIK.

    Driver and Bomb are interchangeable for many moves though.



Part of the confusion over the whole issue stems from WWE's (warranted) reluctance to drop people on the vicinity of their necks.



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#17 Posted on

    Originally posted by ManiacalClown

      Part of the confusion over the whole issue stems from WWE's (warranted) reluctance to drop people on the vicinity of their necks.


    Which is as hypocritical as it sounds, since many of the high risk moves are far more dangerous. Heck, even the powerbomb has hurt more people over the years.


    The BBBOWM is decent, but it's far from perfect.
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